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Azhais posted:Censorship is never the path to enlightenment No one got censored! In fact, his screed is now highly visible, the exact opposite of censorship!
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screamin and creamin posted:Yes, and I have. But this is not about me. COBOL wasn't the first. FORTRAN was developed in the mid 50s by IBM. Hopper published the first compiler in 1952. I don't know of any examples before that.
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Azhais posted:Censorship is never the path to enlightenment Do you know what asceticism is?
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Azhais posted:Censorship is never the path to enlightenment If this guy really believes what he is writing, he should be very happy with how many people have heard of it by now.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The public evisceration of a guy with dumb opinions that he shared in an internal memo makes me really uncomfortable. The irony of someone expressing discomfort at the idea of a google employee losing the anonymity provided by being a corporate employee and sharing their bad ideas to others within that corporate entity is
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Azhais posted:Censorship is never the path to enlightenment That's not what censorship means
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The public evisceration of a guy with dumb opinions that he shared in an internal memo makes me really uncomfortable. Nah https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/so-about-this-googlers-manifesto-1e3773ed1788
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I can't believe I got censored by being shown the door for yelling that women don't belong at my company while everyone was gathered in the common room to get coffee, I am emailing Breitbart right now about how that snowflake from HR wouldn't even let me finish my donut.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Is it? In my experience, the way you actually make prejudiced people less prejudiced is by engaging with them with empathy and patience, exposing them to diverse populations, and leading by example. Public shaming accomplishes none of these things, though I do think it makes people more defensive and insular. While I agree in principle, it's also kind of important to publicly and loudly say, "Not okay!" One does have to lay down the line about what's socially acceptable.
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Azhais posted:Censorship is never the path to enlightenment Good thing this isn't censorship then. Go the gently caress back to reddit.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Is it? In my experience, the way you actually make prejudiced people less prejudiced is by engaging with them with empathy and patience, exposing them to diverse populations, and leading by example. Public shaming accomplishes none of these things, though I do think it makes people more defensive and insular. And in the meantime, what're all of the women and racial minorities who have to work with this guy knowing what he believes supposed to do?
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Is it? In my experience, the way you actually make prejudiced people less prejudiced is by engaging with them with empathy and patience, exposing them to diverse populations, and leading by example. Public shaming accomplishes none of these things, though I do think it makes people more defensive and insular. http://lardcave.net/text/the_racist_tree.html
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ThePeavstenator posted:Women were pretty heavily present in CS until the 70s and 80s rolled through and marketed consumer electronics as a male thing. This. Women were big in computing as early as the 60's, but the industry got reclassified as male and women were pushed out.
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If only we could have had a rational discussion with the guy calmly explaining to all his co-workers that their gender prevented them from being good as good at their jobs as he was, maybe he would have seen the light of day, but now we have driven him into darkness.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Is it? In my experience, the way you actually make prejudiced people less prejudiced is by engaging with them with empathy and patience, exposing them to diverse populations, and leading by example. Public shaming accomplishes none of these things, though I do think it makes people more defensive and insular. Your experience sounds made up.
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horse mans posted:Do you know what asceticism is? The worst path on the tech tree after you get eudaimonic virtues.
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Majorian posted:While I agree in principle, it's also kind of important to publicly and loudly say, "Not okay!" One does have to lay down the line about what's socially acceptable. I don't disagree. There's a pretty big gap between "Not okay!" and "gently caress you, you piece of poo poo."
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Like, in fact, the bigger issue is that people believing this now have a place where they can parachute off to, where they will be given a platform, told to put the dog whistle away, and handed a bullhorn with bullying epithets drawn on the side of it, thanks to years of us saying "Well now, let's try to speak to them on their own terms."
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Welp https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...68ed_story.html
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Not all opinions are equal and/or valid and not all opinions deserve calm, reasoned debate. "Women like people and men like things" is not an opinion worth calmly engaging with. And do you really think this sexist shithead is going to change his mind in a calm, reasoned debate? No. No he's not. He's going to play the same stupid loving high school debate team horse poo poo game that tons of people in this forum love to turn every conversation into.
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Lote posted:COBOL wasn't the first. FORTRAN was developed in the mid 50s by IBM. Hopper published the first compiler in 1952. I don't know of any examples before that. What's sort of interesting about this early stuff is that things that became broadly commercially successful (COBOL and Fortran) have held up far worse than the contemporaries that haven't had quite as much success --- Algol and LISP --- but which got way more stuff right design-wise. Perhaps software complexity was still low enough to make organizational concerns less important?
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/894954486762008576 Hold on to your butts
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Can anyone explain why Trump's approval ratings are going down now? If anything, I thought that the Donald Trump, Jr. meeting would be the thing that did it, together with the Scaramucci debacle. But those seemed to only nudge downwards a little, and we've had a quiet week, so why now? As people who come to this thread frequently, we might be bad people to judge the general public's reaction, because we have been following every little ripple of scandal. It might take longer for things to filter through to people who aren't following things so closely. It could also be that there is a critical mass where pro-Trump views don't get shared as much, and that causes people to not want to defend him. Like, the one guy around the water cooler who was still speaking for him stops, and then people find it acceptable to just admit that he is a failure. My own guess is that he is going to level off and recover a little, before something big happens in late August.
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TheScott2K posted:Your experience sounds made up. Sounds reasonable and considerate to me. But does this dildo deserve that? e- Krispy Kareem posted:Hey, someone else learns how loyal Trump is: lol!
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Azhais posted:Censorship is never the path to enlightenment Not true, you can learn an awful lot about how not to get probated by watching other people being sent to cat jail.
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North Korea really seems to be flying up the tech tree on nukes. I hadn't heard much about their program since like 2003.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/894954486762008576 We're going to have Iraq War x10 and once again not find a trace of any of this made up poo poo they're leaking to the press.
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business hammocks posted:North Korea really seems to be flying up the tech tree on nukes. I hadn't heard much about their program since like 2003. They had help from Russia.
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screamin and creamin posted:What's this even supposed to mean? In any event, COBOL is a language that's universally regarded as a terrible legacy product. Certainly not a good showcase of anything. But even if it would be the greatest programming language in the world, it would just be one example and at best an anecdote. COBOL was one of the first high level languages. Yeah, it has problems. But mainly because it was one of the first languages. Progress is built increment by increment. Someone has to make the mistakes so others can learn from them. And yet that terrible language is still the cornerstone of the entire finance industry 50 years later. Even after investing tens of billions of dollars in failed projects with "better" languages to try and replace it.
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I think Trump and his supporters are hoping for a nuclear attack. It wouldn't hit any part of the country they haven't already demonized as enemies of America, and then Trump would get to push the Big Red Button and enhance his image as a strong man. He would be in the history books forever for more than just being a corrupt and useless piece of poo poo.
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glowing-fish posted:Can anyone explain why Trump's approval ratings are going down now? People are not as stupid as we act. They have the misguided idea that an outsider to Washington will somehow fix things. They are willing to ignore Trumps idiocy because they think he will cut through red tape (that may or may not exist) and address their concerns about their jobs and such. However the GOP's utter failure on healthcare, and trumps complete lack of real effort on the issue are infuriating to the avg GOP voter and they are not going to ignore his antics forever if he is not delivering results.
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TheScott2K posted:We're going to have Iraq War x10 and once again not find a trace of any of this made up poo poo they're leaking to the press. I really hope that's not the case. There were conceivable gains from a war with Iraq (oil, revenge for w), there is very little to even theoretically gain from war with North Korea.
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glowing-fish posted:Can anyone explain why Trump's approval ratings are going down now? imo its that even moderate trump fans are getting sick of how much he tweets about stupid bullshit instead of actually creating policy we like to complain about how the olds and the rurals are getting duped by the GOP propaganda machine but it's increasingly obvious that trump is a big whiner who talks way more than he actually gets things done and this doesn't play well in middle america. he reminds people of the lovely boss that everyone's worked for at some point or another, and the more he fires people the more this is underscored because that's what lovely bosses do
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TheScott2K posted:We're going to have Iraq War x10 and once again not find a trace of any of this made up poo poo they're leaking to the press. Come on, man. Were you alive in the runup to the Iraq war? Do you think that NK's nuclear tests were all made up? edit: You utter moron.
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Burt Buckle posted:I really hope that's not the case. There were conceivable gains from a war with Iraq (oil, revenge for w), there is very little to even theoretically gain from war with North Korea. Doesn't North Korea have a lot of coal mines? Maybe this is part of Trump's plan to bring back coal for all those people who haven't been asking for it and don't want it. Following Rick Perry's economics of flooding the market with coal to create demand?
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Hahaholy poo poo Mozi posted:Come on, man. Were you alive in the runup to the Iraq war? Do you think that NK's nuclear tests were all made up? I think it's reasonable to be skeptical when it comes to North Korea in general.
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This sort of article, about the overwhelming advantage that the 2018 election map gives republicans, as well as the expanding electoral college and senate advantage they’re getting, makes me frustrated for the dems. And it seems to bode very poorly for the Supreme Court as well. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-congressional-map-is-historically-biased-toward-the-gop/ I’d love to hear what some posters here might suggest as the two, four, and eight year strategy for the DNC. I’m much more concerned about this, and the arc of the next twenty years, than who the DNC fields as their national candidate in 2020. It’s obvious why, but shouldn’t the dems really be most concerned about the 2020 census, and the gerrymandering SC decision?
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