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Also I am positive that right now the people who admitted to sending him nudes are getting deluged with angry dudebros calling them whores, so. Not great, albeit not something Nick is in control of or involved with. EDIT: Wait, he actually went 'never talk about this to anyone'? Ugh, major douchechills. That's not really something someone says when they're just trying to flirt.
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:Edit: and no, it loving doesn't require vocal rejection to constitute harrassment, you dingus. Okay, well so far as I recall from EU employment law lectures, it does here (not necessarily vocal, but I never specified that). So to return to the original question, what definition are you using?
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Hey, maybe nick should have just used tinder or something (doesn't he have a long-term girlfriend who works at Crunchyroll?) instead of leveraging his position to harass fans? He was definitely aware of what he was doing, come on guys.
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PetraCore posted:Also I am positive that right now the people who admitted to sending him nudes are getting deluged with angry dudebros calling them whores, so. Not great, albeit not something Nick is in control of or involved with. no man all my flirting involves telling the person I'm flirting with they better never talk about it.
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Just as a reminder the original accusation involved "women in games" not fans on the boundary, the devs who have been harassed by Nick haven't talked about what he's done because of the repercussions of doing that The more explosive the content the less likely it would be shared publicly because of the proportional response it would get from gamergate The majority of what happened is likely only going to be seen by chris grant
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Bryter posted:Okay, well so far as I recall from EU employment law lectures, it does here (not necessarily vocal, but I never specified that). I mean, we could just use the definition of it. quote:harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks.
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love too aggressively and sexually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirting with my professional colleagues and those who look up to me Grapplejack posted:Why wouldn't he just try to gently caress people on tindr or bumble or whatever the hot gently caress app is this week nick hormy
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atomicthumbs posted:love too aggressively and sexually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirting with my professional colleagues and those who look up to me hey baby wanna suck my dick also never tell anyone I asked you this I'm a normal person
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Bryter posted:Okay, well so far as I recall from EU employment law lectures, it does here (not necessarily vocal, but I never specified that). why are you so invested in defending this creepo
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Bryter posted:Okay, well so far as I recall from EU employment law lectures, it does here (not necessarily vocal, but I never specified that). http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32006L0054&from=EN ‘sexual harassment’: where any form of unwanted verbal, non-verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature occurs, with the purpose or effect of violating the dignity of a person, in particular when creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment; gently caress off ya dingus
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How many of you would buy "I'm With Nick" shirts if I put them on Red Bubble?
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in the EU we actually call it The Portuguese Hello and until a woman actually says 'hey get your finger out of there' it's legal
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mormonpartyboat posted:http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32006L0054&from=EN "well I, for one, would be flattered if someone wanted to see me nude. Furthermore,"
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Yeah you definitely don't have to tell your coworker, "this is bad, stop this," for it to be harassment. Part of the reason harassment is a huge problem is the fact that often the harasser has employment leverage over their target that makes it hard or impossible for the target to tell them to gently caress off without fear of hurting their career.
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Like the archetypal harassment situation is your boss doing unwanted touches/cheek kisses/telling you how hot you are/engaging you in sexual conversations and you can't tell him to stuff his creeper rear end because you know if you do he might pass you over for a promotion or just straight out fire you.
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sexpig by night posted:in the EU we actually call it The Portuguese Hello and until a woman actually says 'hey get your finger out of there' it's legal I thought you were just making a jape but http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Portuguese%20handshake 
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yea in the EU whoever does that to Angela Merkel first is the new head of the union, that's why Trump was so eager to go the G20 it's a very enlightened place where our puritan standards for 'sexual harassment' are rightly alien.
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People defend this kind of behavior because they think of themselves as a nice/soft/good boy and would do something like this so it doesn't square with their idea of what a cartoon rape villain looks like.
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Stuff like the "Send Nudes" joke image are the kind of thing you only share with someone if you have the kind of rapport where you know they'll enjoy the joke. But sending it in that flirty "do I mean it or don't I?" way with someone who's not necessarily on board and who you're supposed to be professional with? That's when it becomes bad. Flirting with someone you have a real mutual connection with (and who is RECEPTIVE to it) is fine. Using your professional clout to form a whole network of women to flirt with and sexually solicit, all of whom feel pressured to maintain a good relationship with the outlet you represent? That's when it becomes bad. I know sometimes context is difficult, but certain actions can be okay or bad depending on when and how you do them.
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I think the send nudes image wasn't a colleague or person in the industry, but a fan. I don't want to say one is worse than the other, but trying to take advantage of fans seems particularly low.
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yea like me and my friends make 'send nudes' jokes a bunch but that's because we all know none of us actually expect nudes. That's the joke, you tell someone 'send nudes' after they ask for a ride to work and then you, you know, you go pick them up because you're not actually a weirdo expecting dick. If you send that to a stranger, and even worse a stranger you have some degree of clout with, it goes from 'haha yea ok' to 'wait does he actually want that'. Then, ya know, the countless texts before and after it ALSO saying "YO I WANT THAT rear end" probably help paint a picture too. It's entirely different than loving around with your friends.
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Bryter posted:Remind me, did I say that it was "on the up and up" or did I say it doesn't sound like sexual harassment? Was joking a bit, but good lord, this is so very much harrassment. Any guy in his mid 20s should know better than trying to wear down someone a lot younger than him into sex. The fact that he told her to keep it secret shows he knew it was lovely and would gently caress up his life if it got out.
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I think basically everyone here knows that what Nick has been doing is bad, and are mostly just discussing whether he is a redeemable person or Video Games Bill Cosby
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Someone in the coolgamesinc reddit pointed out that Nick is simply losing a game of Social Permadeath.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:I think basically everyone here knows that what Nick has been doing is bad, and are mostly just discussing whether he is a redeemable person or Video Games Bill Cosby but is literally anyone calling him Video Games Bill Cosby? Like, even one of the women who first brought this up said she doesn't expect him to be fired or whatever. There seems to be people going 'man that sucks, gently caress that poo poo' and 'this kinda makes me uncomfortable with him knowing he acts like this apparently' and then people going "WELL NOW HOLD UP STOP SAYING HE'S BASICALLY THE POLANSKI OF POLYGON, A POLYGONASNKI IF YOU WILL"
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Propaganda Hour posted:Someone in the coolgamesinc reddit pointed out that Nick is simply losing a game of Social Permadeath. he shoulda cooked for cube
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I don't want the dude drawn and quartered but if he's been using his position to sexually harass people then he really should not have that position anymore
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sexpig by night posted:but is literally anyone calling him Video Games Bill Cosby? Like, even one of the women who first brought this up said she doesn't expect him to be fired or whatever. There seems to be people going 'man that sucks, gently caress that poo poo' and 'this kinda makes me uncomfortable with him knowing he acts like this apparently' and then people going "WELL NOW HOLD UP STOP SAYING HE'S BASICALLY THE POLANSKI OF POLYGON, A POLYGONASNKI IF YOU WILL" Read twitter, there's a ton of people essentially labeling him a sexual predator and that wont ever go away for the guy now.
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Propaganda Hour posted:Someone in the coolgamesinc reddit pointed out that Nick is simply losing a game of Social Permadeath. I'm cracking up this is so god drat on point and it's too much
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Just Chamber posted:Read twitter, there's a ton of people essentially labeling him a sexual predator and that wont ever go away for the guy now. but call-out culture is good
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Just Chamber posted:Read twitter, there's a ton of people essentially labeling him a sexual predator and that wont ever go away for the guy now. I mean. People who routinely sexually harass others are sexual predators. If Nick stops sexually harassing people he will metamorphose into a former sexual predator, which is better. This is not hard to understand?
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Just Chamber posted:Read twitter, there's a ton of people essentially labeling him a sexual predator and that wont ever go away for the guy now. I mean, this is predatory behavior considering so far the logs we have are from fans of his, and then the implication of this happening to game devs who, you know, may see Polygon as a really important relationship to maintain? Like, he's low on the ladder but...sorry that Nick actually did do sexually predatory things?
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Just Chamber posted:Read twitter, there's a ton of people essentially labeling him a sexual predator and that wont ever go away for the guy now. im sorry nick but u have to become a republican now
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Like looking at this and calling Nick a rapist is going waaaay too far, but yes, he's a predator?
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mormonpartyboat posted:http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32006L0054&from=EN https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=dkkKKvocLCgC&q=sexual+harassment#v=snippet&q=sexual%20harassment%20persisted&f=false
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people keep calling my friend a pyromaniac but it's not like he burned down an orphanage just several dozen shacks!
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Bryter posted:https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=dkkKKvocLCgC&q=sexual+harassment#v=snippet&q=sexual%20harassment%20persisted&f=false Yeah and rape laws used to say only vaginal penetration with a penis or phallic object counted. It turns out the legal standard is stricter than the professional or moral standard, because things can be not crimes and still be bad. Hope this helps! EDIT: Also this isn't in the EU, lmao
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sexpig by night posted:but is literally anyone calling him Video Games Bill Cosby? Like, even one of the women who first brought this up said she doesn't expect him to be fired or whatever. There seems to be people going 'man that sucks, gently caress that poo poo' and 'this kinda makes me uncomfortable with him knowing he acts like this apparently' and then people going "WELL NOW HOLD UP STOP SAYING HE'S BASICALLY THE POLANSKI OF POLYGON, A POLYGONASNKI IF YOU WILL" I haven't seen anyone use the literal phrase Video Games Bill Cosby. People have been discussing the severity of Nick's wrongdoing and I used a figure of speech to denote the furthest point on the Sexual Predator Spectrum
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Just Chamber posted:Read twitter, there's a ton of people essentially labeling him a sexual predator and that wont ever go away for the guy now. mods please change my name to sexual predator semantics
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