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So is it a smart plan to destroy the supplies and not just the soldiers guarding them?
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Aug 7, 2017 12:06
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Iodised QQ posted:Dany left him behind in meereen to watch over poo poo there. And also so he wouldn't be a distraction for her if she needed to bag a westeros dude to secure more allies. I wouldn't be surprised if Daario catches wind of the Golden Company going to fight for Cersei and takes his Second Sons to Westeros to come riding in for the last minute save.
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Aug 7, 2017 12:09
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Gortarius posted:So is it a smart plan to destroy the supplies and not just the soldiers guarding them? People now mentioned this a couple of times but it should be said there are only a few shots of carts being destroyed, so what are we talking about, 30-40 carts? Do these really matter in the grand scheme of thing? Some of you act like Dany just destroyed all granaries of Westeros while in reality she maybe destroyed the supplies (the carts certainly won't all be food) for a couple hundreds (thousands at best) soldiers. That's collateral damage noone cares about.
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Aug 7, 2017 12:18
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I feel you guys are overthinking this... Lannisters: "Let's form up the carts behind us so that we can fall back to something that disrupts the cavalry's movement if we get overwhelmed." Daenerys (not): "I wonder how much foodstuff is in those carts. Let's see, there's 30 carts and they look to contain X bushels each. If I set fire to 80% of them and (...)" Daenerys (actually): "Sweet, if I set fire to the carts the Lannisters will have fire behind them and the Dothraki in front of them. Plus, burning things is great. Mwahaha, DRACARYS!" *smug smile*
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Aug 7, 2017 12:52
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Jokes on her, Cersei made sure to fill the wagons with adorable orphans and babies.
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Aug 7, 2017 12:58
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Gortarius posted:So is it a smart plan to destroy the supplies and not just the soldiers guarding them? It is if you're planning to move on quickly to the next target (Highgarden). They're within a day of King's Landing, so the Lannisters will recover whatever's left.
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Aug 7, 2017 13:25
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Haha, god the Dothraki are arrogant twats. "Your people don't fight well" Really bitch? Because that mayhem out there is all you guys, and nothing to do with the gigantic fire breathing lizard you loving oval office.
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Aug 7, 2017 13:32
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This was the best battle they've done except maybe Castle Black. Not only were there some jaw droppingly gorgeous shots but there was also real tension. The tension was because other than Dany getting killed I felt like anything was possible and I was not waiting for some last minute rescue from anyone.
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Aug 7, 2017 13:40
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I really want them to go Mad Queen Dany, I think the reason this episode turns me against her so hard is seeing her basically cheat-code-delete the best, coolest army led by the best, coolest dudes. Plus I'm holding out hope that her angry, entitled hypocrite attitude is intentional and she's not supposed to be entirely heroic,
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Aug 7, 2017 13:54
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I think this battle had the most legit tension but I still have to give Hardhome the best GOT title. I think my ranking would be: 1. Hardhome 2. Dragon vs Lannister 3. Blackwater 4. Castle Black 5. Battle of the Bastards. Edgar Allen Ho posted:I really want them to go Mad Queen Dany, I think the reason this episode turns me against her so hard is seeing her basically cheat-code-delete the best, coolest army led by the best, coolest dudes. Plus I'm holding out hope that her angry, entitled hypocrite attitude is intentional and she's not supposed to be entirely heroic, I've always been a big fan of Dany becoming the villain in the end. Partly for narrative reasons but also for all those people who have been naming their daughters Daenarys thinking she'd be the hero all along.
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Aug 7, 2017 13:56
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lifts cats over head posted:I think this battle had the most legit tension but I still have to give Hardhome the best GOT title. I think my ranking would be: And all the people naming their daughters Khaleesi because they're dumb as gently caress.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:01
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loving Creepy Bran can't be bothered to fake some gratefulness for Meera.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:03
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whatever7 posted:loving Creepy Bran can't be bothered to fake some gratefulness for Meera. The dude is basically tripping permanently on way too many shrooms, cut him some slack
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Aug 7, 2017 14:06
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Hardhome is best because it came out of nowhere and just. kept. escalating. Walls of zombies, Four Horseman imagery, Giants stomping fools, Jon killing a WW, and the Night King's "Come at me bro" stance. The whole tone of the show changed because it was the first time we saw how meaningless everything else was compared to the the threat of the Dead Army.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:06
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TyrantWD posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Daario catches wind of the Golden Company going to fight for Cersei and takes his Second Sons to Westeros to come riding in for the last minute save. There are only like 2000 Second Sons, right? Doesn't seem like they should be able to rescue her from anything that could threaten the larger Unsullied or much, much larger Dothraki armies. Not that that will stop the show from doing that.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:10
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So Golden company teleports to kings landing kills all the barbarians and Jon, Dany, and Tyrion ride dragons off to winterfell carrying bags of dragonglass. Do I got this right for the last episode? Unsullied die on the way to their home planet. Gendry shows up and uses dragon fire to pound every weapon into valaryian steel. Super twist, Littlefinger does something assholey and Hound dies again. Throw in some incest and I think we got a wrap.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:19
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Gortarius posted:So is it a smart plan to destroy the supplies and not just the soldiers guarding them? It is if you want everyone to starve to death in King''s Landing. Whoops.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:26
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twistedmentat posted:I like Davos telling Jon he's noticed that he's been starring at Dany's rear end. That’s.. not where the heart is located in a female human. Parker Lewis fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Aug 7, 2017 14:28
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Roman Reigns posted:It is if you want everyone to starve to death in King''s Landing. The writers literally spent 5 minutes setting up the destruction of the supplies rather then just doing a blockade because the CGI has to be scheduled way in advance so it can be done on time and they already spent a ton of money on it so those scenes can't be changed. This is why we can't have dire wolves. Not enough server farm time.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:31
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I recall seeing one shot of the dragon flying by, roasting a bunch of carts with barrels and poo poo and seemingly deliberately skipping over one that looked to be full of grain.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:38
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Man, this episode was sooo worth it. I've been staying away from spoilers so had no idea about it going in and I was actually on my feet, heart racing when poo poo started going down. Still as far as rating the big battles goes, I'd still say that Blackwater is my favorite. It took place back in season 2 when the show was still universally great. It spans the entire episode and uses it's time wisely. We get lot's of cool battleshots, and pretty much every aspect of a battle that you would want; scared soldiers in the beginning, stoic generals giving orders, badass warriors killing the poo poo out of a bunch of people, and the wild fire scene is still one of the best in the entire show. It was just all around really well done. Also I really don't see Dany ending up as the bad guy. She's practically been a Mary Sue character through the entire show. From season 2 onward she basically stumbles around accidently conquering city after city, with ridiculous amounts of luck and plot armor. And that line about "the Prince who was promised" actually meaning "the Prince or Princess who was promised" was eyerollingly obvious. The only thing makes me think Dany ending up as the bad guy might be a possibility is that GRRM really likes to subvert classic tropes. So having her be good this whole time, and then turn into a psycho at the last minute would probably surprise the average TV watcher as much as when Ned lost his head at the end of season 1, but I honestly don't think they're going to go that way. I think most likely scenario is the third option, which is just that she dies, maybe just before getting the iron throne back or just after.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:51
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Fellatio del Toro posted:I recall seeing one shot of the dragon flying by, roasting a bunch of carts with barrels and poo poo and seemingly deliberately skipping over one that looked to be full of grain.  I don't want to get into a discussion on video game-esque objectives of hitting enemy troops and avoiding resources, but I'm pretty sure Dany's plan was to wipe out everything.
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Aug 7, 2017 14:54
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-Blackadder- posted:Man, this episode was sooo worth it. I've been staying away from spoilers so had no idea about it going in and I was actually on my feet, heart racing when poo poo started going down. IDK if they ever actually gave the prophecy story in the show but doesn't the Prince That Was Promised have to stab their lover in the heart? Jon stabs Dany bc she cray, fin. drat it would have been satisfying to see Jaime just bowl her over with that lance. Agreed on Blackwater though, that's still my favourite episode. Something about Tywin barging into the throne room at the last second. "The battle is over. We won."
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Aug 7, 2017 14:56
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-Blackadder- posted:I think most likely scenario is the third option, which is just that she dies, maybe just before getting the iron throne back or just after. So my theory is she hooks up with Jon and gets preggers. Now no Targ wife has survived child birth from a Targ husband. Not knowing Jon is another Targ that baby is a time bomb. She the baby comes she's dead. Likewise there will be no king in the north since Jon being raised from the dead probably means he is susceptible to the Night King's powers. So Jon has to be killed after he gets turned. Jamie will likely kill Cersi. What you will have left over is the Hand's for each King and they are pretty level headed minus Qyburn. So they will probably form some sort of Republic or representative council.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:00
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Why does Sansa keep watching people train in the yard? The king said everybody is supposed to train! Get your butt down there and train!
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Aug 7, 2017 15:02
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Scooter_McCabe posted:So my theory is she hooks up with Jon and gets preggers. Now no Targ wife has survived child birth from a Targ husband. Not knowing Jon is another Targ that baby is a time bomb. She the baby comes she's dead. Likewise there will be no king in the north since Jon being raised from the dead probably means he is susceptible to the Night King's powers. So Jon has to be killed after he gets turned. Jamie will likely kill Cersi. What you will have left over is the Hand's for each King and they are pretty level headed minus Qyburn. So they will probably form some sort of Republic or representative council. You misspelled "Queen Sansa"
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Aug 7, 2017 15:02
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-Blackadder- posted:Also I really don't see Dany ending up as the bad guy. She's practically been a Mary Sue character through the entire show. From season 2 onward she basically stumbles around accidently conquering city after city, with ridiculous amounts of luck and plot armor. And that line about "the Prince who was promised" actually meaning "the Prince or Princess who was promised" was eyerollingly obvious. The only thing makes me think Dany ending up as the bad guy might be a possibility is that GRRM really likes to subvert classic tropes. So having her be good this whole time, and then turn into a psycho at the last minute would probably surprise the average TV watcher as much as when Ned lost his head at the end of season 1, but I honestly don't think they're going to go that way. I think most likely scenario is the third option, which is just that she dies, maybe just before getting the iron throne back or just after. I don't expect them to do it, but they really should. At this point that's probably the one subversion they can do that doesn't just get a "heh there they go with that grrm thing again" from people. It's a really weird situation because the signs are all there. From an outsider's perspective she's a foreigner invading the continent with monsters and an army of savages and eunuch slaves. She has a habit of burning people alive if they don't agree with her. She's obsessed with her right to rule but not terribly interested in giving reasons why she actually should. She's a goddamn villain, but the most we're likely to get from the show is her heroically sacrificing herself.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:07
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Idk which thread is the main one but that episode was easily best of the season Just don't hurt the dragons
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Aug 7, 2017 15:07
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The Human Crouton posted:Now that Dany knows about the scorpions, if she lets any of her dragons get killed, then she is too dumb to be queen. Yeah, I was bothered by the decision making process there. The battle is effectively over, Dany and her dragon come within a few feet of getting hit by that first shot. Instead of turning and heading back, she makes a run directly at it, providing the perfect opportunity to line up the shot and fire again for what proved to be a direct hit.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:07
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1 degree away from a kill shot.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:10
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Actually I do kind of feel like we're going to end up with a situation where everyone dies except Tyrion and the Stark kids maybe minus Jon. Basically the rest of the original major authority figures will get killed, and we'll be left with Tyrion (and maaaaybe Jon) trying to pick up the pieces in King's Landing and Arya, Sansa, and Bran doing the same in the North.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:12
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Sand Monster posted:Yeah, I was bothered by the decision making process there. The battle is effectively over, Dany and her dragon come within a few feet of getting hit by that first shot. Instead of turning and heading back, she makes a run directly at it, providing the perfect opportunity to line up the shot and fire again for what proved to be a direct hit. Yeah Drogon is gonna get chewed out by his squadron lead when he gets home all that tac air training wasn't cheap.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:17
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-Blackadder- posted:Actually I do kind of feel like we're going to end up with a situation everyone dies except Tyrion and the Stark kids maybe minus Jon. Basically the rest of the original major authority figures will get killed, and we'll be left with Tyrion (and maaaaybe Jon) trying to pick up the pieces in King's Landing and Arya, Sansa, and Bran doing the same in the North. Well there would be some irony in that even if everyone worked together and won the day that the winter is actually a naturally occurring deep freeze that happens every couple thousand years and everyone gets wiped out. A few years later people from a foreign land come to an empty Westeros and start calling themselves the "first men." And the cycle just starts all over again.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:18
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It's going to feel a bit bullshit if Varys and Tyrion start calling her the mad queen and poo poo, saying this was a mistake. She's not attacking civilians, she's attacking an army that's returning from sacking a former ally and slaughtering a bunch of guards they worked with. Like, even with the blockade plan, there were going to be lots of people dying of starvation/conditions AND an army probably would have attacked the besieging army, leading to basically the same thing here except even more of a one sided slaughter. Hope we get a quality Bronn, Jaime and Tyrion scene next week now that they're presumably prisoners.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:21
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Dany is going to learn that the supply line she destroyed was full of food that could have been used to feed her troops, which will fuel Tyrion's hand wringing about not wanting to use the dragons.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:22
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radical meme posted:Two questions from this episode. C'mon you know about Jon Snow and girls and caves. He bent both knees, baby.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:24
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Scooter_McCabe posted:So my theory is she hooks up with Jon and gets preggers. Now no Targ wife has survived child birth from a Targ husband. Not knowing Jon is another Targ that baby is a time bomb. She the baby comes she's dead. Likewise there will be no king in the north since Jon being raised from the dead probably means he is susceptible to the Night King's powers. So Jon has to be killed after he gets turned. Jamie will likely kill Cersi. What you will have left over is the Hand's for each King and they are pretty level headed minus Qyburn. So they will probably form some sort of Republic or representative council. I can't see Jon being susceptible to the Night King's influence either, not if we take the Lord of Light's opposition to the Others at face value anyway. Being brought back to life and being undead aren't quite the same thing.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:25
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Sand Monster posted:Yeah, I was bothered by the decision making process there. The battle is effectively over, Dany and her dragon come within a few feet of getting hit by that first shot. Instead of turning and heading back, she makes a run directly at it, providing the perfect opportunity to line up the shot and fire again for what proved to be a direct hit. Rational decision making took a back step to setting up a scene where Jaime is a literal knight charging at a dragon.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:25
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thebardyspoon posted:It's going to feel a bit bullshit if Varys and Tyrion start calling her the mad queen and poo poo, saying this was a mistake. She's not attacking civilians, she's attacking an army that's returning from sacking a former ally and slaughtering a bunch of guards they worked with. Like, even with the blockade plan, there were going to be lots of people dying of starvation/conditions AND an army probably would have attacked the besieging army, leading to basically the same thing here except even more of a one sided slaughter. Yeah, with the exception of her being too stupid to protect one of her major military assets by flying Drogon out of danger after narrowly dodging the first scorpion arrow, I don' t see any legitimate criticism of her tactics this episode. She's at war and she hit a legit military target. There really isn't a nice way to kill people in war. It was ugly, but she wasn't doing anything outside of what normally happens in a war.
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Aug 7, 2017 15:27
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:IDK if they ever actually gave the prophecy story in the show but doesn't the Prince That Was Promised have to stab their lover in the heart? Jon stabs Dany bc she cray, fin. It's cool that this show has five battles that are all arguably the best battle. The final battle between the WW and the United Forces of Westeros is gonna be lit.
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