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Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Don Dongington posted:

All we'll really achieve by building our own nukes is ensuring that we lose everything of value in the event of a large scale attack against the US or UK, as opposed to just Sydney and maybe parts of Cockburn sound and Darwin.
Sounds pretty sweet really.

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Me too pal.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
What if the nuke hits Ipswich?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

What if the nuke hits Ipswich?

Then it really would be a burning garbage heap.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Box of Bunnies posted:

I like to imagine that any nuclear strikes on Australia would include the army training center at Kapooka as a target so I might die relatively quickly

Why?

Garden Island (off the coast of Kwinana) would be a likely target because US nuclear subs base out of there, or at least refuel there. Pine gap, the US Radio installation in Exmouth, maybe the business up in Darwin, but an army training base isn't exactly going to trigger threat levels with any serious nuclear power.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Don Dongington posted:

Why?

Garden Island (off the coast of Kwinana) would be a likely target because US nuclear subs base out of there, or at least refuel there. Pine gap, the US Radio installation in Exmouth, maybe the business up in Darwin, but an army training base isn't exactly going to trigger threat levels with any serious nuclear power.

Anywhere the P-3 Orion fleet was based used to be a target as well

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Posadism is good and aliens are my friends. Also nuke everyone. Build the communist society in the shell of the old.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Birdstrike posted:

I am aware of some, ah, "developments." Should hear more tonight.
Be careful, Space Cadet understands more than she lets on.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/NickMcKim/status/895171230151651330

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

Don Dongington posted:

Why?

Garden Island (off the coast of Kwinana) would be a likely target because US nuclear subs base out of there, or at least refuel there. Pine gap, the US Radio installation in Exmouth, maybe the business up in Darwin, but an army training base isn't exactly going to trigger threat levels with any serious nuclear power.

I did say that it wsas more to do with what would kill me relatively swiftly than what would make sense strategically. Kapooka is the only thing within hundreds of kilometers that doesn't instead leave me surviving in the post nuclear hellscape

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Is Entsch still going ahead with his private members bill?

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Is there still a paywall bypass for the age that works on chrome?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

gay picnic defence posted:

Is there still a paywall bypass for the age that works on chrome?

Hit escape twice as the page is loading

Frogfingers
Oct 10, 2012

gay picnic defence posted:

Is there still a paywall bypass for the age that works on chrome?

Doesn't private/incognito work every time?

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




The CBA corruption stuff has been another well timed free hit for SA Labor, as the Banking lobby group were just starting to ramp up their attack on the state bank levy they're trying to introduce

quote:

as the Commonwealth Bank posted a net profit this year of $9.9 billion.

"We're going to take $20 million of that and it'll still be $9.88 billion. Are people seriously crying a river of tears for the banks?" Mr Weatherill asked reporters.

"The money launderers to organised crime and terrorist groups, are we seriously going to be getting lectures from them?"

The best part is it's just a duplicate of the new Federal levy, so all the :qq: repressed small business :qq: backed Liberal attacks on it are as hollow as the space between Dutton's ears.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
As far as the plebiscite is concerned, I'm boycotting it and you should too. You don't fight oppression by conforming with the restrictions and demands of the oppressors. You flip the table and you gently caress poo poo up.

glasnost toyboy
May 29, 2009

Milky Moor posted:

As far as the plebiscite is concerned, I'm boycotting it and you should too. You don't fight oppression by conforming with the restrictions and demands of the oppressors. You flip the table and you gently caress poo poo up.

Congrats on doing exactly what Tony wants you to do, I guess.

do it on my face
Feb 6, 2005
°

Milky Moor posted:

As far as the plebiscite is concerned, I'm boycotting it and you should too. You don't fight oppression by conforming with the restrictions and demands of the oppressors. You flip the table and you gently caress poo poo up.

Well by the time your prison term is up we'll probably have marriage equality anyway so you can comfort yourself with a moral victory at least.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

idiots

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Sou'rce you are quotes.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Milky Moor posted:

As far as the plebiscite is concerned, I'm boycotting it and you should too. You don't fight oppression by conforming with the restrictions and demands of the oppressors. You flip the table and you gently caress poo poo up.

I'm going to smoke weed, watch anime and not fill in a form because I am the revolution.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

do it on my face posted:

Well by the time your prison term is up we'll probably have marriage equality anyway so you can comfort yourself with a moral victory at least.

What the gently caress are you talking about?

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




JBP posted:

What the gently caress are you talking about?

Under the Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth) it is an offence to use the internet, social media or a telephone to menace, harass or cause offence. The maximum penalty for this offence is three years imprisonment or a fine of more than $30,000.

do it on my face
Feb 6, 2005
°

JBP posted:

What the gently caress are you talking about?

His post is either a call to arms or him signalling his intention to continue to sit on his rear end and do nothing.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE



Milky Moor posted:

As far as the plebiscite is concerned, I'm boycotting it and you should too. You don't fight oppression by conforming with the restrictions and demands of the oppressors. You flip the table and you gently caress poo poo up.

Well done helping to slightly harm the chances of getting marriage equality this term, I guess :shrug:?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Lobbyists on both sides of the marriage equality debate would be free to distribute misleading and deceptive material ahead of the same-sex marriage postal vote, because the usual campaign rules have been discarded.

In order to circumvent the Senate, the Turnbull government's optional marriage survey will be conducted by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, meaning the safeguards of the Commonwealth Electoral Act would not apply.

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer
Mad as Hell doing a segment on Prince Phillip retiring with the title "Good riddance you racist old bastard".
Noice

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Lid posted:

Lobbyists on both sides of the marriage equality debate would be free to distribute misleading and deceptive material ahead of the same-sex marriage postal vote, because the usual campaign rules have been discarded.

In order to circumvent the Senate, the Turnbull government's optional marriage survey will be conducted by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, meaning the safeguards of the Commonwealth Electoral Act would not apply.

:woop:

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Milky Moor posted:

As far as the plebiscite is concerned, I'm boycotting it and you should too. You don't fight oppression by conforming with the restrictions and demands of the oppressors. You flip the table and you gently caress poo poo up.

So if your oppressors open the door and give you a chance to walk out, you flip the table and gently caress poo poo up?

Can I ask if you're gay yourself?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Milky Moor posted:

As far as the plebiscite is concerned, I'm boycotting it and you should too. You don't fight oppression by conforming with the restrictions and demands of the oppressors. You flip the table and you gently caress poo poo up.

Yeah, gonna gently caress poo poo up! I'll tweet, I'll Facebook, hell I might sign a petition! Gonna bring the thunder while the old conservatives get their way!

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




If only Christians fought like this for refugees. Imagine if the Coalition’s big men of faith threatened to tear down their own government unless it brings home the wretches we’ve imprisoned in the Pacific.

Surely there couldn’t be a greater service for Christ?

Or what about crossing the floor for the poor, the homeless, for battered wives and illiterate Aboriginal kids. No. What excites these Christian warriors is beating up on gays. I’ve watched it all my life.

They fought like hell to keep sex between men a crime. As they lost the backing of the public they went about their task more urgently. The rules of heaven were not to be swept aside by opinion polls. Sin had to be punished.

Mealy mouthed, they reckoned they didn’t want to send us to jail. Oh, heaven forfend! But they demanded the states set an example – a Godly example – by leaving criminal laws just as they were. That meant 14 years jail for buggery in New South Wales.

As the numbers drifted away from them the Christian warriors grew, if anything, more determined, better organised and nastier. Again and again, the end of the world was nigh.

They fought no-fault divorce law with everything they had. They fought legal recognition of de facto relationships. They attacked anti-discrimination laws and were given extraordinary exemptions from them. And they kept on fighting LGBTI reform until the last state, Tasmania, fell over the line in 1997.

The bigots have been deserted even by their own followers
Spectators look on bewildered. Times have changed. This is a secular country. Why these brawls? Surely these bigots know they’re on the wrong side of history?

We shouldn’t be bewildered.

Nothing is inevitable in the imagination of Christian warriors and no battle is quite as righteous as a battle lost. The God-given imperative is to fight and keep on fighting. Winning even a little delay is a triumph.

So much is at stake. But these days the warriors are a little shy of saying the truth: they’re doing Christ’s work on Earth. The euphemism de jour among the conservative Christians is “saving Western Civilisation”.

Only a handful of secular warriors are fighting with the army of the faithful. Of course, many Jews and Muslims share their Old Testament disgust. But right now in Australia they are leaving the latest battle in this old, old war to the Christians.

But not many of their leaders and the faithful in the pews

It’s a commonplace of the campaign for equal marriage that it has the support of most Christians in Australia. Catholics are particularly keen. And a Galaxy poll published a few weeks ago also showed their disquiet that crusaders against reform are claiming to represent all Christians in the country.

The bigots have been deserted even by their own followers.

That raises two big questions. First, what’s in it for the warriors to keep on fighting? God’s word, of course, but also the business of these men is shame.

Times change but people don’t. Nothing gives conservative faiths such power as preying on human disquiet about sex and pleasure. So they preach against masturbation, adultery, divorce and, of course, homosexuality in all its forms.

There is so much more to Christianity than this. But for bishops of wrath and for hell fire preachers there’s no winner like shame.

First they work up guilt and then set their terms for forgiveness. And for half century, as a great shift occurred in secular thinking on sex, Christian leaders have wanted the state, its laws and its institutions, to keep backing their business model. Think of it as spiritual rent seeking.

The second big question is one for politicians to grapple with. Where are the numbers? When kow-towing to angry bishops isn’t even going to win over their congregations, why give them such leverage?

Fear is the answer. Tony Abbott stood at the doors of parliament on Wednesday morning and declared in the tones of a desert prophet: “And I say to you if you don’t like same-sex marriage, vote no. If you’re worried about religious freedom and freedom of speech, vote no … ”

That argument resonates with Australians. It scares politicians. We are a secular country. We don’t want to worship, but we highly value the freedom of others to worship. This is a decent compact of a tolerant people.

No wonder the battle over equal marriage is represented by opponents of change as a great struggle for freedom. But what freedoms?

Archbishops of Sydney will not be forced to marry lesbians in their cathedrals. Keen young Pentecostal males – however they might like to let off steam after a hard day’s speaking in tongues – won’t be forced to marry. No preacher will be prosecuted for reminding Australians of God’s wrath as set out so vividly in Genesis.

But Abbott and his mates aren’t talking freedom. It’s time this was said absolutely clearly. Freedoms are something we can all enjoy. These people are talking about the rights of institutions. They want the church to have the power to dictate for all Australians the laws of marriage.

That’s not a freedom. That’s a privilege. Ireland has stared down the church. Conservative governments in the United Kingdom and New Zealand have ignored religious demands. Germany and most of Europe have turned their backs on furious bishops. Even plucky little Malta said no to the church the other day.

But Australians find this so hard. It’s as if we feel guilty about the slow collapse of faith on this continent. Perhaps apologetic is a better word. Either way, there’s an old habit in this country of politics paying far too much heed to the least attractive demands of Christianity.

We’ve said no before and we will again. But it takes so much time and such an extraordinary effort. Eventually we will clear a path through the obstructions of abandoned faith and get on with the real life of the country.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Milky Moor posted:

My Facebook feed is already full of 'progressives' saying they're going to boycott the plebiscite. Amazing.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

src ur qots

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE



If only it was possible to reply to people on Facebook, and that the people on your Facebook feed were ostensibly friends who might be interested in your opinion.

do it on my face
Feb 6, 2005
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-09/same-sex-marriage-postal-plebiscite-15-days-to-enrol-to-vote/8791312

quote:

The ABC has learnt the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) will tomorrow announce that the last day Australians will be able to register to vote is August 24, 15 days from today.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


:laffo: it's so blatant if you just pay attention

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Apologies for the mass copy paste:

Constitutional law experts raised fears about whether the outcome of a voluntary postal survey could be trusted.

Professor George Williams said there were experts in our country whose job it was to conduct sensitive national votes, but those experts were not the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).

"It's a body that fulfils a different set of functions," he told the ABC.

"I was mystified by it. I'm still finding it hard to understand why such a sensitive, contested process wouldn't be left to the experts within government — that's what the AEC [Australian Electoral Commission] does."

The debacle with the ABS-run census has Professor Williams worried. He said "this could go very wrong" if the ABS has to cobble together a roll-out in a short space of time.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
My prediction: This will go very wrong.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
I like that there are literally no checks or balances stopping a single homophobic LNP fuckboy from simply making up the results and pulping all the ballots regardless of who replies.

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Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Milky Moor posted:

My Facebook feed is already full of 'progressives' saying they're going to boycott the plebiscite. Amazing.

Well my question applies to whoever wrote those words, please report back, tia.

They'd better loving be gay at least.

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