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spacetoaster posted:What the hell makes joe rogan right at all? He's all about some very left policies. Also very left on social issues too. he started having lots of alt right dudes on the show. he doesnt do much pushback and basically gives them a big platform. he had milo on several time sbefore the pedo thing and basically treated him as if he were some kind of wacky comedian whose schtick is just being right wing like youre not going to explore the issues with joe. joe might be like "well couldnt some people interpret it this way?' a few times and then lets them go on about ghostbusters with girls being proof that society is giving in to encroaching sharia law or poo poo i udnno
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spacetoaster posted:What the hell makes joe rogan right at all? He's all about some very left policies. Also very left on social issues too. wanting to legalize weed isnt a soley leftist policy. plenty of ancaps want that too.
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Admiral Ray posted:joe is, uh, very open to having actual real pieces of poo poo that happen to be stuffed in human skin on his show. From what I've seen that's true about both sides. I saw the dude from infowars get drunk and high on the show and rant about space goblins.
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spacetoaster posted:What the hell makes joe rogan right at all? He's all about some very left policies. Also very left on social issues too. he's a cornerstone figure of the "caring way too much about what white male standup comedians think about politics, culture, and economics" movement, which may as well be a perfectly overlapping venn diagram w/ libertarianism and the alt-right see also: south park, opie and anthony, etc
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Darkman Fanpage posted:wanting to legalize weed isnt a soley leftist policy. plenty of ancaps want that too. What about universal basic income? That doesn't seem very right wing.
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spacetoaster posted:What the hell makes joe rogan right at all? He's all about some very left policies. Also very left on social issues too. To clarify, what I mean is that he's been having way more people from the right on his show lately. In the past ~6 months he's had on Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, Gavin McInnes, Jordan Peterson, Sargon of Akkad, and Ben Shapiro. I'm not sure how his politics have shifted, but he's been obsessing over SJWs and "free speech".
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Aug 8, 2017 23:32
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Coolness Averted posted:it used to women got str penalties and char bonuses I wonder if anyone's gone after Bethesda for that. They literally give different stats based on whether you're Italian, British, Scandinavian, or a Black Dude.
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Ghostship posted:To clarify, what I mean is that he's been having way more people from the right on his show lately. In the past ~6 months he's had on Alex Jones, Steven Crowder, Gavin McInnes, Jordan Peterson, Sargon of Akkad, and Ben Shapiro. I'm not sure how his politics have shifted, but he's been obsessing over SJWs and "free speech". I only scan rogan's youtube thing, but didn't he make crowder cry? And I already said he got alex drunk/high and let him make a fool of himself.
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lol "why is the guy who let crowder on to verbally poo poo up his podcast, and didn't pushback on anything -until he dared besmirch drugs considered alt-right?" -a question asked in this thread he also apologized for being mean to crowder sooo yeah gently caress Joe Rogan. He's just a dumb meathead but he's way out of his league and helping to normalize some dangerous and bad things. Like I don't wanna exile him to the education camps, but dude needs to come with me out to the woods and we'll do some DMT and talk about how what he's doing is not cool and hurting folks.
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joe rogan also does not think things through about how having a platform that reaches millions might have any impact whatsoever so its not like hes doing it on purpose when i used to listen to it (i stopped for multiple reasons politics being one) one of the most telling moments he had was when he museda bout the time he had on a doctor who claimed HIV didnt cause AIDS. he was like "yeah i got a lot of mail about that one. in retrospect i probably should have had another doctor do a quick rebuttal at the end of the show." like yeah no poo poo joe.
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spacetoaster posted:What about universal basic income? That doesn't seem very right wing. he might not be a rightest per say but he certaibly gives quite the platform for their to get their views out. he's had gavin, he's had milo. he's also had crowder on and mad him try when he made fun of him for saying weed should be illgal, but the fact he gives these idiots so much air time to soew their bullshit is damning enough that he might as well be one of them even if he doesnt precisely agree with them. how many leftist guests has he had on?
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Before I start a shitstorm with some friends: weren't CS gender ratios super unbalanced towards women in the 80s? That's what my mom's experience was at Cornell. I was under the impression it kinda shifted in the 90s when people realized there was money in it. I don't have stats on it though.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I wonder if anyone's gone after Bethesda for that. They literally give different stats based on whether you're Italian, British, Scandinavian, or a Black Dude. it's not as pronounced since they only have skill stats now, rather than qualities like intelligence
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Coolness Averted posted:what he's doing is not cool and hurting folks. What, specifically, has hurt someone that he's done? Darkman Fanpage posted:how many leftist guests has he had on? I have no idea. I would assume a lot of the comedian types would be pretty left.
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they're not. comedians are not politically savvy people as a whole.
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somebody on these forums described rogan as so open-minded that his brain is constantly in danger of falling out, which I think is a pretty good description, and people like that are extremely loving useful to fascists (who, as this thread is like 50% about, love to take aggressive propaganda and play it off as subversive comedy or "just asking innocent questions")
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spacetoaster posted:What about universal basic income? That doesn't seem very right wing. libertarians are down AF with UBI, which is much closer to Rogan's views than say leftist stuff. The thing is they view UBI as the trade off for rolling back the rest of the safety net or labor laws (if you don't wanna work in the dangerous factory, you don't have to anymore! Bring back freedom of contract!) where as the leftist wants it as part of an expanded safety net spacetoaster posted:What, specifically, has hurt someone that he's done? I'm pretty sure giving a platform to an HIV denier on a podcast with lots of listeners, and helping to normalize the alt-right is bad. Or are you going to pull a "But like, link me to the obituary of the person Joe murdered?" in which case you got me! Coolness Averted has issued a correction as of 23:43 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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StashAugustine posted:Before I start a shitstorm with some friends: weren't CS gender ratios super unbalanced towards women in the 80s? That's what my mom's experience was at Cornell. I was under the impression it kinda shifted in the 90s when people realized there was money in it. I don't have stats on it though. This is something you could easily solve with google. Women CS graduate rates sharply dropped in the late 80s and early 90s. They were never high to begin with (with about 1/3 of the degree holders being women at peak)
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StashAugustine posted:Before I start a shitstorm with some friends: weren't CS gender ratios super unbalanced towards women in the 80s? That's what my mom's experience was at Cornell. I was under the impression it kinda shifted in the 90s when people realized there was money in it. I don't have stats on it though. Yes. They were imbalanced pretty much from the beginning of CS as a thing. edit: i guess this depends on when you define CS as a thing though, so whatever.
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also replaying skyrim now, it reads as a hilarious parody of trump and the alt-right; it's kind of amazing
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Darkman Fanpage posted:they're not. comedians are not politically savvy people as a whole. That's pretty much how I view rogan, and people on his channel. It's also why I don't really understand the upset about what he says/does. He's a musclehead funnyman. Who cares what he thinks?
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:They were never high to begin with (with about 1/3 of the degree holders being women at peak) I mean sure, but I would guess that actually compares pretty evenly or favorably to a lot of disciplines that weren't traditionally-female like nursing and education in the 60s and 70s spacetoaster posted:He's a musclehead funnyman. Who cares what he thinks? I don't know. Ask the stupid dickheads who care what he or his guests think, they're the people we're fretting about
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spacetoaster posted:That's pretty much how I view rogan, and people on his channel. he's an idiot giving lots of opportunities to vicious people to air their views
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Coolness Averted posted:The thing is they view UBI as the trade off for rolling back the rest of the safety net or labor laws (if you don't wanna work in the dangerous factory, you don't have to anymore! Bring back freedom of contract!) where as the leftist wants it as part of an expanded safety net That is a good explanation. 
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wizard on a water slide posted:I mean sure, but I would guess that actually compares pretty evenly or favorably to a lot of disciplines that weren't traditionally-female like nursing and education in the 60s and 70s Instead of guessing and accepting your confabulations as truth, maybe try... Googling it? 
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Instead of guessing and accepting your confabulations as truth, maybe try... Googling it? fascinating, it reveals my exact loving point, which is that female representation in cs was competitive with other academic disciplines clearly I should guess more
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StashAugustine posted:Before I start a shitstorm with some friends: weren't CS gender ratios super unbalanced towards women in the 80s? That's what my mom's experience was at Cornell. I was under the impression it kinda shifted in the 90s when people realized there was money in it. I don't have stats on it though. The stat i like the most is that like 45% of all math and statistics bachelors conferred in the US goes to women. That's the one I like to bring up the most when dudebros try to say "well maybe women aren't comfortable with fields that have direct and absolute answers!" If you ever wanna take a gander at them for 2011-2012, they are here on this giant chart: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_318.30.asp I found the other tables for updated years before but gently caress that right now.
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There's also this handy thing which reveals that wow dudes are really really really discouraged from nursing n poo poo.  http://www.randalolson.com/2014/06/14/percentage-of-bachelors-degrees-conferred-to-women-by-major-1970-2012/
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Joe Rogan once had Les Stroud on and they both got shithouse drunk and Stroud started dunking on Bear Grylls and I thought it was great. Otherwise I've had no experience with Joe Rogan.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Instead of guessing and accepting your confabulations as truth, maybe try... Googling it? i think what happened was women discovered cs is inhabited by the nerdiest of basement dwelling sociopaths and ran the gently caress away. remember that male nerd culture really started coming into its own in the 80s and 90s.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Joe Rogan once had Les Stroud on and they both got shithouse drunk and Stroud started dunking on Bear Grylls and I thought it was great. Otherwise I've had no experience with Joe Rogan. ive always been a bigger stroud fan because the premise of his show was (from what the audience could see, no knowing if he cheated) just him and his camera equipment in the wild. also he didnt kill critters without a good reason or constantly drink his own piss while telling everybody how he was in the sas.
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Montasque posted:The far-right have weaponized post-modernism, even though they claim they are fighting it. "Fake news"
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spacetoaster posted:What the hell makes joe rogan right at all? He's all about some very left policies. Also very left on social issues too. Joey has a lot of right wing culture warriors on his show, and to be fair to him he does push back on them more than any other platform they'd ever be on - but he never balances this out by having prominent left wingers or socialists on.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:ive always been a bigger stroud fan because the premise of his show was (from what the audience could see, no knowing if he cheated) just him and his camera equipment in the wild. also he didnt kill critters without a good reason or constantly drink his own piss while telling everybody how he was in the sas. Stroud made an interesting show that showcased actual survival skills and he only stopped because that poo poo was legit destroying his body. I once saw Grylls suggest that a good emergency source of fluid in the savannah regions of Africa was to squeeze it out of elephant poo poo, which is an excellent way to die.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i think what happened was women discovered cs is inhabited by the nerdiest of basement dwelling sociopaths and ran the gently caress away. remember that male nerd culture really started coming into its own in the 80s and 90s. This is pretty close to what I believe, although I think there's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem. In particular, marketing narrative for computers in the 80s heavily shifted toward them being a toy for boys. This drew in a disproportionate amount of men that created a cesspit, and the feedback loop has never recovered. Regardless, understanding that graph is pivotal to understanding why that Googler's manifesto isn't just morally reprehensible, it's factually incorrect garbage. The trajectory for CS majors does not move like something finding its natural steady state based on genetic biases.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:ive always been a bigger stroud fan because the premise of his show was (from what the audience could see, no knowing if he cheated) just him and his camera equipment in the wild. also he didnt kill critters without a good reason or constantly drink his own piss while telling everybody how he was in the sas. Stroud was super gnarly because he had to carry his own camera and equipment wherever the gently caress he went, then climb to some stupid area and take a shot, then go back and get the camera.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Joey has a lot of right wing culture warriors on his show, and to be fair to him he does push back on them more than any other platform they'd ever be on - but he never balances this out by having prominent left wingers or socialists on. I'm not really defending Joe, he's said some pretty dumb things, but I don't think he's ever pretended to be anything other than an idiot comedian with opinions.
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Coolness Averted posted:it used to women got str penalties and cha bonuses -and in some additional supplements the game broke down charisma and comeliness as separate stats, because giving women a bonus to personality didn't make as much sense as just making them hot! Well yeah, I'm always the first to say fantasy is fascist, I was just pointing out that in modern editions of D&D the genders are mechanically equal.
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Also may as well repost the Zero Books series on Jordan Peterson's ideas and why they're wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QFZWXtEwLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FucMhEKKgc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGld3FbDY6s
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spacetoaster posted:I'm not really defending Joe, he's said some pretty dumb things, but I don't think he's ever pretended to be anything other than an idiot comedian with opinions. Again, the problem isn't Joe himself but what he exposes his audience to, and when it comes to the show's political content there's a major imbalance in favor of reactionary internet stars.
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