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blowfish posted:1) Even after accounting for Stanford being full of privileged upper middle class kids, it's likely an above-average proportion of Stanford compsci grads will meet minimum standards for warm programmer bodies in seats, compared to e.g. University of Phoenix Online A for-profit online school is completely different from a generic state university meeting minimum standards. When all you need is another guy to work on your Burp And Fart Piano app, you don't need some guy who did high-end research with a master of modern computer science or whatever, you need a guy who can just avoid compiler errors. Yeah but that's not actually relevant, because again you're a company just putting out bare minimum code for bare minimum programs, so no one's going to take you seriously just because you only hire (the bottom 10% of) Stanford CS grads.
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Steve French posted:I went to a top 10 university and my need based financial aid grant was more than tuition. I do feel like I had a fairly privileged upbringing in many ways, but my parents were not wealthy (nor were we poor) It's not always price that keeps people out of the top schools. You're more likely to be accepted to a top school if you go to a rich suburban public school with lots of targeted extracurricular activities and a full complement of AP classes than if you go to a poor rural or city public school with only a few sports and a couple AP classes available. And since most US school funding comes from property taxes… This is a reason why some states have automatic acceptance to state universities and colleges of students in some top bracket of their high school class: They might never have the opportunity otherwise based on private college & university admissions trends.
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Steve French posted:I went to a top 10 university and my need based financial aid grant was more than tuition. I do feel like I had a fairly privileged upbringing in many ways, but my parents were not wealthy (nor were we poor) I went to a top 10 university and my parents were neither wealthy nor poor, but they did save for college for me. We were told there would be no aid until we were out of money and then it would likely be loans.
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blowfish posted:1) Even after accounting for Stanford being full of privileged upper middle class kids, it's likely an above-average proportion of Stanford compsci grads will meet minimum standards for warm programmer bodies in seats, compared to e.g. University of Phoenix Online I thought there was a developer shortage which is why pay and benefits are so high? Also, there is a massive difference between the type of state school that person said and loving University of Phoenix don't be so elitist.
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Senor Dog posted:I thought there was a developer shortage which is why pay and benefits are so high? Also, there is a massive difference between the type of state school that person said and loving University of Phoenix don't be so elitist. There's a severe shortage of developers who are happy to work for the same wage as a Mcdonalds worker. Otherwise, there are plenty to go around. And outside of America no one knows about the top 10 so move to Europe and enjoy the good life with decent pay.
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Getting dunked on by NDT is a rough burn https://twitter.com/DrNeilTyson/status/894899916316725248
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eschaton posted:It's not always price that keeps people out of the top schools. I agree with this entirely and it (plus the cost of lower tier schools) should be what we focus on not whether poor kids who actually manage to get admitted to the top school can afford it, they generally can. I do wish the affordability of top schools was more common knowledge. I had lowish income friends (generally first in family to go to college) who didn't bother to apply to the top schools, even though they might have been able to get in, because they thought they never could have afforded it. They went to CSU and did fine, but almost certainly emerged with more debt and less connections than if they gone to stanford.
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cowofwar posted:Getting dunked on by NDT is a rough burn That's not actually him.
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cowofwar posted:Getting dunked on by NDT is a rough burn that's not actually ndt
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Jesus, is twitter all fake Russian bot accounts or what?
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cowofwar posted:Jesus, is twitter all fake Russian bot accounts or what? worse, it's full of people who don't think twitter is super dumb
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This is going to be way tl;dr; sorry. Copy-pasted because I expect this to be deleted within minutes. $60K a year in SF, no benefits, for an on-call 24/7 personal assistant. From SF Craigslist: quote:Personal Assistant MUST LOVE DOGS - PT/FT, $25-$30/hr (SOMA / south beach) hide this posting
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"And for your first meal, here is a bowl of dog food."
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Look who wants to sue for getting fired. Any chance this will get laughed out of court?
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Significant Ant posted:Looks who wants to sue for getting fired. Any chance this will get laughed out of court? 99% chance. the stated reason google gave for firing the guy is that he created a hostile work environment contrary to the code of conduct. it doesn't matter what other excuses he comes up with. he's trying to chessmaster his way out of this by filing CYA complaints with the NLRB but since google didn't fire him for his political beliefs but rather his actions (writing down on paper how much he dislikes his female coworkers) it won't stand up in court also lol that he's complaining about being misrepresented when his angry rant was widely published. can't backpedal your way out of this one bro, you hosed up bigly
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Google also clearly took their time to have their legal team go over everything necessary before firing him to make things airtight, otherwise he'd have been out on Friday if not earlier when the rant was still largely internal to Google.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:This is going to be way tl;dr; sorry. Copy-pasted because I expect this to be deleted within minutes. $60K a year in SF, no benefits, for an on-call 24/7 personal assistant. I kept thinking I'd read enough but god it's so worth reading the entire thing. Jesus loving Christ.
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boner confessor posted:99% chance. the stated reason google gave for firing the guy is that he created a hostile work environment contrary to the code of conduct. it doesn't matter what other excuses he comes up with. he's trying to chessmaster his way out of this by filing CYA complaints with the NLRB but since google didn't fire him for his political beliefs but rather his actions (writing down on paper how much he dislikes his female coworkers) it won't stand up in court I'll have you know he was a child chess champion But yeah this is gonna go absolutely nowhere Also wow that site is absolutely insufferable, here's another article quote:It turns out that Google's culture of mass virtue-signaling and diversity campaigns has done absolutely nothing to curb its hiring discrepancies ... even after spending a whopping $265 million. aware of dog fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:also lol that he's complaining about being misrepresented when his angry rant was widely published. can't backpedal your way out of this one bro, you hosed up bigly Isn’t his Master’s degree basically worthless without a PhD as well? also lol everyone in the Bay Area (except maybe Uber) will blacklist him and refuse to hire
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Significant Ant posted:Isn’t his Master’s degree basically worthless without a PhD as well? not at all, you really only need a phd if you plan on going into academia in some form or shooting for the highest echelons of your career, but you can do that at age 25 or age 45. academic credentials don't really matter once you've got work experience. a masters is a great ticket to a career in programming ...a career which he just shot dead for being a stubborn dumbass. it doesn't matter what kind of credentials or experience you have if you have "WALKING LAWSUIT" branded on your resume
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Papercut posted:I kept thinking I'd read enough but god it's so worth reading the entire thing. Jesus loving Christ. Embedded somewhere in that text is the requirement that the applicant must be a woman whose looks be up to their high standards and willing to sleep with the person that posted the ad.
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The Trump campaign had some really good analytics teams, he could do that stuff probably.
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boner confessor posted:not at all, you really only need a phd if you plan on going into academia in some form or shooting for the highest echelons of your career, but you can do that at age 25 or age 45. academic credentials don't really matter once you've got work experience. a masters is a great ticket to a career in programming I'm not sure a non-CS Masters gives him that much over a BA tbh, and even that doesn't matter after getting your first job. Til you publicly gently caress it up ofc.
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Star Man posted:Embedded somewhere in that text is the requirement that the applicant must be a woman whose looks be up to their high standards and willing to sleep with the person that posted the ad. i was a total shoe-in until i got to the part about being able to defend a dog from another dog's attacks
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boner confessor posted:i was a total shoe-in until i got to the part about being able to defend a dog from another dog's attacks I bet the entire fridge is stocked with mixed varieties of Soylent and dead PAs.
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Star Man posted:Embedded somewhere in that text is the requirement that the applicant must be a woman whose looks be up to their high standards and willing to sleep with the person that posted the ad. If prostitution were legal, would that ad read "Wanted: live-in sexworker (and occasional helper/assistant)"?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:"about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year." Graduating $48K in debt is a significant burden for a lot of people. This includes room and board, which are semi-fixed costs assuming you don't have a college near where your parents live. It doesn't include the opportunity to get reasonably well paying internships during the summer, which is much easier when you go to Harvard than State U And finally, it's an average of $12000 across everyone who receives any need-based aid, from people whose parents make $0 to people whose parents make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. The typical out-of-pocket costs for someone not in the top 10% of families by income are lower still. Arsenic Lupin posted:If I'm a middle-class kid too poor to pay $48K in cash and too rich to get a full ride, that's pie in the sky. You must have some weird conception of what the middle class is, because at these schools: - someone whose parents make $65k/year combined a year contribute 0 - someone whose parents make $150k/year contribute 15k/year The American median household income is $51k/year. Even if you're in guillotine territory making a household income of $100k/year your kid can still go to Harvard for around $6k/year, with room and board covered.
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blowfish posted:If prostitution were legal, would that ad read "Wanted: live-in sexworker (and occasional helper/assistant)"? Think really, really hard.
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boner confessor posted:i was a total shoe-in until i got to the part about being able to defend a dog from another dog's attacks Do you love giving pedicures and have impeccable personal style and experience negotiating construction contracts?
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boner confessor posted:not at all, you really only need a phd if you plan on going into academia in some form or shooting for the highest echelons of your career, but you can do that at age 25 or age 45. academic credentials don't really matter once you've got work experience. a masters is a great ticket to a career in programming He has a “consolation” Master’s degree, which usually implies someone is too busy with their PhD to write their thesis
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Papercut posted:Do you love giving pedicures and have impeccable personal style and experience negotiating construction contracts? Wait. What if the dog is the one that wrote the ad
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Papercut posted:Do you love giving pedicures and have impeccable personal style and experience negotiating construction contracts? yes, i'm also completely sober with an impeccable eye for fashion and detail with my just-so BoHo style and i LOVE game of thrones! i'm a high achieving person willing to work for a salary best described as "adequate" for 40+ hours a week at my employers convenience! problem is i just cannot keep other dogs from trying to savagely maul my pet whenever we go out in public! it's the damndest thing Significant Ant posted:He has a “consolation” Master’s degree, which usually implies someone is too busy with their PhD to write their thesis i know a guy who dropped out of his masters program to get a six figure coding job and he's thriving. past a certain point an education is just a means to an end, and successively more complex degrees are just gate openers. hell i got my first software job based on the strength of "you got a masters from X university? nice" despite having zero experience or knowledge of the specific task required like if the dude wanted to become a published computational biologist he should have kept on that track but once you land a job at google you can safely leave your continuance of formal education behind if you want boner confessor fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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blowfish posted:If prostitution were legal, would that ad read "Wanted: live-in sexworker (and occasional helper/assistant)"? This position is commonly known as wife
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Significant Ant posted:Isn’t his Master’s degree basically worthless without a PhD as well? He's totally going to get hired by one of Peter Thiel's companies.
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Significant Ant posted:He has a “consolation” Master’s degree, which usually implies someone is too busy with their PhD to write their thesis iirc he was hired out of his PhD program by google.
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Star Man posted:Wait. This is all falling together now.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:When did you go to school? It's quite relevant. I graduated in 2007. $48k in debt is not insignificant, you're right about that, but in the context of the original point (that hiring from top 10 schools vs others tends to benefit the wealthy), it's important to compare that number to what the same person would pay at other schools. I honestly don't know if it would be comparable at many state schools, but that's an important comparison to make either way. At the very least, I think the aid policies at top schools result in a much greater different in what wealthier people actually pay vs poorer people. eschaton posted:It's not always price that keeps people out of the top schools. This is all absolutely true and I have no disagreement here. I was merely speaking to the price tag once you are accepted, which I think is important because many people don't even bother applying because they assume they can't afford it. I had a great upbringing even though we weren't super wealthy, and I credit that for my acceptance. I credit the university for making it affordable for me to attend: my parents didn't pay a cent.
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boner confessor posted:yes, i'm also completely sober with an impeccable eye for fashion and detail with my just-so BoHo style and i LOVE game of thrones! i'm a high achieving person willing to work for a salary best described as "adequate" for 40+ hours a week at my employers convenience! I read through and noted every job they want this person to fill, and Dog walker/trainer/groomer flower trimmer vacation planner maid personal shopper tech support delivery person seamstress personal organizer dishwasher photo framer secretary manicurist investment advisor relationship counselor stylist interior decorator chef (both human and dog) chauffeur bodyguard (both human and dog) lifeguard physical trainer hair stylist comedian storyteller social media liason teetotaler construction manager aquarist with the personality of a golden retriever crossed with a jack russell crossed with a husky crossed with a pug crossed with a border collie.
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I think we found the world's worst person for whom to work.
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cowofwar posted:I think we found the world's worst person for whom to work. yeah that 10-6 M-F 40 a week schedule is bullshit. you'll be getting calls at 10pm on a saturday talking about emergency backrubs and can you get me a bottle of wine
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