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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Larry Parrish posted:

I unironically want to host a book burning for The Last Man and The End of History

also ayn rand

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MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Taintrunner posted:

also ayn rand

And every mainstream political book published after 9/11

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MizPiz posted:

And every mainstream political book published after 9/11

the only good book about politics

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Taintrunner posted:

the only good book about politics



i cant believe radical politics were dead until corbyn hit the scene

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The end of history? History's just getting started my man

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

china not being on this seems strange

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Jose posted:

china not being on this seems strange

I think China doesn't disclose its imprisonment rates?

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Jose posted:

china not being on this seems strange

it varies depending on whether or not you include forced labor camp inmates in the total; china doesn't publish statistics for those. even if you do they're probably somewhere between the UK and Poland in terms of inmates per capita. executing more people than all the rest of the world combined helps keep the numbers down i guess.

also missing from the list is north korea, which is probably up there with the US when you include the labor camps, and the seychelles which for some reason has the worlds highest known rate at 799 per 100,000.

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015

Fallen Hamprince posted:

it varies depending on whether or not you include forced labor camp inmates in the total; china doesn't publish statistics for those. even if you do they're probably somewhere between the UK and Poland in terms of inmates per capita. executing more people than all the rest of the world combined helps keep the numbers down i guess.

also missing from the list is north korea, which is probably up there with the US when you include the labor camps, and the seychelles which for some reason has the worlds highest known rate at 799 per 100,000.

Smaller countries are inherently weird and swingy with broad numbers like /100000. Like one murder can swing a tinier country's crime rate to the highest in the world in some cases.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Agnosticnixie posted:

Smaller countries are inherently weird and swingy with broad numbers like /100000. Like one murder can swing a tinier country's crime rate to the highest in the world in some cases.

yeah, the Seychelles actually have fewer than 799 prisoners because their population is a fraction of 100,000. although looking at the list a ton of small island nations have really high (300+) incarceration rates for some reason

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

It's harder to get away with poo poo when everybody knows each other.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's harder to get away with poo poo when everybody knows each other.

pitcarin would like a word with you

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

logikv9 posted:

pitcarin would like a word with you

Plenty of guys got convicted on Pitcairn, and the mayor was busted for child pornography.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
my bad, i read the post as "harder to do poo poo"

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
it's easy to get away with it with enough $$$

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
people joke that somalia is what a libertarian nation would look like but actually it's pitcairn

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Henry Kissinger has warned that destroying Isis could lead to an “Iranian radical empire”.

The former diplomat has suggested that once Isis is defeated, if Iran occupies the free territory, the result could lead to the emergence of a new empire.

The 94-year-old, who was the Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon, also spoke about the complications of taking sides in Middle Eastern conflicts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-a7881541.html

Just. Good. Policy.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
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Vox Nihili posted:

Henry Kissinger has warned that destroying Isis could lead to an “Iranian radical empire”.

The former diplomat has suggested that once Isis is defeated, if Iran occupies the free territory, the result could lead to the emergence of a new empire.

The 94-year-old, who was the Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon, also spoke about the complications of taking sides in Middle Eastern conflicts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-a7881541.html

Just. Good. Policy.

hmm, how'd that "isolate syria from the entire middle east" thing work for ol big dick Henry again?

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Someone please send Kissinger to the Hauge already

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Larry Parrish posted:

Someone please send Kissinger to Hell already

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
this is hell

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

and i must meme posted:

i'm british and every time i see whatever democrats are doing i feel really smug about how much better labour is lol

I was recently thinking about how devastating it is when you compare "A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages" to "For The Many, Not The Few"

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

That graph's slightly misleading because it's not per capita but the overall idea would still be the same, it just wouldn't look as dramatic.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I was recently thinking about how devastating it is when you compare "A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages" to "For The Many, Not The Few"

You'd think these clowns could at least just steal all of Huey Long's speeches verbatim to get votes even if they never plan to follow through

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Plenty of guys got convicted on Pitcairn, and the mayor was busted for child pornography.

after the colonial power that claims the island created a special court consisting of outsiders to do so

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Larry Parrish posted:

You'd think these clowns could at least just steal all of Huey Long's speeches verbatim to get votes even if they never plan to follow through

Him and Debs.

Eugene V Debs posted:

Ten thousand times has the labor movement stumbled and fallen and bruised itself, and risen again; been seized by the throat and choked and clubbed into insensibility; enjoined by courts, assaulted by thugs, charged by the militia, shot down by regulars, traduced by the press, frowned upon by public opinion, deceived by politicians, threatened by priests, repudiated by renegades, preyed upon by grafters, infested by spies, deserted by cowards, betrayed by traitors, bled by leeches, and sold out by leaders, but notwithstanding all this, and all these, it is today the most vital and potential power this planet has ever known, and its historic mission of emancipating the workers of the world from the thraldom of the ages is as certain of ultimate realization as is the setting of the sun.

:anarchists:

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


TomViolence posted:

Him and Debs.


:anarchists:

yass 'gene

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Vox Nihili posted:

Henry Kissinger has warned that destroying Isis could lead to an “Iranian radical empire”.

The former diplomat has suggested that once Isis is defeated, if Iran occupies the free territory, the result could lead to the emergence of a new empire.

The 94-year-old, who was the Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon, also spoke about the complications of taking sides in Middle Eastern conflicts.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-a7881541.html

Just. Good. Policy.

All things being equal, it's difficult for me to view Kissinger as a centrist.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 200 days!

Jeb! Repetition posted:

I was recently thinking about how devastating it is when you compare "A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages" to "For The Many, Not The Few"

the success of corbyn is really great on many levels, but my biggest hope for his labour is that it's success gives a big middle finger to the idea that britain is forever conservative because of mostly white demographics

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 200 days!

dont even fink about it posted:

All things being equal, it's difficult for me to view Kissinger as a centrist.

he didn't move to the center, the center moved to him

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
what, nobody carried out Kissinger's sentence of being thrown into a volcano yet?

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

dont even fink about it posted:

All things being equal, it's difficult for me to view Kissinger as a centrist.

liberals put a lot of effort into defending him when bernie called him a scumbag in the primary

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 19 days!)

LGD posted:

after the colonial power that claims the island created a special court consisting of outsiders to do so

This isn't a real point. There's only 54 people on Pitcairn, so it's impossible to hold a fair trial without outside organization.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

dont even fink about it posted:

All things being equal, it's difficult for me to view Kissinger as a centrist.

he's 94, his brain has been cheez whiz for a decade at least

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

This isn't a real point. There's only 54 people on Pitcairn, so it's impossible to hold a fair trial without outside organization.

in the movies these tiny island communities always have some cool dark secret like worshipping a giant monster or being part-fishpeople but in real life the dark secret is almost always a pervasive culture of child sexual abuse, which is a real bummer for all involved

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

That's not true! Sometimes it's just incest.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

Hodgepodge posted:

he didn't move to the center, the center moved to him

yeah there's certainly some window dressing that's different, but
-wants to keep a power struggle between opposing forces (that they are rationally above)
-hosed up the middle east, bigly
-will stab you in the back while shaking your hand and looking you in the eye
-always the smartest person in the room
-Views Russia as their primary enemy
-only believes in power

could just as easily describe Clinton and her cronies as Kissinger, so functionally not too different

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
When the head of Human Rights Watch is hanging out with Kissinger at a ball game its time to kill HRW

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Yeah seriously. Kissinger, Nixon, and McNamara are probably the greatest American war criminals since WW2 where at least you could say it was a 'both sides' thing.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

I guess at the very least McNamara actually admitted to being a war criminal, albeit safe in the knowledge that he was too old for a prosecution (should it ever happen) to actually mean anything.

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Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Larry Parrish posted:

Yeah seriously. Kissinger, Nixon, and McNamara are probably the greatest American war criminals since WW2 where at least you could say it was a 'both sides' thing.

not surprised to learn that larry parrish hangs out with people who think the topic of war crimes during ww2 was a 'both sides' thing

"one the one hand Japanese internment, on the other hand literal genocide factories and roving death squads killing whole villages. p much a toss up"

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