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Glagha
Oct 13, 2008

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Well at least he's already on a stretcher.

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IPCRESS
May 27, 2012
IDGI - we already knew hoverboards won't work on water?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Lurking Haro posted:

If you can't make it smaller, stack it.

:wrong: because thermal limits

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

Platystemon posted:

:wrong: because thermal limits

Oh no, 3D ICs are a scam because they can't possibly work and there aren't other processes in development that make transistors run cooler or less susceptible to heat.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something
http://i.imgur.com/FlchEpR.mp4

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

lol

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?
Nap Ghost

Hahaha

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
MORE CORES.

(That an i7 from 2015 is only slightly worse than a currently produced model equivalent is a Good Thing for someone like me who's incredibly lazy about hardware upgrades.)

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Platystemon posted:

:wrong: because thermal limits

Eh 3D stacking and fancy packaging are where the industrys going/at. Several new technologies in the works too but who the gently caress knows which ones will pan out.

It ain't gonna go past single digit nm feature size, though, without changing the fundamentals.

Former DILF
Jul 13, 2017


wow russian women really shrink when they turn into babushkas

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

boner confessor posted:

the only fatality in a self driving car so far was some jackass who was watching a movie when his car drove under a truck

The official investigation finds no evidence that dude was watching Harry Potter when he rammed his face into a cargo trailer at speed. I'm not sure where we go from here though, the only other non-suicide answer is that dude was sleeping.

E: Insert a 'without braking' in there.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

goatsestretchgoals posted:

The official investigation finds no evidence that dude was watching Harry Potter when he rammed his face into a cargo trailer at speed. I'm not sure where we go from here though, the only other non-suicide answer is that dude was sleeping.

E: Insert a 'without braking' in there.

even if this guy wasn't (he totally was) there's going to be more people like him because self driving cars are one of the ultimate stupid luxuries. it's a technological solution to the problem that driving your own car is convenient but also tedious. everyone wants point to point transportation but nobody wants to have to pay attention to driving, or pay a driver, or sit in traffic, etc. so we'd like to imagine that self driving cars are going to fix all these problems for us. hate sitting in traffic? the self driving swarm will create optimial efficiency and traffic will be a thing of the past! (it wont, it will get worse due to triple convergence/latent demand and ever increasing urban populations) hate paying attention to the road? the self driving car will make this a thing of the past! (in 20 years after multiple generations, before then you'll be trapped in a hellish coma as you prepare to take over driving on a moment's notice without actually being able to divert your attention lest you void the manufacturer's warranty of driver assist, oh also there's a camera in the car tracking your eyes so we can tell if you're looking at porn and assign you liability for any crashes)

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

boner confessor posted:

before then you'll be trapped in a hellish coma as you prepare to take over driving on a moment's notice without actually being able to divert your attention lest you void the manufacturer's warranty of driver assist

This is the key issue with 'driver assists'. The entire payoff is that you don't have to pay attention, except you do? Humans don't do well watching a green button waiting for it to go red because after a few minutes we assume the green button is okay and gently caress off in ways the camera can't (and can) tell.

E: A pure self driving world would fix a fuckload of congestion problems simply based on tiny tolerances. Not sure if the time spent hosing the poo poo out of the car after a forward/left turn pass at 3" will outweigh the quicker transit.

goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Aug 8, 2017

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

goatsestretchgoals posted:

E: A pure self driving world would fix a fuckload of congestion problems simply based on tiny tolerances. Not sure if the time spent hosing the poo poo out of the car after a forward/left turn pass at 3" will outweigh the quicker transit.

not for a long while, because even when we have fully competent self driving cars on the road capable of swarm behavior there's still going to be a lot of early gen self drivers as well as manually operated holdouts driving around

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

bobfather posted:

I'd say, lucky to have level 5 AI for cars before I die in ~60 years.

100% agree with this. Self driving cars are essentially a hard-AI problem so if we actually do solve it the repercussions would make self driving cars look as important as the alarm clock on your smart phone.

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

Open the hatchback doors, Hal.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Powershift posted:

Intel's lack of progress is likely a matter of market conditions, but how about Nvidia, AMD, qualcomm, samsung? We'll see windows 10 on snapdragon 835 devices this year,

Batteries are constantly improving, and are probably 1/10th the cost they were 7 years ago.

Actually Intel had started to hit a wall and Moore's law basically ended a few years ago. There's a reason clock speeds haven't moved at all and it's because going from a 45nm process to a 22nm is a much bigger jump in efficiency then going from 22nm to 10nm. We're running out of room at the bottom here. I sincerely hope we have some kind of breakthrough because otherwise we're gonna run out of progress to make.



Also battery price has improved a lot but the actual weight and efficiency have increased a tiny amount because you can really only cram lithium atoms so close together. Its hard to find hard numbers on it but the rate of actual energy density increase is <1%/year, it's linear and it appears to be slowing

Gasoline really is the perfect fuel. A tech that could turn atmospheric CO2 and water into gasoline, even at 5% efficiency would blow batteries out of the water.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

lmao

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

boner confessor posted:

it's a technological solution to the problem that driving your own car is convenient but also tedious.
I'd imagine it's at least as much intended as a solution to the problem of traffic accidents.

DiggityDoink
Dec 9, 2007

Moist von Lipwig posted:

Gasoline really is the perfect fuel. A tech that could turn atmospheric CO2 and water into gasoline, even at 5% efficiency would blow batteries out of the water.

Actually according to that chart, Uranium is the perfect fuel but people are too loving scared of it.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
Gimmie my loving fallout style nuclear car god dammit

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Reading this thread almost makes me wish for a nuclear car.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

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Gotta nuke something
gently caress nuclear cars, I wanna go to Flintstone cars. That mammoth-hide soft-top. As much footpower as you can muster. Enough room on the window for as many bronto-ribs as you want.

What's not to love.

Mustached Demon
Nov 12, 2016

Moist von Lipwig posted:


Gasoline really is the perfect fuel. A tech that could turn atmospheric CO2 and water into gasoline, even at 5% efficiency would blow batteries out of the water.

So you're saying.... Gasoline batteries?!?!?

Hydrogen was supposed to do that too but it's just so annoying to work with.

Edit: we'll probably see a lag in new technology but a drop in price as R&D focuses on improving production efficiency rather than cramming more devices on a wafer. Meanwhile still searching for new and exciting ways to cram as much data/processes into as little space whatever gets used to do it.

IC manufacturing is osha as gently caress at least. Metal oxides need etched away so plenty of HF. Plenty of other nasties like 30% peroxide in the same building as acetone and all the other common acids in various concentrations.

Mustached Demon fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Aug 8, 2017

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

Another factor with shrinking silicon geometry is that it affects reliability. Bit flipping errors happen more often, it's more sensitive to temperature, lifespan is reduced etc.

On the last 45nm chip I worked on, every 64 bits of flash memory had another 8 bits of storage purely for error correction codes and enabling it was mandatory. 1-bit errors are now expected to happen frequently enough they're part of normal operation. The SRAM also had the same ratio in parity bits to detect errors. After all it's not good if your 32-bit throttle control variable flips a high bit and suddenly has 2^31 added to the value and you don't know about it. :v:

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.

Spatial posted:

Another factor with shrinking silicon geometry is that it affects reliability. Bit flipping errors happen more often, it's more sensitive to temperature, lifespan is reduced etc.

On the last 45nm chip I worked on, every 64 bits of flash memory had another 8 bits of storage purely for error correction codes and enabling it was mandatory. 1-bit errors are now expected to happen frequently enough they're part of normal operation. The SRAM also had the same ratio in parity bits to detect errors. After all it's not good if your 32-bit throttle control variable flips a high bit and suddenly has 2^31 added to the value and you don't know about it. :v:

Will the videogames still work?

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012

Mustached Demon posted:

So you're saying.... Gasoline batteries?!?!?

Hydrogen was supposed to do that too but it's just so annoying to work with.

Unrelated to OSHA but today someone was ear-bashing me about some wonderful new technology that uses aluminium and water to create hydrogen gas, "for the price of the water".

Unless I've mucked up the chemistry, this is burning up the aluminium as fuel. Cheap, renewable, totally carbon neutral aluminium.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I saw a paper a week or two ago about calculating neutron radiation dose based on how many bits in memory get flipped in a given time period

fatman1683
Jan 8, 2004
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Moist von Lipwig posted:

Gasoline really is the perfect fuel. A tech that could turn atmospheric CO2 and water into gasoline, even at 5% efficiency would blow batteries out of the water.

I may be in the minority here, but I think algae-based biodiesel is the best option for a carbon-neutral motor fuel for the foreseeable future. It can be grown from wastewater on otherwise-unusable land, or it could even be grown on the open ocean, consumes atmospheric CO2 to make hydrocarbons, and doesn't consume valuable food-growing resources. I'm really disappointed that more work isn't being done in this area.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

fatman1683 posted:

I may be in the minority here, but I think algae-based biodiesel is the best option for a carbon-neutral motor fuel for the foreseeable future. It can be grown from wastewater on otherwise-unusable land, or it could even be grown on the open ocean, consumes atmospheric CO2 to make hydrocarbons, and doesn't consume valuable food-growing resources. I'm really disappointed that more work isn't being done in this area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCWGHl2YYQs

Seriously though I agree entirely, some kind of transition fuel that's carbon neutral or close to it while remaining compatible with existing engines and distribution networks (or close enough that conversions are practical) would be really nice.

I was super hyped on hydrogen for the longest time, until I realized how horrible it is to store. A BMW Hydrogen7's 45 gallon liquid hydrogen tank starts boiling off after less than a day parked and will be entirely empty within two weeks.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Strudel Man posted:

I'd imagine it's at least as much intended as a solution to the problem of traffic accidents.

not really, we've done quite a lot with making vehicles safer, the only reason traffic fatalities aren't declining even further is because amount of time and distance people spend driving keeps going up with increasing population. total fatalities peaked in 1979 and per capita fatalities keep falling ever lower

the better way to reduce fatalities would be to crack down harder on bad/impaired driving and encourage alternatives to driving but in the united states we've kind of painted ourselves into a corner by creating a built environment that practically requires a car to navigate, which is why we've had such a massive hardon for self driving cars for 70+ years and counting - we can't imagine giving up cars so we have to pray for the machine god to save us from driving them

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

wolrah posted:

I was super hyped on hydrogen for the longest time, until I realized how horrible it is to store. A BMW Hydrogen7's 45 gallon liquid hydrogen tank starts boiling off after less than a day parked and will be entirely empty within two weeks.

"Current generation" hydrogen vehicles like that ugly rear end Toyota use high pressure fibre tanks that don't boil off. Still a dumb idea but for other reasons.

throw to first DAMN IT
Apr 10, 2007
This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures
There was some noise about converting CO2 straight into ethanol about year ago, don't know if anything came out of it since then. Far easier to store than hydrogen. Probably easier to burn too.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
How about we convert dinosaurs into sweet guzzoline and burn that instead.

It's even carbon neutral too if you think about it.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



goatsestretchgoals posted:

E: A pure self driving world would fix a fuckload of congestion problems simply based on tiny tolerances. Not sure if the time spent hosing the poo poo out of the car after a forward/left turn pass at 3" will outweigh the quicker transit.

You solve that last problem by not having windows/those electrically tinted windows. Because the only decent self driving car will be the one I don't have to pay attention in at all. AKA a solo train.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

mobby_6kl posted:

How about we convert dinosaurs into sweet guzzoline and burn that instead.

It's even carbon neutral too if you think about it.

yeah and when the sun expands into a red giant it will burn off everything above the mantle, which is where all the carbon is, so if you think about it the whole Solar System is really carbon neutral in the grand scheme of things

this is sarcasm, but I've seen things like what you posted used as absolute unironic arguments for why we should keep using crude oil forever and ever amen

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Wish that was a gif showing him waddling toward the fixture.

Memento posted:

yeah and when the sun expands into a red giant it will burn off everything above the mantle, which is where all the carbon is, so if you think about it the whole Solar System is really carbon neutral in the grand scheme of things

this is sarcasm, but I've seen things like what you posted used as absolute unironic arguments for why we should keep using crude oil forever and ever amen
Step 1: burn all the fossil fuel to get biosphere carbon back to dinosaur levels
Step 2: Grow megaflora
Step 3: Breed megafauna
Step 4: Ride a trex to work.

Blitter
Mar 16, 2011

Intellectual
AI Enthusiast

boner confessor posted:

not really, we've done quite a lot with making vehicles safer, the only reason traffic fatalities aren't declining even further is because amount of time and distance people spend driving keeps going up with increasing population. total fatalities peaked in 1979 and per capita fatalities keep falling ever lower

the better way to reduce fatalities would be to crack down harder on bad/impaired driving and encourage alternatives to driving but in the united states we've kind of painted ourselves into a corner by creating a built environment that practically requires a car to navigate, which is why we've had such a massive hardon for self driving cars for 70+ years and counting - we can't imagine giving up cars so we have to pray for the machine god to save us from driving them

The current rate of US fatalities per 100 million miles is 1.28. Including non-fatal incidents, it's an average of 1.9 million miles per injury.

That's more than the average lifetime total for a lot of drivers. It is not significantly risky at this point in history, driving a modern car,, unless you're a drunk rear end in a top hat (or their collateral damage).

CDC Deaths: Final Data for 2014 posted:

All unintentional injury deaths

Number of deaths: 135,928
Deaths per 100,000 population: 42.6
Cause of death rank: 4

Unintentional fall deaths

Number of deaths: 31,959
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.0

Motor vehicle traffic deaths

Number of deaths: 33,736
Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.6

Unintentional poisoning deaths

Number of deaths: 42,032
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.2

Diabetes mellitus at 76,488 deaths per annum, is ranked number 7 and is more than double accident fatalities.

Seriously though, loving people falling off poo poo is amazingly high in the list and what is the deal with poisoning?

The obesity related deaths are the most amazing but least surprising; automotive deaths and everything accidental are a tiny fraction of that. Clearly the answer is autonomous fridges first, cars later.

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ncumbered_by_idgits
Sep 20, 2008


Our HR guy made me buy a $1600 ladder to change bulbs in a fixture like that once. One month later we abandoned the building.

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