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Inescapable Duck posted:I've mentioned that Trump was a dangerously good candidate, not only having experience on reality TV and rightly figuring that the elections are the biggest, ugliest reality TV show of them all, but he basically stole Obama's campaign strategy in many ways (and a smart move, given it was a successful one). While Hillary was aloof and self-obsessed, partying with celebrities, ignoring much of the country and being incredibly hostile to the idea of anyone running against her, Trump made his rallies and visits into events like rock concerts, interacted with people, and said all kinds of weird crazy dumb poo poo that was actually interesting to people willing to believe they could read anything they wanted between the lines. His Republican challengers were a gaggle of hobgoblins who couldn't be trusted to hold a piss-up in a brewery, being effortlessly made laughing stocks by a challenger who rightly didn't take them seriously at all. Basically this. Hilldawg and the DNC underestimated just how hated the political class is these days.
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All probably true, but there's a converse to that standard line of hedging that you mention. There's a good chance that politicians like Harris could be pressured into taking stronger left-populist stances, given the right mix of pressure and political incentives from an organized left. Part of what made Obama's presidency such a dud, was that there really wasn't much focused, directed left-wing pressure on him, to any meaningful degree. If lefties can keep getting organized, and maintain their energy, though, I think pols like Harris could be smart enough to ride that wave into power, regardless of whether or not they actually believe in left-wing principles in their hearts. Obviously, that's not something one can or should assume, and as I've said, I think the left can do better for 2020. But down the line, who knows. Harris may turn out to be somebody we can at least do business with, even if she's never a true believer. (e: to clarify, so there's no misunderstanding for anyone reading - when I say "politicians like Harris," I mean exactly that, in a very narrow sense. I'm not talking about Hillary Clinton, Corey Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, or Andrew Cuomo. They shall be condemned as Bad Dems forever and ever in mine sight. May God have mercy on their souls) Majorian fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:Harris may turn out to be somebody we can at least do business with, even if she's never a true believer. Marxalot posted:Basically this. Hilldawg and the DNC underestimated just how hated the political class is these days.  - Trump is a stupid rear end in a top hat! -   - Now about the federal subsidies that are the engine of unsustainable sprawl thats created decreasingly affordable all white housing at the cost of complete disinvestment in the rest of society. -  
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Yeah, I don't the centrists will ever "cooperate" on anything but social issues and maybe the mildest of reforms (that have a habit of backfiring). I don't think there room to have faith that the establishment of the DNC is going to see the light. The choice for the left is to give in like it usually does or to actually put up a fight. The reasonable course of action at this point is to be "unreasonable."
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Unreasonable in 2017 means, "acting on self-interest." The Democrats saw the GOP's self-oppressing base and became jealous.
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This is the first time I've literally thought liberals in the United States of America, ITYOOL 2017, forced between milquetoast socialist reforms and fascism, would actually choose fascism if any thing threatened federal subsidies for bourgeois whites only neighborhoods. Kind of terrifying considering this inevitably going to come up since its fighting over sustaining an unsustainable situation. https://twitter.com/randygdub/status/796229362643152896
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Marxalot posted:Basically this. Hilldawg and the DNC underestimated just how hated the political class is these days. Apparently a memo went around in the Australian Labor Party saying literally 'You can't be anti-establishment enough', which I think sums up the mood perfectly. It doesn't help that the Democrats seem to have a culture of narcissism and self-worship making them genuinely believe that their own decorum ever mattered. Accretionist posted:Unreasonable in 2017 means, "acting on self-interest." Explains why they're so desperate to court Republican voters; they don't like their base or progressive voters, they want voters they can lie to more easily. And don't care or understand that they're all taken.
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Granted, with upper middle-class Republican voters they don't even really need to lie that much, they can finally "let it all hang out."
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The commercials for Abuela in 2020 will be a picture-in-picture with the main screen being a bunch of cheesy cliche images of non-existent integrated suburban neighborhoods and hand shaking and playing basket ball together, and the smaller picture in the corner will be a nonplussed guy in a suit doing the jerk off motion.
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look if full communism is so great why can't hillary be the person who runs for to make that happen
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In the dumb corncob twitter stuff you can see a bunch of centrists complaining about the evil Berniebros not voting for Harris and forcing four more years of Trump then saying they won't vote for a Bernie candidate with absolutely no sense of awareness. Those types absolutely support fascism over socialism. When Trump was a "joke" that could never win that attitude could be slightly excused but now it's pretty clear that they don't give a real poo poo about social liberalism except as a cudgel to hit left, which is extra funny when it's white dudes like Al Giodino calling women sexist because they work with the DSA. I think the hope has to be those types of idiots aren't as prevalent as they want their social media presence to imply, like maga 20 year olds. 2016 pulled the rug out from under them in such a spectacular fashion I don't think the average person really has much reason to think that DC political wonks have any reason to exist or be paid attention to. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Radish posted:I think the hope has to be those types of idiots aren't as prevalent as they want their social media presence to imply, like maga 20 year olds. 2016 pulled the rug out from under them in such a spectacular fashion I don't think the average person really has much reason to think that DC political wonks have any reason to exist or be paid attention to. "But I went to the correct schools, have the correct opinions, am doing the right thing with my life and my bank account proves it" is a hard mentality to shake.
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I'm starting to wonder if the liberals think they represent the furthest acceptable leftist discourse in society, and marginalizing anyone to the left of them gives them a substance free way to ignore views counter to their interests. This would explain why they think Bernie was running just to make Hillary look bad. I get the unsettling feeling they have some kind of fascist-friendly solipsism that is going to gently caress everyone.
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Most liberals believe they are leftists As evidenced by corncob after corncob running in to this thread to scream "no guys I really am a progressive and here's why prison labor is good"
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NewForumSoftware posted:Most liberals believe they are leftists real talk: Certain poo poo I'm phrasing in self-aware absurdity, but to someone who isn't a corncob, are my point and arguments so far left that they should be assumed as fake? Cause I thought it was just me and didn't care, but apparently Leon Trotsky whos been totally reasonable is also now accused gimmick, and I'm starting to think liberals think anything left of center is someone pretending to be brother aziz if they bring up class. The reactions to the idea reductions of an unsustainable policy are frightening, and I'm serious that I don't think fevered support for them can be seen as anything but radicalization of people who feel entitled to complete control and drat the consequences.
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these are people that think "bend the knee" was a sexual command despite it being a ref to the most popular cable show on tv.NewForumSoftware posted:Most liberals believe they are leftists i tried to explain to one of my friends at work how the mainstream democrats are center-right and it just would not compute for them. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Tell them the party is literally going to collapse in a massive schism over raising highest marginal tax rates by 5%, because either NEVER RAISING TAXES is sustainable, or thats the thing thats going to be a bridge too far for liberal anti racist allies who don't want to give unconditional consent the ultimate evil: a tax increase, or even worse, a cuts to bourgeois welfare.
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Sneakster posted:I'm starting to wonder if the liberals think they represent the furthest acceptable leftist discourse in society, and marginalizing anyone to the left of them gives them a substance free way to ignore views counter to their interests. This is it. Liberals want to be the force behind what little change happens. It has to happen on their terms to.
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quote:No politician is perfect. Sometimes they make mistakes and take positions that aren’t progressive enough, only to evolve over time. (Hey Barack!) poo poo like this is why i have trouble taking liberals seriously don't show your hand of "lets pick someone who can push as a progressive who is willing to transform into a conservative neoliberal who won't touch my tax rate"
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Yeah if anything Harris is a good reminder that the sad state our justice systems and the prison industry was very much the result of Democrats as well as Republicans. Their solution to stopping crime was to stuff our jails and prisons with as many people as possible rather than address anything that was happening in our society.
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Crowsbeak posted:This is it. Liberals want to be the force behind what little change happens. It has to happen on their terms to. They're the only one who's allowed the be the hero, and thus anyone opposing them must be the villain.
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Sneakster posted:I'm starting to think liberals would support a nazi over a socialist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319
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Call Me Charlie posted:more fun from the succ zone Nobody is focusing on Whitehouse because he's done nothing to suggest he's running hth
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https://twitter.com/BrandyLJensen/status/894214723364958213 (spoiler: one of the people Joy Reid mentioned is the person that wrote that kamala defense piece on shareblue) also have this one because it made me laugh at how perfectly it sums up everything wrong with the dems https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/893861309401497600
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Call Me Charlie posted:also have this one because it made me laugh at how perfectly it sums up everything wrong with the dems This is almost literally the HIRE MORE WOMEN GUARDS tweet, loving hell.
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the personality cult thing is amazing because it applies to the hillary folk way more than it does "bernie bros". nobody was saying it's "his turn" they wanted him due to his policies. it was all about who she is not what her policy proposals. so it turns out liberals are the queen to the conservatives' king of projection.WampaLord posted:This is almost literally the HIRE MORE WOMEN GUARDS tweet, loving hell. a grown rear end adult using the "everybody does it" defense is a loving riot.
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Majorian posted:All probably true, but there's a converse to that standard line of hedging that you mention. There's a good chance that politicians like Harris could be pressured into taking stronger left-populist stances, given the right mix of pressure and political incentives from an organized left. Part of what made Obama's presidency such a dud, was that there really wasn't much focused, directed left-wing pressure on him, to any meaningful degree. If lefties can keep getting organized, and maintain their energy, though, I think pols like Harris could be smart enough to ride that wave into power, regardless of whether or not they actually believe in left-wing principles in their hearts. Not to pick on you personally, but words can't describe how done I am with the phrase "we can pressure them to move left once in office". Yeah it's sort of true, but we're talking years of intense organization and pressure for a policy outcome that will be compromised and useless (see: Dodd Frank). Meanwhile they'll be getting away with tons of horrendous poo poo because the opposition's energy and attention is focused elsewhere. gently caress that. Either you're someone who represents human beings without being forced to or you're worthless. End of story. See also: The argument that Obama was a lovely president because the left didn't force him not to be. He had all branches of government and the biggest mandate since the Great Depression. That poo poo was all on him. [/rant]
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"Look, murdering poor people is what all candidates espouse. There are no other alternatives so you're just going to have to abide by that forever." /s
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"ALL. CANDIDATES. gently caress. THEIR. DOGS. Wake up and retire this silly talking point."
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Raskolnikov38 posted:when did we allow morally inept to run for office Since independence?
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Groovelord Neato posted:the personality cult thing is amazing because it applies to the hillary folk way more than it does "bernie bros". nobody was saying it's "his turn" they wanted him due to his policies. it was all about who she is not what her policy proposals. so it turns out liberals are the queen to the conservatives' king of projection. Counterpoint: Birdie Sanders everyone is guilty
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that isn't a counterpoint it was a cute moment.
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Um, it's not a cult of personality if *I* like it.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Counterpoint: Birdie Sanders everyone is guilty We should've listened to that bird on the podium...
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Hot take; cults of personality dont instantly mean someone is good or bad, only that they have some trait that resonates with people It's when people start frothing at the mouth against legit grievances that they pole-vault into the 'bad' category
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