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AriadneThread posted:would nuclear winter counter-act global warming No, it would just do the same thing but faster. Also it's unlikely that nuclear winter would be as severe or widespread as people believe, most modern nuclear weapons aren't designed to ground burst and wouldn't kick up the kind of debris necessary for that. The radiation would do a number on everything though, and water contamination would likely be catastrophic from even a small-scale exchange.
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botany posted:yes, I do, that's actually sort of my point. we've seen the exact same kind of rhetoric from all sides since the 50s, along with warnings that nuclear war was just around the corner. meanwhile, the EU and russia have progressively become more and more integrated economically, and the big scary war hasn't happened. which european country has an interest in starting a military confrontation with russia in your mind? Which countries have gotten away with invading multiple foreign countries, intervening in other countries domestic policies continuously and effectively, and have generally been unaccountable. I can think of two... maybe three. They all have something in common. You are acting like Russia hasn't been aggressive and provocative since the 50's but they have been and for some reason they suffer no consequences for their actions. Weird. Boon fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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It's funny how quickly Kim Jong-Il escalated. Trump: "blah blah fire and fury if we're threatened again" Jong-Il: "lol we're gonna hit Guam"
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Your Taint posted:It's funny how quickly Kim Jong-Il escalated. Not least as he's dead.
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Stairmaster posted:Only temporarily, once the cooling period ended there'd be a period of rapid warming that would put the global temperature above what it currently is. Then we just drop a large block of ice in the ocean every could years... solving the problem forever. FOREVER!
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Your Taint posted:What can he do? Congress has the power to declare war, but it hasn't done so since WWII. VIetnam, Iraq, Afghanistan have all been Presidential actions. Ron Paul was right, declare war or don't do anything. This precedent has been set for a while now for this nitwit to do something without congress declaring war.
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botany posted:says who? the EU has substantive energy deals with russia, and there is no political will to confront russia militarily in the EU. Frankly I am not convinced the little EU did wasn't based largely on their obligations to Ukraine for giving up nuclear weapons, which is of course directly related to Russia having them. It wasn't even clear for a while that France wouldn't go ahead with sales of helicopter carriers and a lot of tank parts to Russia despite what happened and them being a co-signer of Budapest Memorandum.
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Boon posted:Which countries have gotten away with invading multiple foreign countries, intervening in other countries domestic policies continuously and effectively, and generally been unaccountable. when do you think economic integration between the EU and russia started, especially with respect to the energy sector? also my claim here is that there is no political will to risk a conflict with russia, even outside of nukes. i'm not sure how your point is disproving that.
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OddObserver posted:Frankly I am not convinced the little EU did wasn't based largely on their obligations to Ukraine for giving up nuclear weapons, which is of course directly related to Russia having them. france and germany both get massive amounts of energy from russia. that has nothing to do with russian nukes and everything with their own energy economies.
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 The missles are flying. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
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botany posted:france and germany both get massive amounts of energy from russia. that has nothing to do with russian nukes and everything with their own energy economies. Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream Poland and other Eastern European countries were not happy with this.
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botany posted:when do you think economic integration between the EU and russia started, especially with respect to the energy sector? also my claim here is that there is no political will to risk a conflict with russia, even outside of nukes. i'm not sure how your point is disproving that. I'd have to go back and re-read how we got here because it's possible we're talking past one another. My point is that a nuclear NK dramatically changes how they interact on the peninsula and history is plentiful with examples of why, including Russia. Economic ties only elevate the barriers to war, they don't prevent it. I'm also implying that in your argument that 'there is no political will' to fight a war with Russia in the EU, fundamental to that lack of will is an asymmetry in nuclear capabilities - including Russia's tactical nuclear stockpile and threats to deploy/employ. E: I don't think I disagree with the main thrust of your point, just nit-picky items. Sorry man. Boon fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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i keep getting this ad showing korea being attacked by aliens seems in kind of poor taste right now
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if korea is allowed into the do-whatever-you-want-club it could be the end of the world. they will destabilize the middle east, destroy 3rd-world countries with free market capitalism and repeal obamacare edit: and drone-strike weddings
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Enigma89 posted:Relevant: yeah, that's one of the reasons the EU is very unhappy with the recent US sanctions against russia. Boon posted:I'd have to go back and re-read how we got here because it's possible we're talking past one another. My point is that a nuclear NK dramatically changes how they interact on the peninsula and history is plentiful with examples of why, including Russia. yeah i get the feeling we're not really disagreeing here, this might just be a failure to communicate. sorry if i was unclear at any point.
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harry truman announces the bombing of hiroshima: https://www.c-span.org/video/?294914-1/president-truman-speech-bombing-hiroshima 72 years ago and two days ago
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So...when can we expect another tweet from Trump that either presses forward or backs down on today's confrontation?
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/cafedotcom/status/895024223244009474
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Grouchio posted:So...when can we expect another tweet from Trump that either presses forward or backs down on today's confrontation? I'd have to look at the Fox News schedule
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Grouchio posted:So...when can we expect another tweet from Trump that either presses forward or backs down on today's confrontation? If he backs down it'll just be silence.
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Grouchio posted:So...when can we expect another tweet from Trump that either presses forward or backs down on today's confrontation? Maybe a Tweet that mentions both North Korea and Rosie O'Donnell. This is the President.
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So this is at least the third time that everyone in this thread has been convinced that World War 3 was starting in a matter of hours. I'm sure it'll happen this time.
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Trump has whipped it out. He's not going to put it away.
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QuoProQuid posted:harry truman announces the bombing of hiroshima: Huh, and Trump is about that old. It only took a lifetime to forget such horror.
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Comstar posted:As opposed to the nightmare scenario for the GOP where Trump won? We've already been there and done that in this timeline! If there's a serious challenger to Trump, I'd consider voting for them in the primaries
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Ague Proof posted:The guy from the Apprentice with the weird hair should be president. Apparently
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Tir McDohl posted:Huh, and Trump is about that old. It only took a lifetime to forget such horror. In a few hours, it'll be 72 years since a fat man devastated Asia.
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ponzicar posted:So this is at least the third time that everyone in this thread has been convinced that World War 3 was starting in a matter of hours. I'm sure it'll happen this time. im not convinced of anything, except that a north korea with nuclear missiles is bad and the sabre-rattling isn't helping the situation
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Ague Proof posted:In a few hours, it'll be 72 years since a fat man devastated Asia. Boy, that's unsettling.
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We're going to nuclear war? gently caress it. I'm drunker than an offensive Irish sterotype on St. Patrick's Day. If you're going to turn me into ash, do it now.
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Grouchio posted:So...when can we expect another tweet from Trump that either presses forward or backs down on today's confrontation? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/308404319030489088
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Covok posted:We're going to nuclear war? Yes. Peace will be upon us soon, friend. The circle will be unbroken.
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I just wanna point out that those poor fuckers in Guam don't get citizenship at birth and can't vote they literally had no choice about this http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/06/05/american_samoa_the_only_place_in_the_u_s_where_citizenship_isn_t_granted.html
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I am not one to think we're going to nuclear war. That said, I'm fairly sure that there will be at minimum a strike on North Korea before the year is out.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I just wanna point out that those poor fuckers in Guam don't get citizenship at birth and can't vote guam isn't america samoa. citizens of guam get u.s. citizenship at birth
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Boon posted:I am not one to think we're going to nuclear war. That would cause a nuclear war.
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QuoProQuid posted:guam isn't america samoa? they get citizenship at birth curse you for quoting me before I went back and edited my post to hide my stupidity curse you and your lightning fingers
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I just wanna point out that those poor fuckers in Guam don't get citizenship at birth and can't vote They do get citizenship at birth though. Your link literally says so. Look. quote:As my colleague Mark Joseph Stern explained recently, anyone born in the other four unincorporated U.S. territories—Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands—automatically becomes a citizen.
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What we really need is a President that tells it like it is and will run the country like a business! 
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Stairmaster posted:That would cause a nuclear war. They'd certainly try, yes. It's at a point right now where the US, strategically, has no options with its allies it is obligated to protect and as the months go by, there is less of a capability to do so.
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