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Shageletic posted:Miami Vice is coming back? Yep, news broke last week. It's coming from Vin Diesel's company. He's involved as EP, as is another producer from the Fast & Furious franchise. I expect it to be the second coming of Fastlane instead of the moody, contemplative crime drama it could be.
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JethroMcB posted:Yep, news broke last week. It's coming from Vin Diesel's company. He's involved as EP, as is another producer from the Fast & Furious franchise. I expect it to be the second coming of Fastlane instead of the moody, contemplative crime drama it could be. See now I'm going to watch it.
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EL BROMANCE posted:I enjoyed the movies of Kick rear end (the first one anyway) and Kingsman, but man Millar is just a terrible writer. I remember grabbing the KA comics after seeing the film and realizing what a mistake this was by the end of the first page. It's amazing they can turn his stuff into enjoyable properties. He's a good "concept" guy, I'll give him that, but his execution leaves a lot to be desired and the only other comics writer that injects more lovely opinions into his work than Millar does is Dave Sim (Cerebus). Speaking of which I can't wait until Sim kicks the bucket and his work goes into public domain so someone can make an adaptation of Cerebus that removes all the lovely stuff because I really do like the first few arcs of the comic.
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JethroMcB posted:Yep, news broke last week. It's coming from Vin Diesel's company. He's involved as EP, as is another producer from the Fast & Furious franchise. I expect it to be the second coming of Fastlane instead of the moody, contemplative crime drama it could be. Goddamn Fastlane was aces, so sounds good to me.
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Aug 7, 2017 16:00
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lelandjs posted:He's a good "concept" guy, I'll give him that, but his execution leaves a lot to be desired and the only other comics writer that injects more lovely opinions into his work than Millar does is Dave Sim (Cerebus). See I don't really know the first thing about comics, yet even I know enough to realize the comparison to Dave Sim makes him even more of a garbage person than I originally thought.
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lelandjs posted:He's a good "concept" guy, I'll give him that, but his execution leaves a lot to be desired and the only other comics writer that injects more lovely opinions into his work than Millar does is Dave Sim (Cerebus). It's the Fable guy. Also I'm kind of over the primary criticism of new media becoming pronouncements on the morality of the creator.
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EL BROMANCE posted:I enjoyed the movies of Kick rear end (the first one anyway) and Kingsman, but man Millar is just a terrible writer. I remember grabbing the KA comics after seeing the film and realizing what a mistake this was by the end of the first page. It's amazing they can turn his stuff into enjoyable properties. I really liked Red Son but that comic is the least Millar thing Millar's ever written. Almost everything else he's ever put out is just miserable.
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zoux posted:It's the Fable guy. Oh man Fables, started off so well and then fell off a loving cliff. At least the Wolf Among us was a really good adaptation, can't wait for Season 2. [Edit: I mean, in Cerebus' case, the dude actually wrote loving ESSAYS condemning feminism and explaining some batshit combination of religions he came up with and published them as comic books. There's literally no way to read the series without encountering and considering Sim's personal views.] asecondduck fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Aug 7, 2017 16:46
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GreenNight posted:Probably a good way to go about it. Quantum Leap should come back and ignore the finale too. You should ignore the Quantum Leap finale even if it doesn't come back. zoux posted:Netflix signed a deal with Mark Millar for his comics stuff. He's the guy who wrote Kingsmen, Wanted and Kick rear end, among other things. This seems like a bad thing to me. Kingsman and Wanted were good movies in spite of Millar, not because of him. Kick-rear end was a piece of poo poo but it was still worlds better than Millar's lovely, hateful, contempt-for-the-reader source material. raditts fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Read a plot summary of the wanted comic and wow it sounds awful. Surprised a decent action flick was able to be put together from that.
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I remember watching this episode before I knew who Rachel Riley was. So strange now in retrospect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHA5Z8aoUU
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Josh Lyman posted:I remember watching this episode before I knew who Rachel Riley was. So strange now in retrospect. Her hair is so weird looking in that video, I like how she has it now better. The "BabesOfBritain" channel sure has a lot of clips of her, gives off a real creeper vibe of whoever runs that channel. raditts fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Zerilan posted:Read a plot summary of the wanted comic and wow it sounds awful. Surprised a decent action flick was able to be put together from that. I thought it was pretty funny when they went to alternate realities and killed the super heroes like Superman.
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Wanted was a kind of interesting premise but really a gross, misogynistic mess in practice. I remember being annoyed when the movie ditched the premise wholesale but watching it again recently I realize it actually was a solid little action flick that didn't have any of the really gross poo poo I remember from the comic and that the comic being adapted faithfully would probably have been a horrible disaster. I read it a long time ago when I was still young enough to be a little numb and entertained by that stuff. But even then I knew it was way past the lines of good taste.
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Aug 7, 2017 20:02
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STAC Goat posted:I read it a long time ago when I was still young enough to be a little numb and entertained by that stuff. But even then I knew it was way past the lines of good taste. We all did stuff like this. I've read all of Tom Clancy's work.
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zoux posted:It's the Fable guy. It bugs me a bit when people dismiss Dave Sims' Cerberus (which Neil Gaiman called "the most important comic book ever made") based on Sims being an rear end in a top hat. Like, all those old comic book guys are assholes, every one of them.
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Well I've never read it but if Gaiman called it the most important comic book ever I'm going to not read it even harder.
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zoux posted:Well I've never read it but if Gaiman called it the most important comic book ever I'm going to not read it even harder. At a time when the series was about 70% completed, celebrated comic book writer Alan Moore wrote, "Cerebus, as if I need to say so, is still to comic books what Hydrogen is to the Periodic Table."[2]
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IRQ posted:We all did stuff like this. I've read all of Tom Clancy's work. Yeah, I'm not embarrassed or anything. I'm willing to admit I liked bad poo poo when I was young and stupid. I said a lot of dumb poo poo too. I know I was an idiot 10 years ago and 10 years from now I'll probably be embarrassed by stuff I like and say now. I get that.
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Rocksicles posted:At a time when the series was about 70% completed, celebrated comic book writer Alan Moore wrote, "Cerebus, as if I need to say so, is still to comic books what Hydrogen is to the Periodic Table."[2] Alan Moore is a moron though.
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Rocksicles posted:At a time when the series was about 70% completed, celebrated comic book writer Alan Moore wrote, "Cerebus, as if I need to say so, is still to comic books what Hydrogen is to the Periodic Table."[2] Without doing an ounce of research I assume Gaiman and Moore love it not for content but because it's wholly written and drawn by one person outside Corporate Comics
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precision posted:It bugs me a bit when people dismiss Dave Sims' Cerberus (which Neil Gaiman called "the most important comic book ever made") based on Sims being an rear end in a top hat. Like, all those old comic book guys are assholes, every one of them. My experience is people still appreciate the good bits but speak out against the angry sexist insane nonsense tbh
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Escobarbarian posted:My experience is people still appreciate the good bits but speak out against the angry sexist insane nonsense tbh I wish that were my experience. On here at least, most people talk as if the entire 300 issues across 27 years is entirely unworth reading. zoux posted:Without doing an ounce of research I assume Gaiman and Moore love it not for content but because it's wholly written and drawn by one person outside Corporate Comics I think they love it for experimenting so radically with the form and also having some really fantastic content (along with some dodgy stuff). I guess it also bothers me that people bother dunking on Sims, who at least did something interesting, and say not a word about Warren Ellis writing a novel in which he not only inserted himself, but also several porn stars he knew, as characters.
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precision posted:It bugs me a bit when people dismiss Dave Sims' Cerberus (which Neil Gaiman called "the most important comic book ever made") based on Sims being an rear end in a top hat. Like, all those old comic book guys are assholes, every one of them. I feel like dismissing a dude who made the ultimate enemy of his work feminism is fairly ok. Not an allegory for feminism, just feminism. Which he also equated with homosexuality and pedophilia and animal loving, as this sort of hive-mind of terrible poo poo destroying society. And it's not really a thing that happens late on in the run, it's basically there from the beginning. So you can say a lot of things about the objective quality of the writing or Gerhard's work on art, but the fact of the matter is it's basically 30 years of "old man yells at vagina" and it's cool if people say "Nope, I can skip that".
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MPH and Nemesis seem like they'd translate into films pretty easily? IDK I liked Wanted when it came out, it seemed so edgy and cool but I re-read it as a grown up and oh good lord I was a dumbass. Oh god, are MPH and Nemesis actually bad? I don't wanna re-read them and embarrass myself further.
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precision posted:It bugs me a bit when people dismiss Dave Sims' Cerberus (which Neil Gaiman called "the most important comic book ever made") based on Sims being an rear end in a top hat. Like, all those old comic book guys are assholes, every one of them. I don't dismiss it! I've read the entire thing, front to back, twice (okay I skipped the essays the second time around). It's a hugely important work, and Dave Sim's role in encouraging and protecting indie comic creators cannot be overstated. It just sucks that he has lovely opinions and that he's a HUGE rear end in a top hat.
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STAC Goat posted:I know I was an idiot 10 years ago and 10 years from now I'll probably be embarrassed by stuff I like and say now. I get that. This is why I don't have any tattoos.
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The prince albert is OK though.
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lelandjs posted:I don't dismiss it! I've read the entire thing, front to back, twice (okay I skipped the essays the second time around). It's a hugely important work, and Dave Sim's role in encouraging and protecting indie comic creators cannot be overstated. quote:The Onion: Why an aardvark? :masterstroke:
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precision posted:It bugs me a bit when people dismiss Dave Sims' Cerberus (which Neil Gaiman called "the most important comic book ever made") based on Sims being an rear end in a top hat. Like, all those old comic book guys are assholes, every one of them. Calling Dave Sim an rear end in a top hat is doing a disservice to assholes. And more to the point, his shittiness is not divorced at all from his work, and easily the entire back half of cerebus is an unwelcome window into his terrible worldview. precision posted:I guess it also bothers me that people bother dunking on Sims, who at least did something interesting, and say not a word about Warren Ellis writing a novel in which he not only inserted himself, but also several porn stars he knew, as characters. I will gladly dunk on Warren Ellis' entire "I just read my first Chuck Palahniuk novel and I have some Ideas" body of work if it'll please you, but it's very apples and oranges. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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But yeah, comics are filled with people with dodgy opinions and politics and, because they're often the only person involved in the creation of their work, they often use them as soapboxes. Ellis, Mike Millar, Frank Miller, Sims and Gaiman are especially guilty of this. The reason why the film/tv adaptations of their works are generally well received is because the truely offending parts are left out in the first draft of the script because movies with strong viewpoints (conservative or liberal) alienate viewers, and I would argue that, in the adopted works I've seen, they're better off for it. Wanted may not be the greatest film, but it's better than the comic because the "stop being a pussy and be a REAL MAN" element was removed, and I will always love the film for giving us Morgan Freeman shouting "SHOOT! THIS! MOTHER! FUCKER!" [Edit: anyway, to get this back on the topic at hand, I don't have any faith that Millar's Netflix show will be much good because of the viewpoints he presents in his other works. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Netflix is doing it because they want a show that specifically appeals to the alt right MRA The_Donald types. It's only fair, they've made shows for all of their other demographics, so I guess they had to get one eventually.] asecondduck fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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I haven't read Cerebus. I feel like Usagi Yojimbo must even out as being better, though, simply because there's never been a bad issue of Usagi Yojimbo. That would be great fun - an Usagi Yojimbo cartoon. I know he's been in TMNT cartoons but he's not had one of his own as far as I'm aware. Don't know if Tartakovsky could do it or the people who did Avatar, but I'm sure they'd both be good at it.
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precision posted::masterstroke: I haven't read his comic but there's no way it can possibly be good or influential enough for him to be that much of an insufferable douche about it.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I haven't read Cerebus. I feel like Usagi Yojimbo must even out as being better, though, simply because there's never been a bad issue of Usagi Yojimbo. Stan Sakai is legitimately one of the sweetest people that has ever walked this planet on top of Usagi Yojimbo being consistently awesome. So of course it's better than Cerebus.
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precision posted::masterstroke: Also I think there are like Sonic fanfictions longer than Cerebus.
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I don't know anything about Cerebus but that AV Club interview is gold. That guy keeps trying to bring up how he hates feminists and Tasha Robinson just goes like, uh, I was talking about how many issues you planned to write, not how the leftist conspiracy is dumbing down America.
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Yeah I don't really care how good Cerberus was at the start or how influential it might have been. Sims at this point kind of deserves to only be brought up as "that rear end in a top hat writing hateful poo poo about feminism."
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Zerilan posted:Yeah I don't really care how good Cerberus was at the start or how influential it might have been. Sims at this point kind of deserves to only be brought up as "that rear end in a top hat writing hateful poo poo about feminism." There's a good number of creators that deserve to be pushed aside and forgotten. <cough cough> John Byrne
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