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goose willis posted:If I contacted GW support are they gonna be like "haha gently caress off" or are they gonna mail me a base for the cool Nurgle dude with all the bells For all of their failings as a whole, GW's customer service has always been very no questions asked to me.
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goose willis posted:If I contacted GW support are they gonna be like "haha gently caress off" or are they gonna mail me a base for the cool Nurgle dude with all the bells It heavily depends. They are pretty good and will normally send replacements. But there have been cases were if you are missing something they will send you another box of what you bought entirely.
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Using Possessed and Warp talons as word bearers sounds good. Being Demons you can summon a Herald of Slaanesh right next to them on demand to give them +1S and then cast Frenzy for an immediate pile in fight.
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Pendent posted:Screening units with flamers are becoming increasingly important against assault armies. I think most players would be hesitant to agressively multi-assault when they know this will mean eating overwatch from multiple auto-hitting weapons. That's why I like adrenal glands on tyranids, makes it so much easier to land charges outside of flamer range. Though yeah, that works against hordes, but only if you can pack 3+ flamers in. Better if you take it with the Ultramarines.
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Really, packing in screening flamers can be countered by packing in cannon fodder chargers. It doesn't really matter that much if you've got a bunch of flamers and kill 10 3 point models, as long as one of them makes it to melee you're not overwatching the elite murderfuckers right behind them. It's an arms race. Some armies do this a lot better than others, my vanguard don't have poo poo to keep them safe except their storm shields since I don't have any conscripts or whatever in my detachment if I want to use my chapter tactics.
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MonsterEnvy posted:It heavily depends. They are pretty good and will normally send replacements. But there have been cases were if you are missing something they will send you another box of what you bought entirely. Imagine they sent another Dark Imperium box 
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chutche2 posted:Really, packing in screening flamers can be countered by packing in cannon fodder chargers. It doesn't really matter that much if you've got a bunch of flamers and kill 10 3 point models, as long as one of them makes it to melee you're not overwatching the elite murderfuckers right behind them. It's an arms race. Some armies do this a lot better than others, my vanguard don't have poo poo to keep them safe except their storm shields since I don't have any conscripts or whatever in my detachment if I want to use my chapter tactics. You'd also have to charge past the flamers to get to the unit they're screening, barring pile in shenanigans.
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LordAba posted:They did the same thing in fantasy: take the three elf factions, slap them together, and get rid of the redundant kits. Probably that more likely. Venoms, Ravagers and Scourges are not redundant...
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Anyway, had great fun with my list today. Jump Lts are definitely a thing. Next week is 1500, going to be taking this list. Don't have intercessors yet or I'd probably use them instead of the sternguard. ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [43 PL, 771pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands + HQ + Captain [5 PL, 79pts]: Power axe, Bolt Pistol, The Axe of Medusa Techmarine [4 PL, 70pts]: Boltgun, Conversion beamer, Power axe + Troops + Scout Squad [6 PL, 75pts] . . Scout Sergeant: Chainsword, Sniper rifle . . 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle Tactical Squad [9 PL, 155pts] . . 7x Space Marine . . Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter . . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter . . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun Tactical Squad [5 PL, 93pts] . . 3x Space Marine . . Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Combi-plasma . . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun + Heavy Support + Predator [9 PL, 197pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Predator autocannon, Storm bolter, Two Lascannons + Dedicated Transport + Razorback [5 PL, 102pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon ++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [40 PL, 729pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands + HQ + Lieutenants [5 PL, 90pts] . . Lieutenant: Chainsword, Jump Pack, Power fist, The Armour Indomitus + Elites + Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon Sternguard Veteran Squad [7 PL, 90pts] . . Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun . . Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun . . Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun . . Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun . . Veteran Sergeant: Chainsword, Special issue boltgun Terminator Squad [12 PL, 242pts]: Teleport Homer . . Terminator: Power fist, Storm bolter . . Terminator: Power fist, Storm bolter . . Terminator: Power fist, Storm bolter . . Terminator Sergeant: Power sword, Storm bolter . . Terminator w/Heavy Weapon: Cyclone missile launcher, Storm Bolter, Power fist Vanguard Veteran Squad [8 PL, 142pts]: Jump Pack, Melta bombs . . Space Marine Veteran: 2x Chainsword . . Space Marine Veteran: 2x Lightning Claw . . Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Power sword . . Space Marine Veteran: Power axe, Storm shield . . Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer Created with BattleScribe
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The Repulsor looks better in person than in photos. You can leave a lot of the extra junk off: the gear loaded on the sides in the back, some of the sensory equipment, etc. I'm trying to keep mine a bit cheaper, so I'm leaving off the twin las and las talon. Anti-tank can be provided by some other dedicated unit.
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Aug 7, 2017 03:48
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The foetid bloat drone model is loving gorgeous but how is it in-game?
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goose willis posted:The foetid bloat drone model is loving gorgeous but how is it in-game? I'm finally putting my own Dark Imperium Deathguard models today and these these things are all seriously rad. I'm really tempted to get some more.
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The Bee posted:That's true. Their artifact is pretty awesome, after all. I just already find the Fists' tactic questionably useful at best, so I'm not as jazzed to see it repeated as I am the amazing Raven Guard tactic. The way I see it all so far, in order of release . . . The Iron Warriors' strategem is Iron Within, Iron Without and it costs 1 CP. You play it when you're about to take an unsaved wound, and for the rest of the phase, that unit rolls a D6 for each wound it is about to lose and on a 6+ ignores the wound. Basically gives you FNP 6+. It's not bad, and potentially good on multi-wound units like Oblits and vehicles or when you're about to take a bunch of fire, but it seems a little on the weak side to me. That said, it could get improved in the future. The Artifact is still great though, especially when you remember that it's free. The Emperor's Children get Excess of Violence as their Strategem; costs 1 CP and you use it before an Emperor's Children unit fights in the Fight phase. Each time you kill a model, the model that killed it can immediately make an additional attack using the same weapon. Those don't induce further attacks. Their artifact is Blissgiver, which replaces a bolt pistol and is 6" range Assault D6 S User AP-1 D1 but it can be fired at targets within 1" like a pistol. If it wounds a character but doesn't kill them, you roll a D6 and on a 6, it does D3 mortal wounds to them. It's a strong pair of extra perks that put the Emperor's Children in contention with World Eaters for top legion. There's also a Slaanesh artifact called Intoxicating Elixir which gives you +1 S/+1 A. The Khorne one is the Talisman of Burning Blood which lets you re-roll charges and advance and charge in the same turn--great for having your warlord keep up with a Khorne icon unit. Eye of Tzeentch gives you +1 to Smite attempts. Puscleaver replaces a Power Sword and is S User AP-2 D3 Damage, wounds non-vehicles on a 2+. Khorne also gets the Axe of Blind fury, which turns a dude into Kharn, basically. Black Legion are a bit weird. I wouldn't take their Warlord trait most of the time because it's marine-centric, but the +1 Ld and ability to advance and fire gives them a lot of flexibility if you build for it. That is, taking lots of plasma-heavy squads that can make the most use out of it. It's a different playstyle but it's really good for 4x Plasma chosen/4x Plasma havocs and especially plasma-toting bikes, who can get some sick distance and still pour on some damage. It's also great for terminators, where almost all of their gun options pair well with the rule. I think it's better than you think. I generally think they're great against Imperials, but potentially on par or worse than Iron Warriors against everything else. Hand of Night as an artifact is OK but I'd probably take something else most of the time. As was mentioned for Word Bearers, the bonus is for your cultists and regular chaos marines, who you need to basically bide your time and stay on the table until your daemons all show up (since your summoning is capped at the number of living characters you have). Having units that can resist morale is a big help there. And similarly for the Night Lords, I think their ability is really going to be all about avoiding tarpits or forcing bad CP expenditures. Where that -3 will really come in handy is finishing out combats decisively and making 5 mans charging feel like 10 after morale takes its toll. I like them a lot, but it'll be important to pick the right targets with them. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:I take it you cannot have a Greater Daemon in a CSM list? You absolutely can, though I am assuming you're asking if it'll affect your legion traits. I think you either need to summon it (so it isn't chosen as part of your detachment) or put it in a separate detachment if you are using Legion traits, but it can totally be part of the same list/battleforged army.
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goose willis posted:The foetid bloat drone model is loving gorgeous but how is it in-game? Mine have done work, they shoot 2d6 autohitting attacks that re-roll 1's to wound and start at S:6 with -1 rend. They get locked in combat, they fly away and shoot again. They are a mobile unit in a crazy slow army
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Nice analysis, Chiurg. Considering Iron Within, Iron Without is an insanely pale imitation of Disgustingly Resilient, I doubt I'd pay for it often, but it could come in handy in a pinch. Combined with the artifact, though, it can make for some critical clutch plays. Excess of Violence helps show the distinction between Emperor's Children as defensive duelists and World Eaters as rampaging berserkers, being a less overwhelming but more flexible version of their tactic. Blissgiver relies a lot on the right rolls in the right places, but when it comes together it comes together amazingly. EC are going to be a huge pain. Black Legion ability is probably better than I think, just kind of army comp reliant compared to a lot of more flexible ones. Going to be real fun for plas, though, or even for kiting enemies.
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goose willis posted:Imagine they sent another Dark Imperium box They will likely toss however many bases fit in a small clamshell blister backand send those in a padded envelope in case one breaks. Shipping a dark imperium box ain't cheap.
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goose willis posted:The foetid bloat drone model is loving gorgeous but how is it in-game? I melted a harlequin voidweaver and then I melted a troupe squad and then it got exploded which wounded every single one of his characters. 10/10 want more drones Felime posted:They will likely toss however many bases fit in a small clamshell blister backand send those in a padded envelope in case one breaks. Shipping a dark imperium box ain't cheap. Yeah they mailed me the 1 bit that broke on me. I imagine they have so many calls about DI boxes they can't afford to replace whole sprues even.
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Geoff Zahn posted:
My DI box came with 3 copies of the sprue that has the DG characters and 0 copies of the poxwalker sprue. Their CS rep had me take a photo of the whole box worth of sprues and is sending me just the poxwalker sprue. I also bought some Kairic Acolytes that I'm converting as custists for my thousand sons and the plastic was malformed and soft. They're replacing the entire box for me. Don't expect a whole new box whenever you call in an issue, but don't be surprised if they issue you one. They're really committed to making right when there's an issue.
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TheChirurgeon posted:
Black Legion due to their Stratagem also prefer taking Normal Chaos Marines as Troop Choices over Cultists. And as well due to their Warlord Trait and a few other details. They shine best when fighting Imperium armies as pretty much all units get extra attacks each time they get a 5 then. Abaddon is also really good unit that makes the Black Legion much better just by being in it. I did some Math and checked tested it out. Abaddon can actually beat Guilliman in a fight if he gets the charge off. The fact that he has all 4 chaos god marks also means you can do stuff like use the Khorne Stratagem that lets a unit fight a second time on him.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Black Legion due to their Stratagem also prefer taking Normal Chaos Marines as Troop Choices over Cultists. And as well due to their Warlord Trait and a few other details. They shine best when fighting Imperium armies as pretty much all units get extra attacks each time they get a 5 then. Nice catch on the stratagem point. I kind of raised an eyebrow at the idea, but it's true that chaos armies haven't really paid Chaos Marines themselves enough mind. Every box set for them has been cultists galore, the Death Guard set was at least 66% Poxwalker by volume, but regular Chaos Marines always seem to be brushed to the side. Yeah, Stratagems are going to make Abby even crazier than normal. Especially if you pull a Captain Planet and spend a phase using all of their powers combined. It's probably a total gimmick idea, but I love the idea of him saying "gently caress it" and salting the earth with every single god's blessing.
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As a bit of a trial run, before i paint a redemptor, i did a robo man. Beep Boop!    
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gently caress yes that's nice.
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SteelMentor posted:Resin kits generally get taken from physical stores, due to resin being a pain to work with. Eldar aren't getting amalgamated any time soon. They are plastic ones though, which look decent quality. Reavers, which are in the start collection box: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Reavers Ravager, https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Ravager Hellions, https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Hellions Razorwing, https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Jetfighter
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I've played a couple of games with the Black Legion stuff now since it leaked and yeah, regular CSM are a hidden gem with them. I've even been tempted to try the 20-man blob for more return on investment during their stratagem turn. Sadly, it's become clear that Abaddon is just too good not to take. There's very little in the game that won't die if he charges.
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chutche2 posted:Yeah. Doubling victory points if you have a 2+ or 3+ save is laughable. Yeah, at that point it's not even worth putting orks on the table unless you're bringing the 'naughts.
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Speckled Jim posted:As a bit of a trial run, before i paint a redemptor, i did a robo man. Beep Boop! Really nice highlighting on the black.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:
Ugh. Well at least we have third auto-pic between Caul and Robooman.
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I have a shitload of unassembled space marines and a lot of green paint and Salamanders iconography. Are fire and heat rays and hammers good or bad, beyond the build whatever the gently caress you want and go nuts sense.
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koreban posted:My DI box came with 3 copies of the sprue that has the DG characters and 0 copies of the poxwalker sprue. Oh yeah in the case of missing sprues, they will send a new one. I meant more if you are missing one piece or one piece is broken, they prob wont send a full box or sprue unless there is good reason to. My plaguecaster's hood was broken and they only sent me that part in a padded envelope, for example.
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Star Man posted:I have a shitload of unassembled space marines and a lot of green paint and Salamanders iconography. Flamers good, meltas too expensive when plasma is good and cheap, hammers are ace but expensive in an army which already struggles to put enough on the board.
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Corrode posted:Flamers good, meltas too expensive when plasma is good and cheap, hammers are ace but expensive in an army which already struggles to put enough on the board. Salamanders with...plasma? I need to sit down for a minute.
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Plasma is just fire that's in a little glob instead of a jet or a ray.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:14
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Paint your plasma coils orange instead of blue and you're in good shape.
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It's interesting that every space marine special weapon is a form of "Deliver fire directly to the forehead" Melta, flamer, plasma, volkite, they're all just different kinds of heat guns. Only thing that doesn't fit that are rotor cannons.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Paint your plasma coils orange instead of blue and you're in good shape. I paint my plasma coils green.
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Pendent posted:I think I have some razorback heavy bolters sitting around somewhere. This is just the guns and not the turret assembly though. If you're interested I can double check when I get home and you can just have them. I need the whole turret assemblies unfortunately. Speckled Jim posted:As a bit of a trial run, before i paint a redemptor, i did a robo man. Beep Boop! That's a nice fuckin' Dreadnought right there.
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Chaos Codex is up for preorder for $40. Space Marine one was $50. Here's hoping that means the Death Guard one might be cheaper as well!
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It's definitely nice that some are cheaper than others, makes me feel even less happy about $50 marine codex though.
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Speckled Jim posted:As a bit of a trial run, before i paint a redemptor, i did a robo man. Beep Boop! That's some good looking yellow right there. Nice job! I think Contemptors look stupid, but not that one.
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