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what do I have to do to join your caucus aside from wholly agree with you?
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what is a libertarian socialist
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bump_fn posted:what is a libertarian socialist
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bump_fn posted:what is a libertarian socialist Anti-authoritarian Marxists, not quite anarchists though. Hella opposed to poo poo like the USSR, Stalinism, Leninism, and Maoism. They're good assed people who have more skin in the game than your lifestylist anarchos
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bump_fn posted:what is a libertarian socialist edit: Old school Anarchist, basically. Peter Kropotkin, Murray Bookchin, etc are good intro reading into the actual ideology (it is deeper than "wooo punk rock, no rules")
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Aug 9, 2017 01:30
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they need a name that doesn't just sound like two opposite philosophies smushed ytogether
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bump_fn posted:they need a name that doesn't just sound like two opposite philosophies smushed ytogether America has it's own dumb assed version of a libertarian just like it thinks "liberal" = "good", the rest of the world has a pretty decent conception of what a libertarian is.
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god drat it libertarian was our word first 
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bump_fn posted:what is a libertarian socialist An anarchist who's worked through their teenage angst and read a book or two.
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Loving Life Partner posted:America has it's own dumb assed version of a libertarian just like it thinks "liberal" = "good", the rest of the world has a pretty decent conception of what a libertarian is. ya. "Libertarian" means lib-soc/an-soc outside of the anglosphere, and was the original meaning
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america is good at one thing and that's kill minorities and invading sovereign soil and worshipping the rich and ruining a word for some nerd
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So is there like a Christian Socialist branch? Just asking.
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isn't Scott Adams a libertarian rename what Americans think libertarianism is as dilbertarian
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bump_fn posted:they need a name that doesn't just sound like two opposite philosophies smushed ytogether "An"caps are free to switch to propertarian. quote:They're good assed people who have more skin in the game than your lifestylist anarchos I know it's cool to assume they're inherently going to be assholes but a lot of people who get called lifestylists still get good politics over time and get that it's not really like, the heart of revolutionary praxis. Also libcoms definitely include a lot of anarchists considering it's literally part of the title of a few major anarchist texts, esp. the Platform.
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Crowsbeak posted:So is there like a Christian Socialist branch? Just asking. Most Christian and Catholic socialists are good as hell, read up on liberation theology. (gently caress to tradcaths though) Agnosticnixie posted:
Haha, yeah I know they're comrades, I just give them poo poo for being wrapped up in the end game.
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christian socalism's probably older than marxism and it's absolutely good as hell
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prosperity gospel is the only religion in america hth
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TomViolence posted:christian socalism's probably older than marxism and it's absolutely good as hell And Gracchus Baboeuf died before Marx was born; there aren't exactly unbroken eternal traditions but yeah some are okay.
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bump_fn posted:isn't Scott Adams a libertarian
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SEX HAVER 40000 posted:what do I have to do to join your caucus aside from wholly agree with you? iirc chickenoftomorrow posted a link that i joined through. It was a "pre-convention interest check" so i don't know if that way is still valid. Also the conversations behind their official statement were also v good
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Minty posted:iirc chickenoftomorrow posted a link that i joined through. It was a "pre-convention interest check" so i don't know if that way is still valid. Yes the LSC is cool and good
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gently caress. marry. t-rex posted:a lot of park rangers are huge assholes just btw, its a lot of people who couldnt make it as cops, and then some really cool burn out hippies and stuff lol MrWilderheap posted:If we're speculating about what sort of law enforcement would be around in a socialist utopia, might as well go full sci-fi. I like how Iain Banks handled it in the Culture series. There are no prisons, and if someone completely sadistic comes along they get a robot assigned to them that just follows them around and prevents them from hurting anyone. Let's get working on the socialist singularity, people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbiUfqPrDiY
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Crowsbeak posted:So is there like a Christian Socialist branch? Just asking. If there isn't yet there's definitely a lot of potential members for one in the broader membership.
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TIL that the 1934 general strike which shut down San Francisco included the police union. I don't have a plan to get there, but I really, really want to see that happen again in my lifetime.Impermanent posted:Although, we should really be organizing in and around Laredo more than Austin. I think this is the essence of the DSA's challenge: locals are undiverse because they don't give enough direct and practical assistance to oppressed people in local communities. It's like, run a food bank, dang.
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Just came back from likely the last organizing meeting for the Tulsa DSA before we get together as a chapter. I was really surprised at what a great group of people we had interested and putting together and there was a lot of great ideas about how to get involved locally, with everyone bringing their expertise and network with them. I think that's where the DSA will be able to do the most good in direct action, especially in rural places like this.
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Crowsbeak posted:So is there like a Christian Socialist branch? Just asking. There's a christian socialism national working group and many chapters have one as well - check out the site. There's a link to it at the bottom of the front page.
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Grimoire posted:edit: Old school Anarchist, basically. Peter Kropotkin, Murray Bookchin, etc are good intro reading into the actual ideology (it is deeper than "wooo punk rock, no rules") Are they opposed to punk rock?
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empireofcrime posted:Yeah, I liked them already, but this makes them even better. I really wish Austin and National could've had less unnecessarily diplomatic statements about the situation, given that it's clear the guy misrepresented himself in the way he did. is it clear? hopefully the npc releases a biography of danny fetonte and makes everyone read it
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I know Sac DSA is either straight running candidates or at least endorsing people for the various city and suburb governments. That's what the other branches should do IMO. I'm trying to figure out who's going to run for the eligible county supervisor board seat in my own county. Even if it's probably ultimately pointless if nothing else it builds experience for future election teams and also a resume to convince brain damaged qualification types that leftist candidates are serious
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TomViolence posted:The Soviet Union is pretty instructive for lessons on what not to do when you're building the socialist society of the future. nationalities policy in the present-day united states should be a carbon copy of soviet nationalities policy with the names all changed around also i defy anyone to read the soviet constitution and, regardless of how they thought it shook out in reality, not think it kicks insanely rear end
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Are they opposed to punk rock? They got into punk through anarchism instead of into anarchism through punk
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jarofpiss posted:is it clear? hopefully the npc releases a biography of danny fetonte and makes everyone read it People at the convention who voted for him and others that looked at this bio and materials provided for the election seem pretty pissed since in no part of it did he indicate that he worked for CLEAT. It is also clear that he worked for CLEAT at one time or another since his name comes up in what appears to be an official capacity in the org. Austin members also admitted to knowing he had worked for CLEAT before and as said before, he didn't make it clear that he worked for the org in his election materials(he was very specific with other unions he had worked for, but was for some reason vague and mentioned organizing for "state workers". his candidate bio for the convention: https://dsaconvention.org/npc/candidate/danny-fetonte/
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empireofcrime posted:People at the convention who voted for him and others that looked at this bio and materials provided for the election seem pretty pissed since in no part of it did he indicate that he worked for CLEAT. It is also clear that he worked for CLEAT at one time or another since his name comes up in what appears to be an official capacity in the org. Austin members also admitted to knowing he had worked for CLEAT before and as said before, he didn't make it clear that he worked for the org in his election materials(he was very specific with other unions he had worked for, but was for some reason vague and mentioned organizing for "state workers". he did organize for state workers, he literally helped develop the texas state employees union (no cops). i know people are pissed that they think he did this on purpose but i actually know the man and i think it was a failure of his ideology to identify a contentious thing and not a deliberate obfuscation. i know national asked us not to do this online but i really wish people actually knew about this guy's 40 year history because people seem to only think he was a police organizer. this guy is a real rear end labor organizer that is being pulled in the correct direction by DSA, not a marxist intellectual that would have understood the role of cops. i think he has a hell of a lot to offer the DSA and i'm worried he's gonna be crucified because of twitter.com
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R. Guyovich posted:nationalities policy in the present-day united states should be a carbon copy of soviet nationalities policy with the names all changed around one should always defend the revolutions, but they need not defend the state that succeeded them imo
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i also didn't know about the CLEAT thing but after thinking about it really danny only did 1 more thing wrong than stalin
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TomViolence posted:one should always defend the revolutions, but they need not defend the state that succeeded them imo it's worth defending the things we like in them. blanket dismissing the history of actually existing socialism leaves us with no positive politics besides some weaksauce social democracies
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jarofpiss posted:he did organize for state workers, he literally helped develop the texas state employees union (no cops). i know people are pissed that they think he did this on purpose but i actually know the man and i think it was a failure of his ideology to identify a contentious thing and not a deliberate obfuscation. i know national asked us not to do this online but i really wish people actually knew about this guy's 40 year history because people seem to only think he was a police organizer. this guy is a real rear end labor organizer that is being pulled in the correct direction by DSA, not a marxist intellectual that would have understood the role of cops. i think he has a hell of a lot to offer the DSA and i'm worried he's gonna be crucified because of twitter.com Don't know what to tell you man, you know him and I'm sure people in Austin are impressed with him, and I'm sure he's done a lot of good, but the association with CLEAT plus him leaving it out is too far. CLEAT is hosed up and bad news and given his history as a labor organizer he should know better.
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like the abolition of homelessness and unemployment is a really big deal, and a success not seen in any capitalist country. maximizing rent payments at 5 percent of income (gdr, ussr, cuba's like 9 iirc) is objectively good. establishing a nationwide cooperative system, also worth emulating.
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something something purity tests
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I reckon Cuba is an amazing case of socialism working as intended. When you take what came before, the mafia-financed brothel-state Bautista ran for American power, and compare it to what they've built since, I think even marxism-leninism - which I have a great many problems with - can be at least partially redeemed. And all this while embargoed by their nearest neighbour, the most powerful empire the world has ever seen. Yes, their rate of incarceration is troubling. Yes, the treatment of homosexuals (which even El Caballo has acknowledged and apologised for) is definitely problematic. But I reckon the effective abolition of homelessness and the enviable healthcare coverage that gives Cuba, a third world nation under embargo, a comparable life expectancy to the RICHEST drat COUNTRY IN THE WORLD gives Cuba some latitude in declaring itself a socialist success and one of the ephemeral and unicorn-like Good Examples. Like, I don't want any state, but a socialist state is massively preferable to a capitalist one, however many privileges you bolt onto a first-world capitalist existence and however many authoritarian accessories you give a third world socialist regime.
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