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Sensual Simian posted:Watching these Western Clash games, it becomes painfully obvious that there are some heroes which just aren't played at these higher levels. Is it this level of play that Blizzard generally makes hero changes for, or is it more of a 50/50 combination of high tier play and player suggestions? Chogall picked in the korean scene, hilarious game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSHhUhoEl0
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Yeah, I guess that makes sense. There's also some redundancy among certain heroes so it's not necessary for all of them to be perfectly viable for all situations. Really, Im just super disappointed that Im not seeing any Gazlowe/Probius play.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:15
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Sensual Simian posted:Azmodan, Butcher, Murky, Probius, Cho'Gall, Zagara, Kerrigan, Nazeebo, Sgt. Hammer and at least three others are nowhere to be seen...this seems like a not-negligible # of potential heroes that just dont see use. And anyway, a number of these heroes are niche picks. Cho'gall and Kerrigan pop up here and there, usually based on map. Nazeebo occasionally experiences resurgences because he's generally very solid. And Hammer was, in fact, played just today by Team Liquid. And blah blah blah pros are a small fraction of the game blah blah blah.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:17
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Oh poo poo, I havent seen that match yet. Im currently watching Team Expert stomping Gale Force.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:20
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DisgracelandUSA posted:No one could possibly hope to keep 40+ heroes in perfect balance with all strategies balanced and competitive. This is something that happens in every competitive video game. I mean, something like 90+ of the 114 Dota 2 heroes have been picked so far at The International, so.  I would posit it's more just Blizzard being bad at balance.
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Kyrosiris posted:I mean, something like 90+ of the 114 Dota 2 heroes have been picked so far at The International, so. Might this have something to do with the differences of hots and DoTA regarding focus on hero skills vs. items? DOTA heroes fill a more "niche" role than those in hots, which often have a more general skill set with the ultimates and traits defining them.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:29
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You are now looking at the proud owner of the three worst legendaries - Crimson Hare, Shadow Crimson Hare, and Frozen Crimson Hare.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:34
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Sensual Simian posted:Might this have something to do with the differences of hots and DoTA regarding focus on hero skills vs. items? DOTA heroes fill a more "niche" role than those in hots, which often have a more general skill set with the ultimates and traits defining them. That's possible, yeah. I just dislike the accusation that it "can't" be done so Blizzard shouldn't bother, because it very obviously can be.
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Aug 5, 2017 23:45
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Kyrosiris posted:I mean, something like 90+ of the 114 Dota 2 heroes have been picked so far at The International, so. Yeah I had this thought as well.
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Sensual Simian posted:Might this have something to do with the differences of hots and DoTA regarding focus on hero skills vs. items? DOTA heroes fill a more "niche" role than those in hots, which often have a more general skill set with the ultimates and traits defining them. I agree. You can play multiple heroes as support, mid or carry and two different item load outs on the same hero can result in very different playstyles. Blizzard is also bad at balance and #meta, as evidenced with WoW arenas and PvP.
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Aug 6, 2017 00:20
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Dragongem posted:That last match on HGC was a great summary of warhead junction Was it this one? Because lol https://clips.twitch.tv/ResilientRelatedMartenCopyThis Spoiler, obvs
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Aug 6, 2017 02:04
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Sensual Simian posted:Watching these Western Clash games, it becomes painfully obvious that there are some heroes which just aren't played at these higher levels. Is it this level of play that Blizzard generally makes hero changes for, or is it more of a 50/50 combination of high tier play and player suggestions? Some things have changed since then, but the last major tournament was DUELIST META and specialists that weren't Abathur were conspicuously abesnt in general: https://masterleague.net/tournament/42/heroes/#tournament-meta
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Aug 6, 2017 02:41
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Been away from this thread for a while. Always hit or miss when I end up playing lately. How do find people to play with that: -don't play poo poo comps -on comms -don't get too salty (yeah I can get salty) I mean the obvious is get friends, but lets be realistic here.
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Aug 6, 2017 05:27
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Bogart posted:goon discord Hahaha, no. That's what I mean when I say "its been hit or miss", also there is just never anyone on it.
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Goons are in SAGoons caht, but they don't wait long between games to find more goons. You gotta send "Games?" every 2 minutes until you find someone. Folks never get on Discord until they're already in a group.
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bio347 posted:As it turns out, having all heroes be viable is basically impossible. Like, do other MOBAs have all their characters played equally at the pro level? Somehow, I'm doubtful. Not equally, but all dota heroes usually see play during the world championships except maybe 2 or 3 out of 110+. Dota counterpicks are far more punishing than in other mobas however, and the drafting is far more important as a result. Hard countering specific heroes can also help in giving a niche to underpowered / nonmeta characters. Also what other people said with your items changing the way you play. HotS is still faring way better than LoL where you will always pick the same 20-30 top tier heroes Riot wants you to play this patch because there's no reason not to. Eraflure fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Reverend Dr posted:Been away from this thread for a while. Reverend Dr posted:Hahaha, no. I dunno, you already sound kinda lovely to play with.
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oh no why am i installing this game
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MOBA not even once
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welcome captain
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It would be nice to play with regular group that took the game moderately seriously, but as it stands right now Im happy soloing QM with some occasional goon play. That being said, if anyone is interested in getting something a little more serious together, I am interested.
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after my first three vs ai matches i found Lt. Morales to be the one i understood how to actually play the best, but i assume that means i'm doing something horribly wrong
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Very few things are as satisfying as snapping off three kills with an Alarak Charge-Q-E combo. God I love that sarcastic tentacle jackass. 
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Captain Foo posted:after my first three vs ai matches i found Lt. Morales to be the one i understood how to actually play the best, but i assume that means i'm doing something horribly wrong Morales is very straightforward and the only really complex parts of her are knowing when to use safeguard and how to knock enemies into favorable positions with her bomb.
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Dietrich posted:Morales is very straightforward and the only really complex parts of her are knowing when to use safeguard and how to knock enemies into favorable positions with her bomb. What would be the scenarios I'd want to use those skills? I've been finding the clear! talent to be pretty useful.
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Captain Foo posted:What would be the scenarios I'd want to use those skills? I've been finding the clear! talent to be pretty useful. If you have allies close by who can kill enemies, boop enemies closer. If not, save to boop enemies away when poo poo gets dicey
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Never boop enemies because you will get no recognition for the grenades that result in kills while endless mocking and hate for the ones that allow the enemy to survive
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Does anyone have tips for Tassadar? I just bought him on a whim and he seems fun in A.I., but I got slammed in QM. He seems good with Illidan and I paired nicely with an Uther as well.
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Rhadamanthus posted:Does anyone have tips for Tassadar? I just bought him on a whim and he seems fun in A.I., but I got slammed in QM. Stay in the backline, use E to gtfo, use storm on minions AA heroes, use the trait whenever you go into bushes/the jungle and whenever you can't see the enemy on the minimap.
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go racecar archon and pew pew
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Green shield talent (health regen while attacking) works fantastically on AA heroes. His wall skill at level 10 is also perfect for deterring enemy retreats/staggering spacing/disrupting general movement of units. Try and think about Tass as being primarily support and wave clear, not a damage output guy. Do whatever you can to harass the enemy, but more importantly focus on keeping your team alive.
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Did my placing matches for the free gold and ended up gold rank 1 - would that make my next rankup to plat and a mount? If so what are good first picks for hero league, and who do you ban in this meta?
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BrianBoitano posted:If you have allies close by who can kill enemies, boop enemies closer. If not, save to boop enemies away when poo poo gets dicey so using it to kill minions isn't a great use?
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Some heroes have good waveclear - they can kill a wave of minions fairly quickly and easily. Morales is not one of those heroes.
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Captain Foo posted:so using it to kill minions isn't a great use? No, but definitely boop siege giants into your tower range! Rhadamanthus posted:Does anyone have tips for Tassadar? I just bought him on a whim and he seems fun in A.I., but I got slammed in QM. If you're in QM, and you can't pick your comp, Tass can suffer. Either try unranked draft and make sure you have an AA hero, or duo QM with one. /join SAGoons and ask for a butt buddy. In a large map, especially one with split objectives (Warhead Junction, DK, BHB) Tass can be a good lane bully. Wins almost all 1v1s if you kite effectively (i.e. poke them while staying out of their range/dodging their poke) If you do find yourself in a game with no AA shield target, go auto attack build and be your own AA DPS  e: Avalerion posted:Did my placing matches for the free gold and ended up gold rank 1 - would that make my next rankup to plat and a mount? What I like in low Plat: Healers: Uther or Auriel (if you're building a comp for her), BW for Hanamura Tanks: Anub or Dehaka, Arthas is ok Specialists: Xul, Sylv for any except Cursed Hollow , Azmo for Hanamura Assassins: Falstad or Greymane BrianBoitano fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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BrianBoitano posted:No, but definitely boop siege giants into your tower range! Cool. Also been just trying to find an attack hero that I recognize and pocket them and hit W on them when it's up.
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Safeguard is best used right before a heavy spike of damage. If someone gets stunned and is about to be focused, or a big hitting enemy is lining up to do some damage, safeguard. Some characters like Alarak, Jaina, and Kerrigan have specific combos that they're going to try to pound out to do the most damage they can within a second or so - if you can safeguard someone right before or at the beginning of that combo you can turn a pick into a nothingburger.
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Dietrich posted:Safeguard is best used right before a heavy spike of damage. If someone gets stunned and is about to be focused, or a big hitting enemy is lining up to do some damage, safeguard. Some characters like Alarak, Jaina, and Kerrigan have specific combos that they're going to try to pound out to do the most damage they can within a second or so - if you can safeguard someone right before or at the beginning of that combo you can turn a pick into a nothingburger. thanks. I'm definitely at the stage where i barely recognize various characters and/or what they do, so we'll see 
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