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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

I never suggested women should not be under the authority of fathers husbands, Im objecting to JIM arguing for giving FRIEND OF THE FAMILY rapists the right to rape my daughter by saying she has the right of consent. If you are arguing for consent you are arguing for womens autonomy. Only FRIEND OF THE FAMILYs sell their daughters cheap white invest more time and money in their higher quality children and expect a better quality sire of their grandchildren. Not once did one of younon parent beta fags chomos dying to get into the pants of a 10 year old mention the point of raising children grandchildren.

As a father I am the only person that can grant consent. If a man has sex with my daughter I decide whether to execute him as a rapist or offer him the terms to marry her.

Jim wants the rapist to decide his own fate.

If my horse or my slave or my daughter runs away and I find a man has used them i will execute him, it matters not that the man found them without the owner, he knew they were not his,he knew they could not own themselves, so he knew he was a thief to use them.so if I find my daughter in a commune or crack den and a FRIEND OF THE FAMILY has hosed her I will execute him.(all rapists are FRIEND OF THE FAMILYs)

I alone am the legal consentor to sex with my women

Since rapists make poor sons in laws i will probably decide to execute.

since rapists like thieves are a menace to the society I am building I will probably decide to execute.

since sexual assault of my householders is as egregious a personal affront as possible I will probably choose to torture before executing.

since raising a slut is a shame on a man I will probably choose to execute the man who has caused me to be seen as such a failure.

since I have invested much time and treasure in the raising of my child in the expectation of a high return and this man has destroyed that I will probably choose to execute.

since raising a daughter to maturity is one of the greatest pleasures a man has in life and i love my daughter i will probably decide to torture and execute the rapist.

Since not executing rapists will only encourage men who want other mens women to simply take them i will probably choose to execute.

allowing a man who would rape another mans woman to have legal authority over my daughter and grandchildren is unwise i would probably decide to execute.

to allow a man to live that has hosed a daughter without her fathers permission will encourage daughters to lay with men they think they love more readily, i will probably decide to execute after torture.

There’s really not to many scenarios where i allow the rapist to live. If you dont get this is the difference between a white civilization and FRIEND OF THE FAMILY anarchy you should stop calling yourself a reactionary. Its like youre saying well property rights expire upon theft and since w cant control the thieves gently caress civilization we will be pirates. Theres a lot of reasons whites decided to delay fertility and all of them are more valid today than then.

At what age I can authorize marriage is another question. I think a sensible discussion begins with forgetting about these pre marriage betrothals we are no longer an agrarian society. Lets stipulate that we also understand capital must be subordinated to culture and state so property rights are not absolute, therefor its not a given that there might be limits put on your property rights but that children are an especial property where the already judicious use of state/cultural force on property right ought be even more restrained. On the other hand we are discussing future citizens of the state / culture, while in the case of women such citizenship might have different rights than men they are no less important citizens, they are not second class citizens they are not property in the sense of chattel or slavery the rights over women are more of a trust and guardianship of our most precious resource by those assumed to most have their interests aligned with those women. -AND SO IT SEEMS I MUST ANSWER FOR YOU IDIOTS THE QUESTION I HAVE POSED REPEATEDLY “HOW DOES REACTIONARY PATRIARCHY DIFFER FROM SAY MUSLIM OR OTHER HISTORICAL PATRIARCHY’S”?

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Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

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divabot posted:

I have a shitload of friends at Google who are deeply upset about this and, I'm pleased to say, making a loving lot of public noise about it. That said, I'm still waiting for more in public than the present non-response from the higher echelons so far.

Modified: gently caress google leadership.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
http://inferentialdistance.tumblr.com/post/163875136282/can-you-please-elaborate-on-how-the-police-follow

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

It's Derrida, not Derida!

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!


'i can already tell the sentence “doesn’t the pope call non-catholics ‘normies’?” is going to haunt me till my dying days' (leviathan-supersystem)

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
Today I learned there are people who can read that Sea Lion cartoon and think it's about polite disagreement. And I thought MY social skills were bad.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

divabot posted:



'i can already tell the sentence “doesn’t the pope call non-catholics ‘normies’?” is going to haunt me till my dying days' (leviathan-supersystem)

Okay but are you going to worry or post sad frogs huh

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
https://slatestarscratchpad.tumblr.com/post/163863396251/you-famously-criticized-people-who-called-trump-a

jesus christ scott

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
THAT'S OUR SCOTT *laugh track*

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

The Vosgian Beast posted:

THAT'S OUR SCOTT *laugh track*

lmao, right?

e:i'm really looking forward to seeing how far scott can go in being apologetic for the far-right.

Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 01:11 on Aug 8, 2017

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

pookel posted:

Today I learned there are people who can read that Sea Lion cartoon and think it's about polite disagreement. And I thought MY social skills were bad.

I think you'll find that it's really a cartoon about the importance of vigilantly calling out racists and therefore the sea lion is the hero because THE OPPOSITE READING IS TRUE.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/890815242602598400

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Well sometimes I feel that way too, though I suspect for different reasons

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I think you'll find that it's really a cartoon about the importance of vigilantly calling out racists and therefore the sea lion is the hero because THE OPPOSITE READING IS TRUE.

Uh... wanna explain that one?

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Somfin posted:

Uh... wanna explain that one?

I'm guessing it comes from "Imagine if the lady in the cartoon had said she didn't like people of color", so the sealion is now the hero relentlessly hounding the woman for her bigotry.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Somfin posted:

Uh... wanna explain that one?

http://wondermark.com/2014-errata/

David Malki posted:

It has been suggested that the couple in this comic, and the woman in particular, are bigots for making a pejorative statement about a species of animal, and then refusing to justify their statements. It has been further suggested that they be read as overly privileged, because they are dressed fancily, have a house, a motor-car, etc. This is, I suppose, a valid read of the comic, if taken as written.

But often, in satire such as this, elements are employed to stand in for other, different objects or concepts. Using animals for this purpose has the effect of allowing the point (which usually is about behavior) to stand unencumbered by the connotations that might be suggested if a person is portrayed in that role — because all people are members of some social group or other, even if said group identity is not germane to the point being made.

Such is the case with this comic. The sea lion character is not meant to represent actual sea lions, or any actual animal. It is meant as a metaphorical stand-in for human beings that display certain behaviors. Since behaviors are the result of choice, I would assert that the woman’s objection to sea lions — which, if the metaphor is understood, is read as actually an objection to human beings who exhibit certain behaviors — is not analogous to a prejudice based on race, species, or other immutable characteristics.

My apologies if the use of a metaphorical sea lion in this strip, rather than a human being making conscious choices about their own behavior, was in any way confusing.

As for their attire: everyone in Wondermark dresses like that.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Fututor Magnus posted:

lmao, right?

e:i'm really looking forward to seeing how far scott can go in being apologetic for the far-right.

There's no bottom. He'll be one of the leashed scholars they keep around as entertainment. It's basically his ambition.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
and imagine who's back on tumblr.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Relevant Tangent posted:

There's no bottom. He'll be one of the leashed scholars they keep around as entertainment. It's basically his ambition.

i suppose you're right.

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016


All the cool kids have moved on from ironic Hoxhaism to ironic Posadism anyways.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

darthbob88 posted:

I'm guessing it comes from "Imagine if the lady in the cartoon had said she didn't like people of color", so the sealion is now the hero relentlessly hounding the woman for her bigotry.

Yeah, and imagine if she'd said that we should legalise cannibalism, that'd make her even more wrong

Imagine if she'd said that the earth was flat woah lady what are you smoking haha

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
The opposite reading is true! The opposite reading is true! I've been to college!

Skittle Prickle
Oct 28, 2005

The best-tasting pickle I ever heard!

For a nice rebuttal, check out these tumblr posts. Essentially hes grabbing from sources that are all repeating that gender gaps are primarily due to cultural socialisation, cherry picking some random things, then placing them next to paragraphs on innate gender differences and winking suggestively.

Basically, if the gender gap is due to innate gender differences, the innate gender differences sure have been changing a lot over the last couple of decades. He even includes figures showing wildly different gender gaps in different countries, but somehow concludes the ones in the west must be due to innate factors because sexism is over! He proves sexism is over by citing a survey asking women if women are inferior at computing, which they disagreed with! Checkmate feminists.

The fact that this idiot is being held up as the arbiter of science and reason is deeply saddening.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
How is it that the same people who are so insistent that being gay or trans is a lifestyle choice and/or result of childhood experiences are also convinced that any differences between men and women are innate and inborn? Like, you believe it's possible to become gay as a result of social conditioning, but not that it's possible to prefer humanities to math as a result of social conditioning?

Maybe I'm wrong and the DE folks also tend to think sexuality/gender identity are inborn, but I haven't gotten that impression from them.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
You can turn yourself gay through sheer force of will, but developing an appreciation for math is just crazy talk

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
A combination of personal choice, environment, and biology influences most aspects of human nature.

This remains a contentious point because DE types are contrarian, not just to present academia, but all of Western thought to this day

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

You can turn yourself gay through sheer force of will, but developing an appreciation for math is just crazy talk

It just dawned on me how ridiculously stupid it is to both not believe in biological determinism for the gay yet fervently believe in it for things like "blacks are inherently violent"

Like that just clicked in my head, all at once.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

pookel posted:

How is it that the same people who are so insistent that being gay or trans is a lifestyle choice and/or result of childhood experiences are also convinced that any differences between men and women are innate and inborn? Like, you believe it's possible to become gay as a result of social conditioning, but not that it's possible to prefer humanities to math as a result of social conditioning?

Maybe I'm wrong and the DE folks also tend to think sexuality/gender identity are inborn, but I haven't gotten that impression from them.

Depends on who you're talking to, if it's one of the edgy /pol/ types who likes jerkin' it to trap porn they're surprisingly progressive and not-terrible (most of the time) about gender identity. If it's just a rebranded nazi trying to look cool like Cernovich then it's the more traditionally expected response.

Also I can't find it now but a little while ago in this thread someone posted a bunch of stuff from an /lgbt/ "post your politics" thread that was legitimately fascinating in how, i don't know, weird 4chan makes your brain. It was full of stuff like "I think I'm gay but I don't act on it because it's the cancer that is poisoning western civilization" or "I'm trans but I don't talk about it out loud because I'm an ancap and my ancap friends would hate me"

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005



quote:

Hyde found moderate or large gender differences in (and here I’m paraphrasing very scientific-sounding constructs into more understandable terms) aggressiveness, horniness, language abilities, mechanical abilities, visuospatial skills, mechanical ability, tendermindness, assertiveness, comfort with body, various physical abilities, and computer skills.

The fact that this is taken completely uncritically when dude links the drat paper for everyone to read says a lot about these guys. The paper itself- in the easy-to-read parts, even!- says that the significant differences are "some motor behaviors (e.g., throwing distance) and some aspects of sexuality, which show large gender differences," with a moderate difference in aggression that's specifically pointed out to disappear when subjects think they're not being observed.

I'm guessing he just looked at Table 1 and called it a day, ignoring all the words around it about "the Interpretation of Effect Sizes" and "Developmental Trends" and "the Importance of Context." Must be that male problem with language abilities, presumably the same one that caused him to list "mechanical ability/ies" twice.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

ikanreed posted:

A combination of personal choice, environment, and biology influences most aspects of human nature.

This remains a contentious point because DE types are contrarian, not just to present academia, but all of Western thought to this day

They're going down the Nazi "scientist" route of "conventional science is a jewish trick" and will soon be claiming that homosexuality is caused by your humors being out of balance and that phlogiston is responsible for combustion.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

ate all the Oreos posted:

Depends on who you're talking to, if it's one of the edgy /pol/ types who likes jerkin' it to trap porn they're surprisingly progressive and not-terrible (most of the time) about gender identity. If it's just a rebranded nazi trying to look cool like Cernovich then it's the more traditionally expected response.

Also I can't find it now but a little while ago in this thread someone posted a bunch of stuff from an /lgbt/ "post your politics" thread that was legitimately fascinating in how, i don't know, weird 4chan makes your brain. It was full of stuff like "I think I'm gay but I don't act on it because it's the cancer that is poisoning western civilization" or "I'm trans but I don't talk about it out loud because I'm an ancap and my ancap friends would hate me"

Every time I hear about LGBT poo poo on 4chan, it gives me more insight into what made my friend's abusive transwoman ex-girlfriend such a self-loathing basket case.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Every time I hear about LGBT poo poo on 4chan, it gives me more insight into what made my friend's abusive transwoman ex-girlfriend such a self-loathing basket case.

My wife hangs out in a Discord that's from /k/ and full of transpeople (effectively transwomen) and crossdressers (because 4chan) that like guns too much and booooy are there some, uh, interesting people there.

Also i've come to the conclusion that my wife is probably the only transperson gun nerd in existence who isn't a horrible human being. I even made her agree that when Nancy Pelosi's FEMA death camps finally come around we're going to be first in line to turn in our guns to the new world order.

noether
May 1, 2017

some kinda cutesy shoggoth

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Every time I hear about LGBT poo poo on 4chan, it gives me more insight into what made my friend's abusive transwoman ex-girlfriend such a self-loathing basket case.

I hang around on a trans discord a lot that has had a couple of those types come and go. a lot of them are honestly fine as long as you don't get them talking about whatever subject they're broke-brained about, but then there's the occasional total psycho that's super into /pol/ and brags about lawsuits constantly and married a 16-year-old.

idk how that community exists. like, the trans threads on /lgbt/ are nothing but catty trans women picking fights with eachother and making GBS threads on non-passing folk. it's so unapologetically toxic you'd think people would jump ship once they caught on, but instead they've just formed this weird completely isolated community dedicated to making themselves and eachother miserable, and then have extreme difficulty interacting with the larger trans population because they don't want to filter themselves. it's bizarre.

Great Metal Jesus
Jun 11, 2007

Got no use for psychiatry
I can talk to the voices
in my head for free
Mood swings like an axe
Into those around me
My tongue is a double agent
lmao, the dweeb fired for distributing the manifesto at Google has been offered a job by Julian Assange.

The article posted:

On Tuesday Damore revealed he had been dismissed by Google for “perpetuating gender stereotypes” and said he was considering legal action against the company. Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks who is holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, offered him a job and accused Google of censorship.
...
Assange, who has repeatedly attacked Google over privacy issues, tweeted: “Women and men deserve respect. That includes not firing them for politely expressing ideas but rather arguing back.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/08/google-fires-employee-behind-anti-diversity-memo-perpetuating/

It has me wondering just how offensive can your ideas be and still be defensible in the eyes of some of these people as long as you don't start cursing and spitting slurs? I mean on one hand I know we're in part talking about out and out nazis here. But is there actually a line?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Great Metal Jesus posted:

lmao, the dweeb fired for distributing the manifesto at Google has been offered a job by Julian Assange.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/08/google-fires-employee-behind-anti-diversity-memo-perpetuating/

It has me wondering just how offensive can your ideas be and still be defensible in the eyes of some of these people as long as you don't start cursing and spitting slurs? I mean on one hand I know we're in part talking about out and out nazis here. But is there actually a line?

I guarantee it if he had cursed and threw slurs Wikileaks would have still hired him (assuming the story got as big).

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Great Metal Jesus posted:

It has me wondering just how offensive can your ideas be and still be defensible in the eyes of some of these people as long as you don't start cursing and spitting slurs? I mean on one hand I know we're in part talking about out and out nazis here. But is there actually a line?

There is no line because no matter who they were before it happened and no matter who actually says it, the moment ~The Regressive Left~ says something bad about a person they become a hero in the eyes of these dipshits. Ideology doesn't matter, all that matters is the possibility of living in a world where actions don't have consequences.

anchorpunch
Mar 30, 2006
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/the-most-common-error-in-coverage-of-the-google-memo/536181/
what do you think about this guys take?

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

I think it's exactly the article I'd expect Conor Friedersdorf to write about it.

Dongsturm
Feb 17, 2012

This is the equivalent of saying "I'm not racist, but..."

Memoboy starts his manifesto with "I'm not a bigot, but..." and then proceeds to be one for the next ten pages.

Dongsturm has a new favorite as of 04:03 on Aug 9, 2017

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MatchaZed
Feb 14, 2010

We Can Do It!



Exactly what I would expect from a guy who has repeatedly cited Scott

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