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I could see Toyota USA paying for a DPi program independently, they had the Lexus Grand-Am program for a good number of years that they funded. BMW was involved back then as well, they could be a potential, but they seem to be re-doubling down in GTLM next year.
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Schlesische posted:I still love the story about the Dauer 962s. One of the things that got me hooked on cars properly in the early 1990s supercar boom were all the 962 road car conversions.
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iospace posted:Let's see... Mercedes, BMW and Audi are all joining Formula E, BMW is redoing a GTLM car and Mercedes already spends far, far more than what the other two do just by virtue of F1. I could see VAG doing it, but if VAG goes into DPi the year after they pull the plug on LMP1 the ACO is going to flip the table and make VAG persona non grata at Le Mans. They pulled it on BMW after BMW pulled out before homologating the car they ran at Le Mans for two or three years and they did it to Mazda after Mazda humiliated them by winning in a 787B despite major rule changes (although Mazda prolly wasn't sticking around in any event). I could imagine it'd be harder for Porsche to find spots to advertise it's latest "I can't believe they're calling this a" 911 among other minor things that will undoubtedly come across as petty and small minded.
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Remember, DPi rules allow you to use an existing and homologated GT3 engine. So take a look at manufacturers with a GT3 engine and without any other factory effort (GT or prototype)... There were rumors last year of Mercedes-AMG, and also of Bentley. I'd say it's one of those two or Lamborghini.
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I think Lamborghini have denied they have any DPi aspirations.
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I still think Audi is a credible possibility. Audi Sport bigwigs have been floating around several paddocks this year and they've openly expressed interest. The thought was that they'd team up with Joest again, but even without their organization, they still have a lot of pieces already in place to launch a program. They still have their relationship with Dallara for the chassis, several successful customer teams from endurance racing the R8, and a GT3-spec V10 ready to go. It wouldn't take much to get it off the ground.
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I don't think Lamborghini have ever done prototypes before and for some reason I don't see them as being their style
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Motorsport in general isn't Lambo's style.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Motorsport in general isn't Lambo's style. Old man Lamborghini was always deeply suspicious of motorsport.
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He considered it a total waste of money which isn't really a dumb idea.
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I think the only reason the Hurrican is racing is because VAG got the Audi R8 homologated, and given they share the same drivetrain in the road version, it wasn't probably too hard to get that qualified for GT3, too.
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Yeah, and there have been weird non-factory backed Lambos racing in GT too. I always like it when someone decides to race a brand that doesn't do motorsport at all in a silhouette or touring car series, like back when STCC had some dude entering SAABs in it despite SAAB basically never ever doing motorsport in their entire history.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Motorsport in general isn't Lambo's style. Wasn't the rumor that they were doing Prototypes in WEC? That and I guess the whole IndyCar deal, but they got scared off because they were afraid of going full Alfa Romeo/Lotus there. At least the PWC cars are a beautiful thing...
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They made engines for F1 in the late 80s so there is some precedent
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julian assflange posted:They made engines for F1 in the late 80s so there is some precedent Aguri Suzuki apparently got a podium with that engine in Japan in 1990. They're beautiful cars. I keep having the weirdest luck running into them in the northeast ohio area. The Huracán is almost an artist masterpiece.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:He considered it a total waste of money which isn't really a dumb idea. Probably true, but as somebody who'll never be able to afford a Lamborghini, I'm always deeply suspicious of supercar manufacturers that don't have any racing heritage.
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julian assflange posted:I don't think Lamborghini have ever done prototypes before and for some reason I don't see them as being their style They had a Group C car called the "Countach QVX" or something like that but it never amounted to much. [edit] Apparently that was made by an importer rather than the actual factory. BDA fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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julian assflange posted:They made engines for F1 in the late 80s so there is some precedent That was basically a Chrysler effort IIRC
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Speaking of FCA, Alfa Romeo would be a great addition to DPi and it would help the attempted revival of the brand in the US. Adapt the Ferrari 488 GT3's turbo eight cylinder into a turbo six, so you can evoke the roadgoing Giulia Quadrifoglio, and then wrap it in gorgeous Alfaesque bodywork. But they'd have to build the team and organization from scratch, more or less, which is WAY more effort than FCA seems willing to put into non-Ferrari racing these days.
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e IM DUMB e2: I like that even when the ligiers are kicking everyones rear end, we still get this http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/142955-taylor-shatters-road-america-qualifying-record the Taylors are on a hell of a roll Cygni fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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LMAO at this point they need special BOP just for WTR.
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julian assflange posted:They made engines for F1 in the late 80s so there is some precedent http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/695/lambo-291
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an oddly awful oud posted:I still think Audi is a credible possibility. Audi Sport bigwigs have been floating around several paddocks this year and they've openly expressed interest. The thought was that they'd team up with Joest again, but even without their organization, they still have a lot of pieces already in place to launch a program. They still have their relationship with Dallara for the chassis, several successful customer teams from endurance racing the R8, and a GT3-spec V10 ready to go. It wouldn't take much to get it off the ground. I dunno. I was hanging out with them at Formula E and Lime Rock over the last few weeks and that's not the impression I got.
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If Audi was planning a DPi program I doubt Joest would've gone in with Mazda.
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drgitlin posted:I dunno. I was hanging out with them at Formula E and Lime Rock over the last few weeks and that's not the impression I got. I'm not surprised by this, hence suggesting Lamborghini or Bentley as the VAG teams more interested. The word when DPi was getting started was that Bentley wanted to be in something where they could get overall wins, but also not as expensive. Would be cool to see them in DPi with that thundering V8.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:That was basically a Chrysler effort IIRC Yeah. Also there was a weird Lamborghini prototype in the mid-80s and I think the Diablo made appearances in GT1.
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an oddly awful oud posted:Speaking of FCA, Alfa Romeo would be a great addition to DPi and it would help the attempted revival of the brand in the US. Adapt the Ferrari 488 GT3's turbo eight cylinder into a turbo six, so you can evoke the roadgoing Giulia Quadrifoglio, and then wrap it in gorgeous Alfaesque bodywork. But they'd have to build the team and organization from scratch, more or less, which is WAY more effort than FCA seems willing to put into non-Ferrari racing these days. This would be extremely cool.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Yeah. Also there was a weird Lamborghini prototype in the mid-80s and I think the Diablo made appearances in GT1. JLOC  they still compete with the Gallardo and now Huracan in Japan in Super GT GT300 (which, btw, the summer Fuji Speedway race is later today!) but I miss the days when they were attempting such insane things as preparing a Diablo for the 24 Hours of Le Mans on a shoestring budget. Brilliant.
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njsykora posted:If Audi was planning a DPi program I doubt Joest would've gone in with Mazda. Joest is still throwing a hissy fit that VAG wouldn't let them drive the 2017 car anyway.
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drgitlin posted:I dunno. I was hanging out with them at Formula E and Lime Rock over the last few weeks and that's not the impression I got. njsykora posted:If Audi was planning a DPi program I doubt Joest would've gone in with Mazda.
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Id have to believe they believe they can turn the mazda program into a race winning championship contender because the alternate is that even a member of the pantheon of endurance racing gods is not above taking a sucker's money.
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First non Caddy victory, Nismo/ESM/Pipo Derani win at Road America: http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/142974-nissan-ends-cadillac-streak-with-road-america-win
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Just got back from there, it was disappointing that the rain didn't come. So, is Jordan the bad Taylor? That car was untouchable when Ricky was in.
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Ricky is a little quicker outright, Jordan is good at very fast (still on pace with AXR) fuel saving. They're a pretty killer combination. e: Jordan is also a wizard at social media
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theyve kinda swapped which one the "good one" is, i think ricky is considered the current "good one" but they are pretty close. Jordan is more aggressive, Ricky is smoother.
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lets be real, they're both fantastic prototype drivers. i'm interested to see what happens with ricky's indycar activities.
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MazeOfTzeentch posted:lets be real, they're both fantastic endurance drivers. i'm interested to see what happens with ricky's indycar activities. Fixed and same, respectively.
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NISMO has started doing a 24/7 stream thing of old races. Currently showing Super GT 2014 from Motegi, hope this sticks around.
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Cheesy marketing video you can skip through, but the Acura DPi looks friggen weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cblkk4d9YMw Some screencaps from Racer http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/143011-imsa-video-acura-offers-first-look-at-arx-05#!Acura_ARX_05_9    The gills on the sidepod are v cool Cygni fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Penske running one of the good P2 chassis with a known and developed engine is going to be a devastating thing next year. And the car looks unreal as well.
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