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police unions almost universally back illegal and immoral actions against the disenfranchised and vulnerable when the perpetrator is a cop; there is also long history of police, local to federal, actively crushing unions and leftist movements in the u.s. maybe danny has good responses to these sorts of concerns but either not realizing there would be intense concern or realizing and consciously downplaying that part of his resume as a response shows astoundingly poor judgement at best
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Ace of Baes posted:the kind of people you interact with in your city are more similar to people in a similar city on the other side of the country than the other people in your state, like somebody in rural california has more in common with someone from wyoming than someone from oklahoma city has w. someone from wyoming I probably should have mentioned these Texas-movers were city liberals and barely human as such
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The shortcomings of our local here in Austin are not lost on many of our members. Seeing them on full display like this is surreal. We will recover and, hopefully, learn from mistakes and improve. No, Danny ain't a cop. Yeah, he definitely hosed up. Falsely accusing a founding member of being a cop is inflammatory and trying to defend him is a natural response. Our members lashing back out and catching those with legit concerns in the crossfire adds more fuel to the fire. Some of our folks are catching lots of ignorant, reactionary heat right now, but also handling it poorly and missing the point that the delegates feel mislead. Don't hold your breath for a well organized response to all this. Fake E: Austin is indeed a lame, bizarre, whack, overrated, hot, very white place. sillyloquy has issued a correction as of 11:15 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Agnosticnixie posted:Cop unions are the heart of the thin blue line. Sex work is real work and shouldn't be qualified with an "or even".
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i missed out on much of the convention's goings on this weekend because of a family funeral and the standard associated followup. then i get back last night and MADSA is posting about how someone's gotta resign and my timeline is full of god knows how many people with their hair on fire about that poo poo and aaaaaaaahhhhh and then i find a more succinct explanation of whats up and like, oh, yeah, dude should probably step down. definitely should have been disclosed, totally understandable and appropriate that loads of people (esp. those who voted for him) feel deceived here, etc., ACAB, and also all cop unions are loving enabling the bastards and the fact that they're treated as 'good' from one side of capitalists' mouths while other unions, especially teachers unions, are busted nonstop really goes to show that CLEAT is just not capable of good things for people, period. https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/894460076039254017 there, i'm caught up. go team.
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The dude probably should step down but this seems blown up by a bunch of Very Online people This poo poo should be handled internally not carpetbombed all over twitter
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yeah lots of people in the DSA are little too online and treat Twitter like DSA slack and not realize when something should stay internal
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People referring to this all as "DSA elected a cop" are not doing a whole lot to help discuss the issue and it makes the Austin branch understandably defensive. eta: I'm talking about this in terms of serious public accusations, ofc, not SA bullshitting.
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DSA didn't elect an ex-cop, we elected an ex-police union guy which is a thousand times worse.
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BrainParasite posted:Sex work is real work and shouldn't be qualified with an "or even".
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The DSA is in all likelihood well-infiltrated, but cop accusations are counter-revolutionary unless there's very clear evidence.
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GunnerJ posted:People referring to this all as "DSA elected a cop" are not doing a whole lot to help discuss the issue and it makes the Austin branch understandably defensive. I'd say it's one part DSA critics jumping on an opportunity to throw wedges in the org (because people attacking from the left hate how DSA is popular) and the other half is the Very Online people only having one method of discourse, which is to try and score sick owns Edit: at the end of the day maybe 5% of the org is aware of this and we should look on how successful the convention was otherwise instead of devolving into a dogpile in the quest of the Spiciest Austin Take
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Business Gorillas posted:Spiciest Austin Take whatever the spice level it's higher than most white austinites can handle
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https://twitter.com/BenghaziExpert/status/894548567674761219 when is the pantsuit nation convention
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also maybe it's best not to dismiss valid criticism of a serious problem as "they hate us 'cause they ain't us"
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the bitcoin of weed posted:https://twitter.com/BenghaziExpert/status/894548567674761219 Isn't Pantsuit Nation a secret Facebook group?
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this is a real bummer but the good news is that we technically made it through the entire convention to adjournment before we started trying to blow up the org and that is a very significant achievement and i hope other left orgs take note
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R. Guyovich posted:also maybe it's best not to dismiss valid criticism of a serious problem as "they hate us 'cause they ain't us" agreed, austin must release an immediate statement about how they are overrated and san antonio is the better hill country city
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Hulk Krogan posted:Isn't Pantsuit Nation a secret Facebook group? wasn't it a web forum too? or was that a separate group? whatever, i always figured it was a thin veneer covering up a huge middle age swingers group.
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What is the stereotyped accent that DSAcop is mocking?
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Baron Porkface posted:What is the stereotyped accent that DSAcop is mocking? Jersey-Italian, I would call it. ninja: NY cops all live in Jersey, right?
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Baron Porkface posted:What is the stereotyped accent that DSAcop is mocking? NYCGuidoVoice
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R. Guyovich posted:also maybe it's best not to dismiss valid criticism of a serious problem as "they hate us 'cause they ain't us" Turns out I'm not too interested in the opinions of people who have spent the past couple months ranting about how we're imperialist CIA agents and how we murdered Rosa
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Business Gorillas posted:Turns out I'm not too interested in the opinions of people who have spent the past couple months ranting about how we're imperialist CIA agents and how we murdered Rosa yes the people voicing their concerns over this are all the trots at the convention or whatever and not members of the dsa, this is a good and non-defensive reaction
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Baron Porkface posted:What is the stereotyped accent that DSAcop is mocking? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh02zvHHPzw
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R. Guyovich posted:yes the people voicing their concerns over this are all the trots at the convention or whatever and not members of the dsa, this is a good and non-defensive reaction Ah yes this is exactly who i was talking about in the point you were responding to
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Doc Hawkins posted:ninja: NY cops all live in Jersey, right? Jersey, Staten Island or Long Island.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Isn't Pantsuit Nation a secret Facebook group? It's kind of an online coping and venting forum.
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BrainParasite posted:Sex work is real work and shouldn't be qualified with an "or even". Yeah that even might be taken the wrong way (fwiw I've been one so I'm not about to deny this)
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I want to join the DSA, but I don't know what that means with regard to having any kind of commitment to my local chapter. Can I be a card-carrying member of the DSA and never actually participate? Will someone contact me after I join? I have no idea.
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Halloween Jack posted:I want to join the DSA, but I don't know what that means with regard to having any kind of commitment to my local chapter. Can I be a card-carrying member of the DSA and never actually participate? Will someone contact me after I join? I have no idea. if you join the org with a local address you might get added to email blasts from your nearby chapter but chapters themselves don't have access to member lists and thus won't know you exist unless you go to events
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Halloween Jack posted:I want to join the DSA, but I don't know what that means with regard to having any kind of commitment to my local chapter. Can I be a card-carrying member of the DSA and never actually participate? Will someone contact me after I join? I have no idea. There's no commitment to the local chapter if you join. It'd be nice if it worked in the way you described, where they are notified of you joining and reach out to you, but right now local chapters don't even get member lists from national. It's a bit of a clusterfuck.
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Internet Explorer posted:There's no commitment to the local chapter if you join. It'd be nice if it worked in the way you described, where they are notified of you joining and reach out to you, but right now local chapters don't even get member lists from national. It's a bit of a clusterfuck. Our OC just got a member list for members in our area. Not sure how that happened.
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Huh. Well, I want to officially be a part of a socialist organization, but I do actually want to get involved in organizing and not have it being a gesture of self-satisfaction. I mean it would be hilarious if I could just force people at meetings to listen to me read On the Juche Idea, but...
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the bitcoin of weed posted:if you join the org with a local address you might get added to email blasts from your nearby chapter but chapters themselves don't have access to member lists and thus won't know you exist unless you go to events i've gotten a couple of phone blasts too asking me to come out to knock on doors for this or that. thats quite rare though. oh, and the one time the person they had sending out the invite to the july 4th event CC'd all members email addresses rather than BCC them, so that was fun. fortunately there were no reply-alls.
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I get emails from the Metro Atlanta DSA but I live 200 miles way so my commitment level is... low.
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Halloween Jack posted:Huh. Well, I want to officially be a part of a socialist organization, but I do actually want to get involved in organizing and not have it being a gesture of self-satisfaction. petition the chair to let you stump for your Juche reading group at a general meeting. sillier things have happened (see: the old thread title about socialist speed dating)
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BrainParasite posted:Our OC just got a member list for members in our area. Not sure how that happened. If you reach out to national and harass them, you might eventually be able to get a member list. There's no regular process where they email local chapters or OCs. I helped set up Action Network, our rapid response program (using CallHub.io), and our Slack server (National's handling of RocketChat is also a problem). It is endlessly frustrating to me that we don't get member lists properly.
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