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Aug 9, 2017 04:44
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11 hits on Essex and it's not already down? drat.
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Aug 9, 2017 04:45
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Torpedo hits tend to be more damaging to ships, since it puts holes below the waterline, but 11 bomb hits puts a sinking within the realm of possibility, especially since it's not a battleship. Grey, please put the Ryujo on Cruise Speed setting so that it doesn't sink itself on the way back.
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Aug 9, 2017 04:46
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The only way is down Essex.
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Aug 9, 2017 04:53
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Send in the subs to finish the burning hulk
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Aug 9, 2017 04:55
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Ron Jeremy posted:Were those American planes already in the air? I don't know how they conducted flight ops after 10 bomb hits. Yeah, both sides launch scout plants at first light. They both get strikes up in the air before either hits home.
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Aug 9, 2017 05:07
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pthighs posted:Yeah, both sides launch scout plants at first light. They both get strikes up in the air before either hits home. Now landing otoh...
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Aug 9, 2017 05:13
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I think Ryujo is hit hard but should survive pending her not taking any further heavy hits. Also good luck finishing the Essex. Big day!
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Aug 9, 2017 05:24
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Ron Jeremy posted:Now landing otoh... Given that last I checked P-43s can't fly off carriers, there should be an Allied airbase around Essex's squadrons can land at instead of ditching, unlike last time. Probably Efate? Or is there another offscreen that the Lancer is flying out of?
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Aug 9, 2017 05:26
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8 August 1943 Italian destroyer Freccia, sunk at Genoa by RAF air raid. Looks like one of the 18-knot Katoris is slowing down that battleship task force.
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Aug 9, 2017 05:34
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Lord Koth posted:Given that last I checked P-43s can't fly off carriers, there should be an Allied airbase around Essex's squadrons can land at instead of ditching, unlike last time. Probably Efate? Or is there another offscreen that the Lancer is flying out of? Oh ye of little faith... 
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Aug 9, 2017 05:37
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:Looks like one of the 18-knot Katoris is slowing down that battleship task force. Yep, third ship in the image looks like a Katori-class.
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Aug 9, 2017 05:39
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TheDemon posted:Yep, third ship in the image looks like a Katori-class.  Greeeey!
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Aug 9, 2017 06:19
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wedgekree posted:I think Ryujo is hit hard but should survive pending her not taking any further heavy hits. And her crew not turning her into an air-fuel bomb.
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Aug 9, 2017 06:29
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I think the battleship task force is literally in Rabaul harbor? Or like one hex out? But if I understand it right, even then a slow ship in the TF makes them not be as good at engaging and chasing down ships within the same hex for battle?
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Aug 9, 2017 07:00
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PittTheElder posted:And her crew not turning her into an air-fuel bomb. It wouldn't it be a Japanese ship otherwise! 
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Aug 9, 2017 07:01
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Ron Jeremy posted:Oh ye of little faith... Fine, yes, technically you could launch one off a carrier, but the landing gear is nowhere near robust enough to function in a carrier role. Point stands that they didn't fly off Essex, and thus had to have flown out of some Allied base in range. And given Hellcats, Avengers, and Dauntlesses all have significantly more range than a Lancer, they can probably reach said base too.
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Aug 9, 2017 07:16
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Leperflesh posted:I think the battleship task force is literally in Rabaul harbor? Or like one hex out? But if I understand it right, even then a slow ship in the TF makes them not be as good at engaging and chasing down ships within the same hex for battle? Slow ships both make it harder to intercept enemies at the strategic layer, since they can only cover as many hexes as the slowest ship, and also makes the whole TF less efficient in combat, since again the TF will be only be moving as fast as the slowest ship. All else being equal, a SAG with a single 18 knot ship in the mix is probably going to have its T-crossed by an enemy SAG where all ships can travel at, say, 30 knots.
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Aug 9, 2017 07:17
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10 250kg bombs isn't that much boom. They could survive that.
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Aug 9, 2017 10:44
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goatface posted:10 250kg bombs isn't that much boom. They could survive that. There is still tomorrow for more action. But, even if the ship survives, it will out of action for few months, which is still a boon for Grey.
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Aug 9, 2017 11:14
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Tomorrow morning, though. The Essex wasn't able to move between air combat phases, which seems to indicate it's crippled at low speed.
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Aug 9, 2017 14:28
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Jesenjin posted:There is still tomorrow for more action. I want to see a sunken CV so badly
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Aug 9, 2017 17:00
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   We continue to hunt ships.  We take out another troop laden ship.  The reaction moves take one of the groups into bomber range.  They take some hits. I hope their armour is strong enough.   We bring down several more planes.  The Essex is still alive.  Torpedo the bloody carrier! THE CARRIER YOU MORONS!   Well, its obvious my captains don't think the wounded fleet carrier is a priority, I shall have words with them.  I'm not going to complain about the ship kills though!
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Aug 9, 2017 17:51
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I hope you nail it. Ryujo for an Essex is a fine trade.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:24
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How badly is Essex damaged if they traveled only two or three hexes since yesterday?
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Aug 9, 2017 18:50
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Jesenjin posted:How badly is Essex damaged if they traveled only two or three hexes since yesterday? It's hosed. My guess is the Essex is in that critical "go slow or else we flood" damage stage
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Aug 9, 2017 18:55
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Has anyone played War in the West? Only kind of related: I'm looking for something kind of in between this game and the normal Paradox-type games I play. Can be any time period but I want something that's more fun than work. Love: battles, OOB, generals with stats, UIs designed by a human with feelings Hate: stats for camshaft production, modern warfare, graphics worse than War in the Pacific Any suggestions?
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Aug 9, 2017 18:56
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Has anyone played War in the West? Ultimate General: Gettysburg and UG: Civil War might be what you're looking for
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Aug 9, 2017 19:14
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tatankatonk posted:Ultimate General: Gettysburg and UG: Civil War might be what you're looking for I actually started playing UG: Civil War last week and I love it (although I'd also love to play something with more persistent armies and territory). I thought Forge of Freedom was pretty fun too, but there were some very clunky aspects of that game, especially how OP the player was in tactical mode. Ideally I'd like a game that has the tactical battles of Ultimate General (the AI is pretty excellent) with a much more robust strategic level.
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Aug 9, 2017 19:21
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Has anyone played War in the West? The Decisive Campaigns games (Warsaw to Paris, Case Blue, Barbarossa) are all good and occupy a space roughly between Paradox and a game like this, in terms of complexity. There are also lots of goons who play them if you want to multiplayer it up (and WtP is unique in that there are scenarios that involve multiple players per side). Advanced Tactics Gold is sort of an ancestor to that series and is much more complex, but also great (and great for multiplayer). UI leaves a lot to be desired though and it shows its age compared to the other games. War in the West is... not good. The land war is okay I guess, and I actually enjoy planning out naval invasions in that game. But the air game is just so horrendously bad that it ruins the entire experience.
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Aug 9, 2017 19:29
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Decisive Campaigns looks great. Which one would you recommend to start with?
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Aug 9, 2017 21:57
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Decisive Campaigns looks great. Which one would you recommend to start with? WtP and Case Blue are very similar. Infantry artillery and aircraft are on map and take orders, divisions are broken down into 4 counters so you have more fine-tune control. Barbarossa has aircraft and artillery abstracted so you only move whole divisions around which are single chits now. It's also got a neat political system for the Germans and an army re-organization thing for the Soviets. Honestly just get any of them and dive in, Case Blue is probably the most daunting because the map is so huge and there's no simpler Poland campaign like WtP where you can get used to how the game plays.
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Aug 9, 2017 22:01
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I'm personally partial to Barbarossa, the political layer is really unique and fun. The constant slapfights between Train Nazi and Truck Nazi are pure gold. Saros did a nice little LP of it if you want to check it out before buying. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3793900&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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Aug 9, 2017 22:33
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Barbarossa is probably the best of the Decisive Campaigns games. I have two other games I'd recommend. One is Strategic Command: WWII Global Conflict. It's an older game, and shows its age, but it's still fun. Another good game, although more limited in scope and less "grand strategy" is Unity of Command, which is about the Battle of Stalingrad, and its DLC : Black Turn, which is about the beginning of Barbarossa, and Red Turn, about the Soviet counteroffensive.
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Aug 9, 2017 23:43
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9 August 1943 Italian destroyer Vincenzo Gioberti, struck by torpedoes fired by British submarine Simoom at the cruiser Giuseppe Garibaldi, which evaded them. Last Italian destroyer sunk before the armistice.
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Aug 10, 2017 00:23
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:Last Italian destroyer sunk before the armistice. 
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Aug 10, 2017 00:45
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Epicurius posted:Another good game, although more limited in scope and less "grand strategy" is Unity of Command, which is about the Battle of Stalingrad, and its DLC : Black Turn, which is about the beginning of Barbarossa, and Red Turn, about the Soviet counteroffensive. UoC is a very good gateway drug to grog games.It has a clean, easy to use interface, nice graphics, and a bunch of scenarios many of which are shorter. The scenarios do tend to be puzzle-like in that there are a limited range of perfect strategies. Even so, you will pick up a good appreciation of Eastern Front operational warfare, "blitzkrieg", supply lines and such. Chits are divisions and can have supporting arms attached to them, air power is represented by a limited number of air strikes you can use per turn, and supply is king.
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Aug 10, 2017 02:13
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Flavius Belisarius posted:Has anyone played War in the West? This thread will set you up with even more suggestions. And despite it only meeting half your criteria, I'll suggest Rule the Waves. I totally fails your UI and graphics criteria, but it's one of the best grog games you can get for less than $50.
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Aug 10, 2017 02:55
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And another brigade of marines heads to the briny depths. Still no carrier - yet. We shall see.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:22
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Grey Hunter posted:Well, its obvious my captains don't think the wounded fleet carrier is a priority, I shall have words with them.
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