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Giving artillery minimum ranges might also be a worth while change. There is no reason to take non-artillery when you can fire you basilisk at units 2 inches away. I won't say that cheap filler units are a bad thing, it is just that brimstones and conscripts are so cheap or useful that they kind of give a distinct advantage to armies that don't have access to them. Alpha strike in the form of Genestealers, Orks, etc is so drat deadly that you need to have these kind of units.
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Whoops, sorry Dark Imperium is what I meant. Also, is White Dwarf good again? Was thinking of going back and picking up a few back issues from this year. Any recommendations? June looks like a good issue to give some insight into Dark Imperium.
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Rhaegar posted:I haven't really been playing GW games since the late 90s but every once in awhile I would check in to see the current state of GW and Warhammer. Last I heard they were a poo poo company, taking their fans for granted, charging ridiculous prices, changing their games for the worse (Age of Sigmar) and gutting White Dwarf. Today while running errands over lunch I saw a new store had opened up. The sign said Warhammer. That's not the Warhammer I knew is it I thought? Turns out, yes, it is actually a Games Workshop store 5 minutes from my house, the guy running it is super friendly and gave me a quick five minute introduction to the new 8th edition Warhammer 40k called Dark Vengeance, gave with a free rules brochure and showed me the frikking awesome new miniatures that come with the new box set. I then took a look around the store and found the huge new White Dwarf magazine and other cool stuff. The new sculpts are great. GW is still mostly the same but some things are definitely improving, a lot of the old guard that really didn't seem to Get It have been cut and the new board seems to at least be taking many steps in the direction fans want. Its still a massively expensive hobby but if you like the setting of 40k there's nothing else like it. The new sculpts really are amazing. First thing first if I was you is I'd look around at all the factions and decide which appeals to you most, both the lore of the faction, the look of the models, and the way they tend to fight. Dark Vengeance is a great deal, but only really if you want a small army of both Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines. Its enough for you and a buddy to play against each other, but who are you going to be playing with? If you're planning on playing at your local store against other people who already have armies, maybe try focusing on a single faction, space marines OR chaos space marines, and build up a bigger army of just that faction, to save you money. Between rules, paints, brushes and models, there's a lot of things to buy to get into the hobby. So cutting corners for awhile is probably a good idea, especially if you don't know if you're into the hobby for the long haul. Maybe just buy a get started box and paint them up and try that out. Then again, you're going to want the rules, and the dark vengeance box is a great way to get that for cheap. You could try to get the rulebook from DV off ebay too or something. The "get started" kits are a decent small army, and they're available for tons of various factions. So you can pick something else like Necrons or Skitarii or Imperial Guard, its not just Space Marines or Chaos (but they have those too). They're a great value and get you started on a decent little force. There's also some additional box sets available for 8th, small bands of chaos marines and marines and some terrain, those wouldn't be a bad way to get started either if you have like a buddy or a wife who may want to play with you and try it out. But again, if you're just gonna play with other warhams who already have armies, maybe just get a starter army of one faction and the rules as cheap as you can. Rhaegar posted:Whoops, sorry Dark Imperium is what I meant. White Dwarf is pretty cool. They switched from shorter pamphlets that came out several times per week to one big monthly magazine and I kinda prefer it that way. There's lots of good paints and some decent articles, although since they cover all kinds of stuff from Warhammer to 40k to Blood Bowl and all the side specialist games, sometimes you buy a copy of White Dwarf and there's only like 4 pages actually dedicated to the game you play and are interested in. So some are better than others depending upon which game you play. If you're into everything GW then they're pretty solid for sure. If you're just looking to learn whats going on in 8th, as much as the 4chan-ers are a crazy bunch, their wiki is generally pretty good for quick tips https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics(8E) This is gonna be kinda overkill for you but you can skim through it to get ideas, also check out the specific faction tactics at the end Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:dark vengeance is the 7th ed boxset No the Six-II th ed boxset.
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Rhaegar posted:Also, is White Dwarf good again? Was thinking of going back and picking up a few back issues from this year. Any recommendations? June looks like a good issue to give some insight into Dark Imperium. WD is pretty rad now. They brought back kitbashing, batreps, and all manner of cool stuff.
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My confusion was the guy at the store gave me a Warhammer 40,000 update for Dark Vengeance. Dark Imperium was the boxset he was showing me. Thanks for the reply Zaphod42. I'll have to go back and look at the other armies. I played Space Marines and Elder back in the day. I was intrigued by Tau when they were released a few years back. Are the old models still usable? I assume so. Skitarii? No idea what that was until I just googled it. Looks like there's way more options for armies now.
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I agree on not digging the paint scheme but that model is pretty great. I was expecting this gaunt grim reaper-esque figure and instead we get weird bug-angel man.
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Paint that cowl grey and his scheme would be fine i think. The purple drowns the face entirely. Although it could just be a bad scan of a GW angle.
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He loves the smell of farts so much he huffs them even after becoming an immortal demon.
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Rhaegar posted:My confusion was the guy at the store gave me a Warhammer 40,000 update for Dark Vengeance. Dark Imperium was the boxset he was showing me. Tau are pretty still usable. You'll miss a few wargear options but they didn't lose anything. New Crisis suits look and build amazingly better though. The Dark Vengeance booklet that dude gave you was a update for the contents of the old starter set, Dark Imperium. It's not bad though if you've got some models kicking around and want a few starter games quickly. I think the roster of playable factions has pretty much doubled over the last few years. We got Genestealer Cults back, Deathwatch got their own book as did Thousand Sons and Death Guard. Harlequins split off from the other Eldar factions as did Tempestus Scions from the Guard and we got the AdMech dudes. And now we've got the promises of yet more on the way. adamantium|wang posted:This is a questionable paint scheme That's not the correct shade of poo poo green for Konor M42.000
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I quite like the green/purple/pink mix, it gives him the appearance of some gross infected wound, which seems appropriate.
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Rhaegar posted:My confusion was the guy at the store gave me a Warhammer 40,000 update for Dark Vengeance. Dark Imperium was the boxset he was showing me. Yes all old models are still legal, although some are pretty bad but others are just as good as new models. (I guess there are a few exceptions, like the Goff Rockers) The space marines just had an update we affectionately call "bigmars" or "bigmarines" because they kinda juiced up the scale. They're bigger and more detailed which is actually really cool. GW decided to keep the old smaller marines legal too so as not to invalidate armies, so both can be used and mixed together, but they do look kinda goofy if you're using one and the other next to each other. The big ones cost more and have better stats to kinda explain the difference, but if you're starting fresh and like space marines you may wanna just pick up big marines and avoid the old sculpts enitrely. Tau were the dominant force in 7th by a mile along with Eldar. Tau and Eldar have been really, really strong. Hopefully 8th will change that and balance them some with everybody else  But SMs, Tau and Eldar are all very solid choices.Texmo posted:I quite like the green/purple/pink mix, it gives him the appearance of some gross infected wound, which seems appropriate. Yeah I think its a solid pant scheme myself. That's def Mortarion right? Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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It's practically identical to the original!  edit: not enough boob-horns xtothez fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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Big Morto looks alright, but it's a little too...busy. Like, there's so much going on that model.
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raverrn posted:That model just reminds me of Pickle Rick. With a name like Morty they were already asking for some jokes. Now that you've said that I can't see anything else- I think you've ruined the model for me.
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I can already hear the terrible Morty impressions I'm gonna hear when Tubs McBlight comes out and I can feel the vomit rising instantly.
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SteelMentor posted:I can already hear the terrible Morty impressions I'm gonna hear when Tubs McBlight comes out and I can feel the vomit rising instantly. The terrible Rick impressions he does to order "Morty" around will be way worse.
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That model is so, so, busy I can't tell what's going on or what I'm looking at. I don't want to be h8ter, but I'm with the other goons who say the new GW CAD style has way too much detail.
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lmao who got me the new avatar this is great
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goose willis posted:lmao who got me the new avatar this is great That loving rules. The wings are presumably supposed to make us think of locusts or something. I don't know, not a fan of the model honestly.
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goose willis posted:Why does he have wings Cause Mortarion is a Daemon Prince that has Wings. His Daemon Form has always been described with them.
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I don't really think I like this model, but it isn't bad. I love the way the 30k Mortarion looks, so maybe that is part of why. I really wish his wings were more like a fly. They do have an insectile vibe, but not enough.
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You mothn't criticise his wings. He's very sensitive about them.
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That models getting some hate online (what doesn't) but I think it's rad as gently caress, love the insectoid wings. Really cements my decisions to make Deathguard my next army.
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Yeah, the miasmic pyuria backdrop does the model no favours.
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Model looks great, you guys are so loving hard to please.
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Uroboros posted:Model looks great, you guys are so loving hard to please. Model looks great, GW is just habitually lovely at taking photos of models.
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chutche2 posted:Model looks great, GW is just habitually lovely at taking photos of models. For real, im sure when its out people will love it and we see some custom paint jobs and not poo poo angles.
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Uroboros posted:Model looks great, you guys are so loving hard to please. Oh yeah, it's definitely on my wish list.
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chutche2 posted:Model looks great, GW is just habitually lovely at taking photos of models. Also that scan is artifacted to gently caress. I think it looks rad. SRM made a video about figures which made him start collecting an army, that PickleMorty model is going to do it for a lot of people. If I had the time and the income it would deffo swing me to Death Guard. If you don't like it then just keep using the loving skinny reaper or FW model or whatever jesus christ goons be gooning.
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