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Inspector_666 posted:Super Bowl XLII was the best Patriots game ever. Superbowl XXXIX checks in at #20. DJExile posted:hot loving take: The reason I put this #20... it's always great to win the superbowl, But, we're coming off... they kill the Colts, they kill the Steelers in Pittsburgh, when they beat TO with a broken leg, this is the greatest team of all time. But it was a bad week in jacksonville and Patriots fans didn't go because they went to the last two, so it's all Eagles fans, and they all turn on their team in the 2nd quarter. The Pats don't play well, and it feels in the stadium like the Eagles lost the superbowl and the Patriots didn't totally win it.
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FWIW XXXIX at the time came across like a weird, somewhat poorly-played Super Bowl despite the final score being close.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:04
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Best patriots superbowl was XXXI 
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Aug 9, 2017 18:06
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iospace posted:Best patriots superbowl was XXXI XX.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:08
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FuzzySkinner posted:-"Baseball is dying." (written during the mid-2000's) This keeps getting re-written every other week, still.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:11
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it's not a coincidence that the people who say baseball is dying are always national media members/personalities/writers. They're just pissy no one wants to watch some big regular season match up because most fans are already watching their own team play 4-7 times per week.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:20
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FuzzySkinner posted:-"NASCAR is the 2nd most popular sport in America and it's fastest growing sport" (written during the mid-2000's) I would love to read a chronicle of NASCAR's rise and fall over the past 20 years. At one point it probably WAS among the top 2 or 3 sports (I guess depending on how you measure that....ratings? attendance?) but it has been in an absolute freefall for about a decade. I used to attend 1 to 2 races a year and at its peak, it was amazing how many people would attend a race. Now, not only do I barely watch a fraction of maybe 2 or 3 races during the year, but when I turned on the Brickyard 400 a few weeks ago there were MAYBE 20-30,000 people in attendance? At a track that seats ~250,000? It is absolutely pathetic. But I love reading inside baseball-type stories about the hubris that brings big organizations down.
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Aug 9, 2017 18:21
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Inspector_666 posted:This keeps getting re-written every other week, still. Calcaterra had a funny article where he found people writing it going back to like the 1800s
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Aug 9, 2017 19:33
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Mahoning posted:I would love to read a chronicle of NASCAR's rise and fall over the past 20 years. At one point it probably WAS among the top 2 or 3 sports (I guess depending on how you measure that....ratings? attendance?) but it has been in an absolute freefall for about a decade. I used to attend 1 to 2 races a year and at its peak, it was amazing how many people would attend a race. Now, not only do I barely watch a fraction of maybe 2 or 3 races during the year, but when I turned on the Brickyard 400 a few weeks ago there were MAYBE 20-30,000 people in attendance? At a track that seats ~250,000? Here's the beginning and end of it. -NASCAR saw an increase of suburban types who enjoyed their product. -NASCAR then abandoned it's core demographic in favor of reaching those very same people -Those surbuban types? All bailed/went back to pro football around the time of the recssion -NASCAR is still trying to chase the suburban types. BWV posted:it's not a coincidence that the people who say baseball is dying are always national media members/personalities/writers. They're just pissy no one wants to watch some big regular season match up because most fans are already watching their own team play 4-7 times per week. Yeah ratings locally for the Indians games are always the highest ranked thing of the week. It just doesn't feel like a sport in "decline". My stupid theory? As long as you can still serve beer at baseball games? Baseball will exist.
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MourningView posted:Calcaterra had a funny article where he found people writing it going back to like the 1800s SBNation did a similar article about college football. It's always interesting to see historical hot takes
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Mahoning posted:I would love to read a chronicle of NASCAR's rise and fall over the past 20 years. At one point it probably WAS among the top 2 or 3 sports (I guess depending on how you measure that....ratings? attendance?) but it has been in an absolute freefall for about a decade. I used to attend 1 to 2 races a year and at its peak, it was amazing how many people would attend a race. Now, not only do I barely watch a fraction of maybe 2 or 3 races during the year, but when I turned on the Brickyard 400 a few weeks ago there were MAYBE 20-30,000 people in attendance? At a track that seats ~250,000? Brickyard this year was a weird situation with attendance. There was a storm that passed through shortly after the first green flag dropped, so I think a non-trivial amount of people just said gently caress it and left. I'm not going to fault NASCAR entirely for huge swaths of open seats this year. The funny thing is Watkins Glen was a sellout. A road course. Then again, the fandom has warmed up to them, and NASCAR recognized this. By giving them the Charlotte Roval as the third road course  Also what FuzzySkinner said. My take is this: the recession really hit NASCAR hard because racing is one of those sports that casual fans are more inclined to say they enjoy going to than watching on TV (see also: baseball, soccer). Go to a race once a year, catch the others on TV. When prices shot out of reach for most fans, it stripped a lot of incentive away. Another common complaint regarding NASCAR is the sameness in a lot of the tracks. Leading up to and during the peak years, a lot of 1.5 mile tri-ovals were built, and they all race the same way. Apparently part of the appeal, at least for the people building them, is you can stick 100k person grandstands on the front stretch. e: track diversity, for what it's worth, and there's only 36 races over 23 tracks: 1x 2.66 mi tri-oval (Talladega) 1x 2.5 mi tri-oval (Daytona) 1x 2.5 mi triangle (Pocono) 1x 2.5 mi quad-oval (Indy) 2x 2 mi D-oval (Fontana and Michigan) 7x 1.5 mi tri-oval (Chicagoland, Kansas, Atlanta, Charlotte, Kentucky, Las Vegas, Texas) 1x 1.5 mi oval (Homestead-Miami) 1x 1.366 mi egg-oval (Darlington) 1x 1 mi oval (New Hampshire, Dover) 1x 1 mi dogleg oval (Phoenix) 1x 0.75 mi D-oval (Richmond) 1x 0.533 mi oval (Bristol) 1x 0.526 mi oval (Martinsville) 1x 2.454 mi road course (Watkins Glen) 1x 1.99 mi road course (Sonoma) So yeah, nearly a third of all the tracks are of similar layouts. iospace fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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BWV posted:it's not a coincidence that the people who say baseball is dying are always national media members/personalities/writers. They're just pissy no one wants to watch some big regular season match up because most fans are already watching their own team play 4-7 times per week. yeah, it's extremely tribal as just said there's places where it's the highest-rated thing on tv, that's where the money is (and that's why come playoff time there's understandable announcer bitching)
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Aug 9, 2017 20:19
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Baseball does well regionally because it also doesn't have to go up against much in the middle of summer. That said, baseball sucks and is boring.
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Aug 9, 2017 21:33
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FuzzySkinner posted:My stupid theory? As long as you can still serve beer at baseball games? Baseball will exist. This is 100% true
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Aug 9, 2017 22:39
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iospace posted:Best patriots superbowl was XXXI was clearly Pats/Panthers for excitement imo, but Pats/Seahawks was such a well played game between two great teams.
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Aug 9, 2017 22:40
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Giants vs Pats 1 was good because it's the first and only Superbowl where one side had odds where you could actually make decent bank if they won, and the Giants were 9/2 when I laid £20 on them. Most of the time the odds of an outright winner are so close it's not even remotely worth it
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Pats/Giants II was not great but it was hilarious that Eli Manning somehow got two Super Bowl rings against Tom Brady. Pats/Giants I had one of the greatest plays in football history which is hard to gently caress with.
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BWV posted:it's not a coincidence that the people who say baseball is dying are always national media members/personalities/writers. They're just pissy no one wants to watch some big regular season match up because most fans are already watching their own team play 4-7 times per week. But, if you put it up against its own history, the sport isn't as healthy as it once was. I don't mean the MLB, I mean Baseball Itself. Society and American culture changed. There was a time we'd probably have all played in our company's league. League! Now its an aberration if a company has a team.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Pats/Giants II was not great but it was hilarious that Eli Manning somehow got two Super Bowl rings against Tom Brady. All I can really remember from the 1st aside from winning money was that absolutely monster first drive the Giants put together
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DJExile posted:hot loving take: The Kevin Durant ones are great. Never heard Durant that open in interviews before. The Morey one is good. I'm even enjoying his entertainment ones with Judd Apatow and Will Ferrell. The Kimmel one right after the Oscars was cool. Here's the thing, he's a great interviewer. Legitimately does a ton of research on his guests and has been doing it long enough that he makes them comfortable. So if it's a good guest, listen. If not, just pass.
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Always skip if Simmons has Corolla, Michael Rappaport, or JackO on. Cousin Sal and Joe House are in ehhhh territory
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Aug 9, 2017 23:41
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Kalli posted:Superbowl XXXIX checks in at #20. They also won by cheating
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Teemu Pokemon posted:This is 100% true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Association_(19th_century) Exhibit A. Thank the Reds for saving baseball.
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Sash! posted:But, if you put it up against its own history, the sport isn't as healthy as it once was. I don't mean the MLB, I mean Baseball Itself. Society and American culture changed. There was a time we'd probably have all played in our company's league. League! Now its an aberration if a company has a team. Didn't this happen quite some time ago though? Like in the 60s and 70s when football became America's new pastime via television? I forget which famous sports writer wrote about it, maybe Halberstam? or Deford? but someone has an iconic article about this transition and the role television and the on coming information age played in shaping it. I'll look for it.
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Baseball will always hang around. It's just different from the other sports. The game is more regional and fans mostly just care about their own team. It also feels like it's the sort of TV you watch in the background while you're doing other stuff. That's not necessarily bad, late night talk shows thrived off this kind of viewing. It's destined to be 3rd in the sports landscape for the foreseeable future. Maybe it'll fall below soccer in a generation or two. But it'll always be there and be successful. Just has a ceiling to that success because it's long, boring, and refuses to change with the times.
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Aug 10, 2017 00:29
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Kalli posted:Just to give you a tiny taste: (Dave Roberts) Greatest steal of all time... I don't even know which would be 2nd. lmao Jackie Robinson stole home in the World Series
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ElwoodCuse posted:lmao Jackie Robinson stole home in the World Series Okay, so we've identified number 2, cool.
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Sash! posted:But, if you put it up against its own history, the sport isn't as healthy as it once was. I don't mean the MLB, I mean Baseball Itself. Society and American culture changed. There was a time we'd probably have all played in our company's league. League! Now its an aberration if a company has a team. There was a time when we would have all retired with company pensions, and our kids could go to college just by working at a summer job! A summer job! I wonder what happened
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Niwrad posted:Baseball will always hang around. It's just different from the other sports. The game is more regional and fans mostly just care about their own team. It also feels like it's the sort of TV you watch in the background while you're doing other stuff. That's not necessarily bad, late night talk shows thrived off this kind of viewing. It will outlast football.
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Football will die as it's players did: extremely confused and a victim of short-sightedness.
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General Dog posted:It will outlast football. Yeah, 3rd "for the forseeable future"? MLB makes as much money as the NBA and NHL combined. They supplanted horse racing and boxing and reigned supreme until the 1990s. And whatever issues baseball faces (most importantly the TV rights bubble which is EVERYONE'S problem), at least it doesn't kill the people who play it.
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ElwoodCuse posted:Yeah, 3rd "for the forseeable future"? MLB makes as much money as the NBA and NHL combined. They supplanted horse racing and boxing and reigned supreme until the 1990s. And whatever issues baseball faces (most importantly the TV rights bubble which is EVERYONE'S problem), at least it doesn't kill the people who play it. One Aaron Judge line drive might change that last bit.
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ElwoodCuse posted:Yeah, 3rd "for the forseeable future"? MLB makes as much money as the NBA and NHL combined. They supplanted horse racing and boxing and reigned supreme until the 1990s. And whatever issues baseball faces (most importantly the TV rights bubble which is EVERYONE'S problem), at least it doesn't kill the people who play it. ray chapman's family might argue that last point
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ElwoodCuse posted:Yeah, 3rd "for the forseeable future"? MLB makes as much money as the NBA and NHL combined. They supplanted horse racing and boxing and reigned supreme until the 1990s. And whatever issues baseball faces (most importantly the TV rights bubble which is EVERYONE'S problem), at least it doesn't kill the people who play it. It's drat hard to kill off the brands of those teams locally. Niwrad and others kinda nailed it. Even during "off" or "meh" years I would see people excited to go to Indians games or listen to them on the radio. Same with the Reds and Cardinals. Would those same fans care as much about...I dunno...a Marlins-Braves NLCS? Probably not. But the team they have in town they'll stay loyal to. BWV posted:Didn't this happen quite some time ago though? Like in the 60s and 70s when football became America's new pastime via television? I forget which famous sports writer wrote about it, maybe Halberstam? or Deford? but someone has an iconic article about this transition and the role television and the on coming information age played in shaping it. I'll look for it. This is well.
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General Dog posted:It will outlast football. Football is still so far ahead of any other sport that even a huge loss in viewership doesn't threaten their lead. Their preseason games do World Series numbers. Plus I think losses to the football base will move to sports like soccer and maybe basketball instead. Like I know there are pieces put out about the death of football but it's still heavily entrenched in parts of this country and will take generations to change that (if it ever does).
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I think pro football would collapse before college if it does happen
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Aug 10, 2017 06:22
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ElwoodCuse posted:at least it doesn't kill the people who play it. Just the people who watch it. 
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Aug 10, 2017 06:25
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C. Everett Koop posted:Just the people who watch it. what, not the gif?
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ElwoodCuse posted:Yeah, 3rd "for the forseeable future"? MLB makes as much money as the NBA and NHL combined. They supplanted horse racing and boxing and reigned supreme until the 1990s. And whatever issues baseball faces (most importantly the TV rights bubble which is EVERYONE'S problem), at least it doesn't kill the people who play it. No it doesn't. MLB revenue in 2016-17 was ~10b, NBA ~8b, NHL ~4b. NFL is up at ~14b. That may have been true before the new NBA tv deal kicked in.
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Also over a billion of MLB's revenue comes from MLB Advanced Media which works outside the sport.
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