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Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

IcePhoenix posted:

If you're trying to balance classes then one having an a skill cap that's noticeably higher than the other's is an actual design problem you twit. I don't care that it's hard, but why should I bother when I can do just as well or better with half the effort on other classes.

You shouldn't. Play a different class jfc

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IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Control Volume posted:

You shouldn't. Play a different class jfc

I do, but I'd still rather play Dragoon.

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

git dragood

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

I play red mage cause it's perfect for small brained players like myself.

FaintlyQuaint
Aug 19, 2011

The king and his men.
Grimey Drawer

Emalde posted:

It'll likely be back next season, so for now you'll have to suffer solo queue. And it's truly suffering. I imagine once you're out of bronze, the mouthbreathers thin considerably, but the PVP rework has brought in a lot of people who don't grasp the fundamentals of Feast and 4v4 PVP in general and it's a pretty flaccid slapfight until culling time forces a healer to die.

You can't ever get away from the god awful players because you can get to Gold with a like 31% win rate.

And golds can queue into diamond games.

And you can get diamond with like a 48% win rate.

There is no escaping the bad. Ever.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Rainuwastaken posted:

The base potency was boosted. The bonus potency for positional was lowered by the same amount. Nothing has changed if you get it right, and if you goof you lose ever-so-slightly less.

Ah, okay, I misread it.

I guess that's probably good for soloing at least.

Emberfox
Jan 15, 2005

~rero rero rero rero rero
I've been trying out different classes lately, and I really like Samurai, and I've wanted to try Dragoon. This game has way more buttons than I'm used to using in other MMOs, but they all make sense to press, so I'm not bothered by it as much. However, I'm only in Heavensward content, so I'll probably be overwhelmed later.

I assume some of the issues with positionals are alleviated by that True North role ability?

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

True North helps but you're better off learning to only use it when absolutely necessary (certain phases of bosses) than using it on cooldown. There's a sweet spot that you can generally stand in so you barely have to move.

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Colgate posted:

I've been trying out different classes lately, and I really like Samurai, and I've wanted to try Dragoon. This game has way more buttons than I'm used to using in other MMOs, but they all make sense to press, so I'm not bothered by it as much. However, I'm only in Heavensward content, so I'll probably be overwhelmed later.

I assume some of the issues with positionals are alleviated by that True North role ability?

True North is there for points in a fight when mechanics force (or strongly encourage) to stand still on one side of a boss for a long time. Ideally, anybody with positionals should try to stand at the border between the flank and the rear of the enemy's target circle. Basically, look for the spot where the circle changes from thick to narrow. You can then make slight adjustments left or right to satisfy your flank and rear positionals without having to run around too much.

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Yeah, True North is for stuff like when the boss does attacks that cause him to immediately pivot and turn away from the boss to do an attack. Like the first boss in Kugane Castle or something. It's also very nice for solo combat. I remember somehow I was a NIN and I was tanking the Humbaba FATE in The Peaks while some poor healer was going mad trying to keep me alive. Being able to still add Trick Attack was p helpful.

I got a couple questions:

1) Are there any serious Feast groups? I know literally nothing about The Feast, but it sounds neat and PvP is really fun lately, so I'd like to give it a go.
2) What's the Moonfaire giving out this year?

Red Red Blue
Feb 11, 2007



SonicRulez posted:


2) What's the Moonfaire giving out this year?

Dyeable shisui set

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Red Red Blue posted:

Dyeable shisui set

Also a pretty nice portrait for housing and a music thing.

Bleu
Jul 19, 2006

Control Volume posted:

You shouldn't. Play a different class jfc

Anyone who has played the johnfuckingmadden of dragoon and its 25 oGCDs with five-hit combos is going to line up to tell you to gently caress off, and it looks like I'm first up!

apostateCourier
Oct 9, 2012


Bleu posted:

Anyone who has played the johnfuckingmadden of dragoon and its 25 oGCDs with five-hit combos is going to line up to tell you to gently caress off, and it looks like I'm first up!

It's great and I love it.

Truth Quark
Mar 21, 2010

:ffg:
EAT THE DONUTS
:ffg:
Welcome to Excalibur, we are a hard working server

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
The Feast season 5 has begun!! And i guess there's no party queue and there's still no ranking decay, so the feast season 5 has already ended!!

exciting times for pvp

potaties
Apr 8, 2005

meow meow
I'm liking DRG better than before for Expert because of the sonic thrust +10s change, but overall I tend to just tank it or go on BLM cause I get mad when the tank takes 15s to do a /countdown 10 on the boss and I lose my eyes and get mad about my pathetic damage loss. I miss HW DRG and it's huge numbers.

Brainamp
Sep 4, 2011

More Zen than Zenyatta

Minrad posted:

The Feast season 5 has begun!! And i guess there's no party queue and there's still no ranking decay, so the feast season 5 has already ended!!

exciting times for pvp

What was the prize for this season anyways?

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


I play DRG because I want to RP as Estinien that's really the only reason.

SonicRulez
Aug 6, 2013

GOTTA GO FIST
Do most people just do their weekly Omega runs with their static or does everyone just DF it at their leisure? I'm curious, cause I've been forced to do the latter this summer and even the former feels like it would be a drag. Granted, I can recognize that I've had a pretty good go at Omega. I only need 1 more shaft to be done with the loot bit of it. FAR better than I had with the last tier of Alexander. I think I never actually managed enough shafts.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

I don't think most people have statics

isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you
Guested with a static on week 1, PFed for the rest of the shafts, then switched to DF once most PF entries switched to Savage. It's been about the same experience I had for Gordias.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

So what the heck is the rationale behind ranked Feast being solo only? Were people complaining that premades were unfair?

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

The only time I do omega normal with my static is when some of us happen to be doing it at the same time so we just queue together. At this point it's pretty rare to get a group through DF that can't clear anything in a couple attempts.

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


IcePhoenix posted:

The only time I do omega normal with my static is when some of us happen to be doing it at the same time so we just queue together. At this point it's pretty rare to get a group through DF that can't clear anything in a couple attempts.

The reasoning is more to limit the total number of runs needed to get your drop rather than a fear of wipes. That said, I think few people with savage statics bother running normal together. FC party runs are definitely a thing though.

Bleu
Jul 19, 2006

Most statics don't care because the crafted gear is easier and better. :shrug:

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc
Can I get some critiques on my WAR opener? Trying to work something out that gives me a decent threat lead + gets me into 6 cleaves soon-ish. I've been doing something similar live, but haven't tried to formalize it until now & haven't really seen any pulling meta.

http://ffxivrotations.com/z9x

Nancy fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Aug 8, 2017

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

Brainamp posted:

What was the prize for this season anyways?

weapon and armor models that dont exist yet

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.

Fister Roboto posted:

So what the heck is the rationale behind ranked Feast being solo only? Were people complaining that premades were unfair?

people were wintrading, therefore instead of punishing the wintrades or addressing the issue, nobody gets to group queue.

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
if you can't win in solo queue you're right where you belong anyway hth

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
like 90 percent of the pvp OF is what i can only imagine to be thumbless degenerates complaining about being trapped in silver elo hell

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
hell, why even let people form statics. all raids should be done via duty finder to properly respect the content imo.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


People were win trading in Omega???

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
Alright Exdeath, in exchange for letting you kill us we want two chests with nothing but shafts in them ok?

DANGIT EXDEATH THIS WAS NOT IN THE AGREEMENT

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
Dinked around with MCH some more. Patche was basically the morphine to a terminal cancer patient. Yeah, it hurts less, but you've still got terminal cancer.

4.1 loving when, Yoshi-P?

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011

Vargatron posted:

People were win trading in Omega???

i mean, there hasn't been ranked pvp on Omega before today, so there wouldn't have been a huge demand for it, but there were almost invariably people who win-traded who transferred to Omega, yeah

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Dinked around with MCH some more. Patche was basically the morphine to a terminal cancer patient. Yeah, it hurts less, but you've still got terminal cancer.

4.1 loving when, Yoshi-P?

gonna guess early september since they'll be showing off 4.1 stuff in the anniversary stream towards the end of the month

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Dinked around with MCH some more. Patche was basically the morphine to a terminal cancer patient. Yeah, it hurts less, but you've still got terminal cancer.

4.1 loving when, Yoshi-P?

If these last two patches were their ideas of making the class better, I wonder what 4.1 will bring

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


4.1 Class Changes

Mechanist

Reload now requires a reagent. Reagent is a 3* Armorer craft (specialist required).

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SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
I don't even know, they can't even put the job back to how it was at the end of HW, because there are no buff cooldowns to cc anymore.

Basically what I'm saying is expect more heartbreak.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Aug 8, 2017

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