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Agrajag posted:No Mad Cat? What is this? You mean the TBR, or the MCII? The Timber Wolf is a shadow of its former self, and while it's not exactly bad, the Ebon Jag blows it out of the water as a laser platform. As for the MCII, it lacks the hard-points to mount pure Laser Vomit. The mixed loud-out it runs is generally referred to as Gauss Vomit. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Skippy McPants posted:I'm on discord sometimes, but I tend to play at weird hours. Also, what 1v1 challenge? Aren't you Nymh in game? And I can't believe you don't remember my challenge, you said some truly hurtful things about my non-jumpjet TBR and I challenged you to a TBR 1vs1, you in your lame-rear end JJ TBR and me in my extremely good non-JJ brawling TBR.
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TjyvTompa posted:The Orion-IIC-A is hands down the best heavy brawler in the game right now. Let me know if you have any build problems or questions. I grabbed him and have been enjoying it a bunch so far, the spread of weapon types is cool and I feel like I'm never super worthless at any range, throw LRMs while I'm making my way in, laser guys at medium range, rocket the hell out of people up close, though I guess biggest question is what do I use the purse gun under my arm for? I might be doing something wrong but it never seems like it's doing a whole lot, whereas the thing that the trial Orion and Atlas have at least looks like a big rear end slug of hurt. Which additionally, I did also get an Atlas (AS7-S) like I wanted to at first, which has been a bunch of fun to insta-nuke babby mechs with, that and it feels like I'm being forced to learn things or die super hard with him which is a thing I sort of enjoy. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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TjyvTompa posted:Aren't you Nymh in game? And I can't believe you don't remember my challenge, you said some truly hurtful things about my non-jumpjet TBR and I challenged you to a TBR 1vs1, you in your lame-rear end JJ TBR and me in my extremely good non-JJ brawling TBR. Okay, I remember the argument, but a 1v1 doesn't really resolve anything because the point of a JJ is to help you in turning duels against more nimble mechs. That wouldn't really apply in a mirror match. The whole thing is moot now in any case, since the TBR is a poo poo tier brawler after the SPL nerf and engine decouple. Yardbomb posted:I grabbed him and have been enjoying it a bunch so far, the spread of weapon types is cool and I feel like I'm never super worthless at any range, throw LRMs while I'm making my way in, laser guys at medium range, rocket the hell out of people up close, though I guess biggest question is what do I use the purse gun under my arm for? I might be doing something wrong but it never seems like it's doing a whole lot, whereas the thing that the trial Orion and Atlas have at least looks like a big rear end slug of hurt. Which additionally, I did also get an Atlas (AS7-S) like I wanted to at first, which has been a bunch of fun to insta-nuke babby mechs with, that and it feels like I'm being forced to learn things or die super hard with him which is a thing I sort of enjoy. It sounds like you're running the mech Stock, which is not what you want on the Onion IIC. It's a dedicated brawler, and should look something more like this: ON1-IIC-A. Your goal in life is to get close and smash people in the face with ~70-point alphas.
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Yardbomb posted:I feel like I'm never super worthless at any range, throw LRMs while I'm making my way in I lol-ed.
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johntherussian posted:I lol-ed. I mean I'm doing aaaanything at least, gives me a button to hit while I close in 
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Yardbomb posted:I mean I'm doing aaaanything at least, gives me a button to hit while I close in Sometimes you just have to stand around doing nothing but hiding. Don't turn an amazing brawler into a turd just because you are inpatient.
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lwoodio posted:Sometimes you just have to stand around doing nothing but hiding. Don't turn an amazing brawler into a turd just because you are inpatient. I know what to replace it with now though so it should be fine soon, meant just while I was still tooling with the default junk it comes with. Very late update, first match after retooling my Orion IIC-A to that one smurfy build you guys gave me.  This poo poo owns, even ran my missiles dry right at the end from alpha striking guys in the face. Also I guess why not ask, would it be alright to ask to join GIRL? In-game name's BrotherlyLove. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Yardbomb posted:I know what to replace it with now though so it should be fine soon, meant just while I was still tooling with the default junk it comes with. Haha yeah, sorry I forgot to paste the actual build for the Orion, you were not supposed to use it stock, happy to see you like it. Join the discord that is in the OP and message swiller of beer for a GIRL invite (or BeefSupreme for a WoL invite).
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TjyvTompa posted:Haha yeah, sorry I forgot to paste the actual build for the Orion, you were not supposed to use it stock, happy to see you like it. Can do, but yeah I've been enjoying that thing a whole lot, way more than any of the trials or anything. Really one of my only semi-worries before I started was that looking around I'd just heard a ton about laser vomit, which Iunno, lasers are cool but I'm glad I got recommended/picked up a dude where I can just run up on someone and blast their rear end off instead.
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Yardbomb posted:Can do, but yeah I've been enjoying that thing a whole lot, way more than any of the trials or anything. There are a couple of set kind of ways to play the game (metas). Laser vomit, sniping, brawling and, yuck, lurming. Between them you have types that can do both, and lights that are kinda in a whole category of their own. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, mostly that they are all lame compared to brawling. Sometimes you will find yourself in a brawling mech unable to get close and do any damage. It just happens, sometimes several times in a row. That's when you bust out your lasermech for a few rounds. Everything can be fun, but brawling is the most fun.
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TjyvTompa posted:There are a couple of set kind of ways to play the game (metas). Laser vomit, sniping, brawling and, yuck, lurming. Between them you have types that can do both, and lights that are kinda in a whole category of their own. They all have their strengths and weaknesses, mostly that they are all lame compared to brawling. This man is correct and good at leading charges. Team composition and positioning matters a lot, so sometimes you'll just be in a bad position for your build. Midrange dakka or laser builds can find themselves getting pushed down, and brawlers tend to reenact Pickett's charge if they don't move en masse. Sometimes the correct move is waiting until the initial pokefest is done, and act as cleanup crew, and sometimes a team just needs to collectively push. Any thoughts on what's good at brawling, still? I have a whole mess of robots, about 10m cbills, and enough equipment to rebuild more or less anything prepatch.
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KaoliniteMilkshake posted:This man is correct and good at leading charges. Team composition and positioning matters a lot, so sometimes you'll just be in a bad position for your build. Midrange dakka or laser builds can find themselves getting pushed down, and brawlers tend to reenact Pickett's charge if they don't move en masse. Sometimes the correct move is waiting until the initial pokefest is done, and act as cleanup crew, and sometimes a team just needs to collectively push. Did you see the Orion-IIC-A build? http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=373&l=4cf69a587401df118c9919972a8cd7de1d136bc0 It's the best brawler currently. If you like assaults you could try the Victor-9S, 1xUAC20, 3xSRM6-A and a LFE that fits. Marauder-IIC-SC, the Mad Cats, the KDK-3 4xLBX10 is still good....too many choices. Brawling has barely been nerfed between all the ppc, gauss, laser nerfs so it's in a really good spot right now.
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Off the top of my head, Lights: Wolfhound and Urbanmech (Laser brawlers), Command and Oxide (SRMs) Medium: Griffin (2N or 3M), Bushwhacker (pretty much all of them), Huntsmen (SRM Splat) Heavy: Catapult and Mad Dog (SRM Splat), Orion IIC Assault: Victor, Cyclops, Scorch, Mad Cat II, Atlas Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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KaoliniteMilkshake posted:Any thoughts on what's good at brawling, still? I have a whole mess of robots, about 10m cbills, and enough equipment to rebuild more or less anything prepatch. Requires real money since you need a Pakhet, but this is my go-to brawling Huntsman. You can do some fun things with Roughnecks too, they're armored like assaults so they'll probably make good brawlers once they're out for C-Bills.
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For a cooler-running Huntsman that only has four less missiles, runs a lot colder, and doesn't cost money, use http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=461&l=e52f6605d66184dd1da8e28b384ca64fa2406f65 instead. It's pretty much obsoleted the Mad Dog, imo.
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Me and Beefy were running Orions on Friday and just absolutely decimating people. I think one game we both had over 900 damage and basically all the kills. I was being naughty and using the IIC(O) tho. I did finally get it to run roughly as good as the proper IIC-A build, but only because I wanted the cbill bonus.
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veedubfreak posted:Me and Beefy were running Orions on Friday and just absolutely decimating people. I think one game we both had over 900 damage and basically all the kills. I was being naughty and using the IIC(O) tho. I did finally get it to run roughly as good as the proper IIC-A build, but only because I wanted the cbill bonus. You have 290 million cbills.
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TjyvTompa posted:You have 290 million cbills. Nah man, I bought that xl 360, member?
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I just got on and got a free 2 million spacebux and a neat clan speaker to stick in my cockpit, where'd that come from? Not complaining obviously but google wasn't giving me anything.Axetrain posted:Every couple of weeks they run an event with bonus missions that award various prizes like c-bills/mechs/premium time/etc. I actually think they are pretty great, I have lots of stuff from them I wouldn't have otherwise had and it gives me a reason to play. Neato, logging in to check it, I'm just about there on the assault stuff too. 
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Yardbomb posted:I just got on and got a free 2 million spacebux and a neat clan speaker to stick in my cockpit, where'd that come from? Not complaining obviously but google wasn't giving me anything. Reward from the current event. https://mwomercs.com/tournaments?t=201708civilwar Every couple of weeks they run an event with bonus missions that award various prizes like c-bills/mechs/premium time/etc. I actually think they are pretty great, I have lots of stuff from them I wouldn't have otherwise had and it gives me a reason to play. Axetrain fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Also might as well ask so I don't blow my bills on something possibly outdated, I got my Orion IIC-A all decked out now, but I'd like to fix my AS7-S up next, is this build still about what I should be aiming for?
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Drop the MLs. You never want to hold burns in an Atlas. It's all about twisting 24/7 in between alphas. Also, get an LFE in there. Yeah, you don't get to live on as a zombie-stick after your second shoulder goes, but the extra room you get on a 100-tonner is huge. In this case, it lets you squeeze in a Snubnose PPC, which pairs very well with the AC/20 and gives the mech a respectable mid-range punch for when stuff is still a tad too far away for the SRMs. Example: AS7-S
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Yardbomb posted:Also might as well ask so I don't blow my bills on something possibly outdated, I got my Orion IIC-A all decked out now, but I'd like to fix my AS7-S up next, is this build still about what I should be aiming for? I would suggest just not running an Atlas until they give it some kind of mobility buff. Even with every skill unlock, you're not going to twist fast enough to avoid getting hosed anymore.
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Skippy McPants posted:Drop the MLs. You never want to hold burns in an Atlas. It's all about twisting 24/7 in between alphas. Also, get an LFE in there. Yeah, you don't get to live on as a zombie-stick after your second shoulder goes, but the extra room you get on a 100-tonner is huge. In this case, it lets you squeeze in a Snubnose PPC, which pairs very well with the AC/20 and gives the mech a respectable mid-range punch for when stuff is still a tad too far away for the SRMs. The MLs on the belt are so you can run zombie after they knock off your side torsos. An LFE in the atlas barely gains you anything for it except for the ability to lose speed and heat dissipation when they do blow out one of your side torsos. The build that Yardbomb posted is The One True Build when it comes to the AS7S, except you want to drop two heatsinks from the engine and pile armor into the arms. Don't just cram LFEs into IS mechs. Sometimes you don't need to go faster, and when you place it into mechs that very often get their side torsos blown out (the atlas is 100% one of these mechs) you are cutting their useful lifespan by a huge margin. Going from a 350 to a 360 and gaining a ppc is not worth it at all for that survivability loss.
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Commoners posted:Don't just cram LFEs into IS mechs. Sometimes you don't need to go faster, and when you place it into mechs that very often get their side torsos blown out (the atlas is 100% one of these mechs) you are cutting their useful lifespan by a huge margin. Going from a 350 to a 360 and gaining a ppc is not worth it at all for that survivability loss. It's not about going faster, it's about the extra tonnage—seven tons in this case—and how you spend it. Here it buys the Atlas a few more KPH, a PPC, and a couple more DHS/extra arm armor. Taken together I'd argue that those gains will have more impact over the course of most matches than the contributions of a Stick. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Has anyone tried the comedy option ghost dad + stealth armor yet? If not then I'm getting ready to make more poor decisions.
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Atlatl posted:Has anyone tried the comedy option ghost dad + stealth armor yet? If not then I'm getting ready to make more poor decisions. TheB33F lives in an alternate timeline where all comedy option builds exist simultaneously in his mechbays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph_GL7QEAPg
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Skippy McPants posted:It's not about going faster, it's about the extra tonnage—seven tons in this case—and how you spend it. Here it buys the Atlas a few more KPH, a PPC, and a couple more DHS/extra arm armor. Taken together I'd argue that those gains will have more impact over the course of most matches than the contributions of a Stick. Two medium lasers do as much damage as a ppc, create less heat for the cost of face time, and weighs 4 tons less, and the only time you'll be using those weapons is when you don't give a gently caress anymore about taking CT damage as an atlas. Dropping three of your SRM6s to 4s isn't worth getting a PPC, nor is it worth doing that to gain a few KPH and the downsides of the LFE. Even with two extra heatsinks the PPC is going to be generating too much heat in combination with your alpha strike, which already makes the atlas run hot. The atlas specializes in losing side torsos and still being a threat, and making it so that you lose your ability to fire effectively after losing a side torso and becoming even slower is not something that is good for that mech.
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Skippy McPants posted:It's not about going faster, it's about the extra tonnage—seven tons in this case—and how you spend it. Here it buys the Atlas a few more KPH, a PPC, and a couple more DHS/extra arm armor. Taken together I'd argue that those gains will have more impact over the course of most matches than the contributions of a Stick. I feel we're playing different games.
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I'm glad I'm not playing any more because this weird world where you load up an atlas with things other than SRMs and AC/20s is horrible
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Commoners posted:Two medium lasers do as much damage as a ppc, create less heat for the cost of face time, and weighs 4 tons less, and the only time you'll be using those weapons is when you don't give a gently caress anymore about taking CT damage as an atlas. Dropping three of your SRM6s to 4s isn't worth getting a PPC, nor is it worth doing that to gain a few KPH and the downsides of the LFE. Even with two extra heatsinks the PPC is going to be generating too much heat in combination with your alpha strike, which already makes the atlas run hot. The atlas specializes in losing side torsos and still being a threat, and making it so that you lose your ability to fire effectively after losing a side torso and becoming even slower is not something that is good for that mech. But unlike the MLs, you're not just using the PPC when it's time to say fuckit. As I mentioned in my first response, the Snubnose pairs remarkably well with the AC/20. It's not just a fallback weapon, but a component of your regular distance closing and alpha damage. Yes, the build runs hotter when pulling full alphas, but your point about losing a side torso is moot in regard to heat management because along with that side goes either your AC or SRMs and all the heat they were generating. Skoll posted:I feel we're playing different games. Maybe. I tend to value the slow accretion of factional advantages over the occasional thrill of being a zombie.
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Went with that 'One True Build' I posted asking about after seeing some of the talk on it, I can dig it after a handful of matches with it now. Also to the thought of Atlas just not being great right now on mobility, that's probably true but he's just my novelty big boy anyway, even getting embarrassingly shot up for going into bad situations half the time, I've still enjoyed the other times of slow rolling up on guys and vaporizing light enough targets while twisting like mad. That and once or twice now I've actually gotten groups of my team to follow in behind my charges and it's cool to half-assed lead pubbies on the warpath and win.
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Skippy McPants posted:But unlike the MLs, you're not just using the PPC when it's time to say fuckit. As I mentioned in my first response, the Snubnose pairs remarkably well with the AC/20. It's not just a fallback weapon, but a component of your regular distance closing and alpha damage. Yes, the build runs hotter when pulling full alphas, but your point about losing a side torso is moot in regard to heat management because along with that side goes either your AC or SRMs and all the heat they were generating. You should be twisting to lose your AC/20 first, which generates 6 heat on a shot compared to 16 on your SRM side. When you lose a side torso while running an LFE you lose 40% of your heat dissipation, and on a mech that already has low heat dissipation that means you won't be shooting your snub nose ppc or your SRMs anymore during the fight without shutting down every shot. PPCs and LFEs do not belong on the Atlas, because they make the atlas hotter, which it already has problems with, and less survivable, which is the only good point of playing an atlas.
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Commoners posted:You should be twisting to lose your AC/20 first, which generates 6 heat on a shot compared to 16 on your SRM side. When you lose a side torso while running an LFE you lose 40% of your heat dissipation, and on a mech that already has low heat dissipation that means you won't be shooting your snub nose ppc or your SRMs anymore during the fight without shutting down every shot. PPCs and LFEs do not belong on the Atlas, because they make the atlas hotter, which it already has problems with, and less survivable, which is the only good point of playing an atlas. The dissipation on the LFE build falls from ~1.54 to ~.94 vs. the 1.28 base of the STD build, which is only a 25% loss in dissipation between them. That is a reduction, but it's still enough to fire your SRMs, and even the PPC on occasion. And I maintain that higher performance while still in good condition is more valuable than higher performance after losing your first and second side torso, but I don't think we're going to reach any agreement on this point.
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