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Obviously it's not exactly like Doctor Who, where you can replace the lead actor every four or five years and soft reboot the programme, but I feel that shows like Star Trek or Stargate could conceivably have been kept chugging along for a loooooooong time by rotating the cast as necessary. Wasn't there some chat about doing SG1 as "Stargate Command" after season five or season seven? I think I also heard there was a plan to transform Smallville into Metropolis at some stage which ended up falling through.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I like Frakes and I believe he probably could have kept the show going til season 7, but it probably would have evolved into something much more similar to TOS. Without Picard's measured diplomat at the forefront, Riker would probably have been subtly rewritten as a Kirk analogue with Data becoming even more like Spock and maybe Worf(?) rounding out the trio. I'm not sure you'd have gotten DS9 and Voyager in that timeline. If Riker had become captain Shelby would've stayed on as the new XO, I believe.
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I just watched Move Along Home, I actually don't think the premise is that bad, many cultures value games so a culture that is centered around games isn't that far fetched, it's just too bad that their game sucks. I think I would've handled this better than Sisko, why take them to space roulette when they probably have holographic Deus Ex? If their best game is some boring VR hopscotch cocktail party maze JC Denton would blow their minds and they'd probably sign some treaty and tell them about the Dominion. And why's he pissed at the end? There was no real danger after all and isn't he supposed to be diplomatic? Quark actually straight up mentions holosuite sex in this episode. What if there's a species like the Wadi, but obsessed with loving? All the senior officers await them at the airlock in dress uniforms, introduce themselves and the aliens just blurt out WHERES YOUR PORN Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:(actually a pretty cool use of the holodeck for the plot of this episode, now that I think about it. In fact, is this the first time it's been used an actual practical tool for such a simple purpose? And I mean not in a "let's simulate a fanciful technology" kinda way) "A Matter of Perspective" and "Identity Crisis" both use the holodeck for forensic purposes, to recreate "crime scenes." We can probably assume that most modelling and design is done that way, but who wants to watch that? I do! 
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I think Riker should have left for his own ship at season 4.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think Riker should have left for his own ship at season 4. I would watch Star Trek: Titan even now with old fat Captain Riker
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New Orleans is just one of the only cities that didn't get glassed in 2053
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Arglebargle III posted:I think Riker should have left for his own ship at season 4. The show would have ended when his ship got boarded by the Pakleds.
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Shibawanko posted:Quark actually straight up mentions holosuite sex in this episode. What if there's a species like the Wadi, but obsessed with loving? All the senior officers await them at the airlock in dress uniforms, introduce themselves and the aliens just blurt out WHERES YOUR PORN Sisko, Kira, and two Starfleet admirals standing awkwardly outside the holosuite while angry unearthly sex noises echo through the bar. Quark's grinning from ear to ear ready to offer them towels.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Is there a montage of these? There has to be a montage of these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LnwLn9vnKo
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Just so much sigh. http://trekmovie.com/2017/08/07/les-moonves-tells-cbs-investors-first-six-episodes-of-star-trek-discovery-are-terrific/ quote:We could have put Star Trek on Showtime, on the CBS Television Network or Netflix, Amazon, they all wanted it for a lot of money. We determined that Star Trek would be far better for All Access and will earn us more money. Please, everyone, prove him wrong. Make All-access the failure it should be and have the investors crucify him for passing on a sure thing.
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Mental Hospitality posted:And the crew lounges. I love the idea of a lone ensign going to a completely empty crew lounge and drinking his synthale alone at an empty bar. https://youtu.be/4_vcT0arKB0?t=786
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bull3964 posted:Please, everyone, prove him wrong. Make All-access the failure it should be and have the investors crucify him for passing on a sure thing. CBS is already two steps ahead of all of us when it comes to making this a failure
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After The War posted:"A Matter of Perspective" and "Identity Crisis" both use the holodeck for forensic purposes, to recreate "crime scenes." We can probably assume that most modelling and design is done that way, but who wants to watch that? I think there's a brief scene in Voyager when they're designing the Delta Flyer where they go over different designs in the holodeck.
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ARTICLE Star Trek: Discovery is almost here, and we’re getting a better look at what we can expect out of the new series. One of the most shocking things about the adaptation is the new physical take on the iconic Klingons. They are now bald, have different skin tones, and different costumes. This certainly isn’t the first time the creatures have gotten a makeover, but this one is pretty drastic. So why the big change and how will it affect the show? Apparently, the new look isn’t the only thing that has changed about the species. Klingons will have heightened senses because of their new features According to the designer, Neville Page, the ridges act as extra-sensory receptors on the Klingons’ heads and backs. Per io9, this is because the Klingons are “apex predators” and would need this to make it to the top of the food chain. One of the Klingon actors, Mary Chieffo, went into detail about this new development. "Obviously the hair was the biggest thing people noticed, or the lack thereof. And I will attest to the fact there is a reason my ridge goes back the way it does. There are sensors and pheromones…There is a whole reasoning behind it that is adhering to what has always been true in Klingon canon…So I deeply believe we are in line with what has come before but is also adding a new kind of nuance." Although the franchise is staying strong with its theatrical film releases, it won’t be in the same vein as the new show. So the Klingons are free to look different in the movies from how they will look in the TV series. This will probably help fans not to assume they are in the same universe. /ARTICLE the "different universe" explanation doesn't jive
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So Klingons sniff you out with their shoulders. Excellent.
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I appreciate the attempts at a practical evolutionary explanation for things but you can get away with designing basically any alien and just saying "yeah those features were sexually selected for, they have no function" and be 100% plausible Edit: cosmetic features <  >
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I always assumed they were just a big bony armor plate for head-butting, not one giant ridged nose. The Bajorans have been usurped via retcon.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I appreciate the attempts at a practical evolutionary explanation for things but you can get away with designing basically any alien and just saying "yeah those features were sexually selected for, they have no function" and be 100% plausible Like that alien who has the ability to sense when death is imminent!
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^ ah but he was designed  I never watched Enterprise but did that show suffer from Forehead Of The Week syndrome or did they put more effort in when a new alien race popped up?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:^ ah but he was designed It was still Michael Westmore doing the designs and appliances, so it's pretty much a direct continuation. He did a good job making the Andorians go from dumb to cool, though.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:^ ah but he was designed Well, there were cauliflower people, and mosaic tile people... bony plate people and scar-tissue people... puffy people, scaly people... flaky skin people, cobra neck people... So yes!
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:^ ah but he was designed
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:^ ah but he was designed *biologically determined 
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By the way,After The War posted:We can probably assume that most modelling and design is done that way, but who wants to watch that? I'm not sure how useful this is when the holodeck computer has such artistic license:    
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What in the gently caress is that first one? A Mesopotamian embalming table?
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I assume the holodeck is just cycling though various things in its database rather than making that from scratch. They are probably culturally significant pieces from somewhere or some prop from a holonovel. They could fine tune it from there if they want to.
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They should at least stick a "platonic shape" in there that the computer can stick close to, so you aren't getting a Klingon Painsticking Throne when you ask for a chair to sit in. Edit: I just realized I said "stick" three loving times in a single sentence. What just happened? Brawnfire fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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That's a leftover side effect from when Barclay hooked up his super brain to the ship's computer. Now the computer is basically psychic and can read the crew's minds and knows exactly what they mean when they say a vague phrase like "metal table."
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Are you loving with me computer? *Negative*
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 Robert Beltran at Star Trek Las Vegas. resistance is mew-tile! i'ma gonna need to assimilate that cheezburger Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:By the way, It's just going by user history. Riker outweighs everybody else in the algorithm.
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The Bloop posted:I assume the holodeck is just cycling though various things in its database rather than making that from scratch. Which is why they're all sex dungeon tables.
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shadok posted:Which is why they're all sex dungeon tables. Now that you point this out I am even more convinced, frankly.
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MikeJF posted:If Riker had become captain Shelby would've stayed on as the new XO, I believe. I think that would strongly depend on whether Elizabeth Dennehy was interested in signing up for TNG full-time (and probably also how well she was received in BOBW1).
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I also have to wonder if - barring Stewart just wanting off the show entirely - there would really have been a scenario in which he didn't come back, since even if negotiations broke down over costs, I have to imagine the audience response over letting Patrick Stewart go would have been deafening. Although I guess we shouldn't underestimate Paramount's capacity for shooting themselves in the foot.
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The WWW didn't exist yet but you can still read people's online reactions to the episode today. Here's Tim Lynch's Usenet review of "Best of Both Worlds Part 1" the day it was first broadcast.
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11 year old me was actually really rooting for Picard to be killed off. Back then, I liked Riker as a character better. I had to get older before I appreciated Patrick Stewart more.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I also have to wonder if - barring Stewart just wanting off the show entirely - there would really have been a scenario in which he didn't come back, since even if negotiations broke down over costs, I have to imagine the audience response over letting Patrick Stewart go would have been deafening. It's been a long time since I've read any of the BTS stuff regarding Best of Both Worlds (outside of Piller admitting in Fifty-Year Mission that he had no loving clue how they'd end that cliffhanger when he wrote it, and a couple of guys rightfully bashing the Riker subplot as Piller trying to work out his own issues), but my recollection is that they had always hoped to bring Stewart back in a recurring role as an admiral or something if they couldn't get him full-time. Edit: Also, I don't think Stewart got a significant pay raise or anything, I think he just wanted shorter shooting days; he had already gotten his demand for better uniforms fulfilled.
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Timby posted:It's been a long time since I've read any of the BTS stuff regarding Best of Both Worlds (outside of Piller admitting in Fifty-Year Mission that he had no loving clue how they'd end that cliffhanger when he wrote it, and a couple of guys rightfully bashing the Riker subplot as Piller trying to work out his own issues), but my recollection is that they had always hoped to bring Stewart back in a recurring role as an admiral or something if they couldn't get him full-time. I imagine they could have used the escape hatch they'd written themselves in "Family" where he'd resign from Starfleet to take a scientific role on Earth, so he could come back every so often. seaQuest did a similar thing where Roy Schneider realised how terrible the series had gotten and quit between seasons two and three, but they left the door open for him to come back, which he did later in the season... so there could be a scene where Jonathan Brandis's character slags him off for "not believing in seaQuest".
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