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yoober posted:can you show me the official acab statements https://twitter.com/aaronpmarks/status/894266235210403840
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No i didn't, but whatever.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:15
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Loving Life Partner posted:There's been law enforcement since there was property to protect and systems of exploitation to enforce. Once you dispense with these, the scope of and function of any type of justice system will shrink and wither to near non-existence. If you wanna make some gently caress poo poo assed "human nature" argument you better have a hell of a deep education on sociology of the pre-history and be prepared for me to yell "bullshit!" a lot when you regurgitate liberal programming.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:16
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No, anprims are ridiculous.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:16
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Loving Life Partner posted:No, anprims are ridiculous.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:17
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"Acknowledging that there might be a small amount of leftover criminality far beneath what actually exists right now is like saying you can't abolish" Like, gently caress's sake, the CNT-FAI had prisons (with optional labor to shorten your time) for fascist sympathizers.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:18
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that isn't in response to the danny fetonte incident, the thing we're talking about
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Aug 10, 2017 03:18
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Agnosticnixie posted:Yes, this is very clever and hasn't been discussed for the past 10 pages even from an libcom perspective. No one's talking about owning anyone. It'd just be nice if there could be actual discussion instead of a bunch of leftist wanna-be alpha nerds slamming their dicks on the table and declaring themselves the arbiter of all things socialist. I'm not sure if you guys know this or not, but DSA is Democratic Socialists. If y'all want to be all PURGE THE NON-BELIEVERS I think there's a couple of Stalinist organizations you could join.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:19
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i cant believe debby washerman shutz was voted into the DSA's inner circle
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Aug 10, 2017 03:20
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Everyone is getting a horrible perm in Solidarity
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Aug 10, 2017 03:21
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bump_fn posted:i cant believe debby washerman shutz was voted into the DSA's inner circle
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Aug 10, 2017 03:23
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Internet Explorer posted:No one's talking about owning anyone. It'd just be nice if there could be actual discussion instead of a bunch of leftist wanna-be alpha nerds slamming their dicks on the table and declaring themselves the arbiter of all things socialist. I'm not sure if you guys know this or not, but DSA is Democratic Socialists. If y'all want to be all PURGE THE NON-BELIEVERS I think there's a couple of Stalinist organizations you could join. As stated before, I'm an ancom. Democratic socialism includes libleft and leftcom tendencies. It's also not just a club for edgy democrats, that's exactly what the last congress demonstrated. I don't even care if he stays in the Austin branch although it makes me uneasy, him being on the NPC is going to gently caress with the DSA's ability to work in solidarity with a ton of groups that it needs to be able to work with if it wants credibility as a united radical left entity.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:24
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Agnosticnixie posted:united radical left entity. The DSA is not a (and should not be) a radical left entity.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:25
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Venom Snake posted:The DSA is not a (and should not be) a radical left entity. how else can i jack off on my marx texts
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Aug 10, 2017 03:25
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platzapS posted:Hot takes incoming: 7) None of these points is directly relevant to Fetonte, because the main complaint against him is that he omitted relevant history, not that he was irrevocably tainted by sin. (Although I personally hope he resigns)
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Aug 10, 2017 03:26
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i hope literally everyone but fontane resigns
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Aug 10, 2017 03:27
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Loving Life Partner posted:There's been law enforcement since there was property to protect and systems of exploitation to enforce. Once you dispense with these, the scope of and function of any type of justice system will shrink and wither to near non-existence. If you wanna make some gently caress poo poo assed "human nature" argument you better have a hell of a deep education on sociology of the pre-history and be prepared for me to yell "bullshit!" a lot when you regurgitate liberal programming. on all of it
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Aug 10, 2017 03:28
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Venom Snake posted:The DSA is not a (and should not be) a radical left entity. Except the positions it adopted are more or less in line (except on the question of electoralism and that's not a universal thing), part of the effort to grow its membership has been tapping into solidarity from that kind of people.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:28
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maybe tell me what you are if you're not an anprim so i can switch gears
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Aug 10, 2017 03:28
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bump_fn posted:how else can i jack off on my marx texts
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Aug 10, 2017 03:30
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Like it's nothing against ancoms libcoms or any flavor of Unironic Communist but the entire point of the DSA is to semi-unite the disparate left under one general banner. It's not supposed to be a radical left organizing group because alienating socdems/demsocs is inherently counter-productive. That doesn't mean radical leftists can't come along for the ride however or have their own sister orgs.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:31
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R. Mute posted:maybe tell me what you are if you're not an anprim so i can switch gears You know absolutely nothing if you think pointing our how shallowly modernist your human nature argument is was a primitivist position.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:31
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Impermanent posted:c: I have the same information that everyone else does, which is that he deliberately glossed over his time in the CWA while otherwise being very specific on his other jobs. People feel he might have deliberately glossed over his time. They literally don't know whether he did. Just like I literally don't know he didn't. Whether he did it intentionally or not, enough people think that's a problem that it should be addressed or he should step down. Which is a reasonable stand to take. Throw out the cop is not a reasonable stand. I would be surprised if he stays at this point. A lot of locals / caucuses are calling for his resignation. Venom Snake posted:Like it's nothing against ancoms libcoms or any flavor of Unironic Communist but the entire point of the DSA is to semi-unite the disparate left under one general banner. It's not supposed to be a radical left organizing group because alienating socdems/demsocs is inherently counter-productive. That doesn't mean radical leftists can't come along for the ride however or have their own sister orgs. socdems and demsocs are radical positions in america Internet Explorer posted:No one's talking about owning anyone. It'd just be nice if there could be actual discussion instead of a bunch of leftist wanna-be alpha nerds slamming their dicks on the table and declaring themselves the arbiter of all things socialist. I'm not sure if you guys know this or not, but DSA is Democratic Socialists. If y'all want to be all PURGE THE NON-BELIEVERS I think there's a couple of Stalinist organizations you could join. I wish there was actual discussion, but unfortunately it was initially "prison abolition would scare normies, therefore the DSA shouldn't even discuss it" outright dismissal, and now it's "prison abolition is an utopian pipedream and police will always happen because crime" outright dismissal, with no discussion on what was suggested or adopted Minty has issued a correction as of 03:35 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 03:32
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Agnosticnixie posted:Except the positions it adopted are more or less in line (except on the question of electoralism and that's not a universal thing), part of the effort to grow its membership has been tapping into solidarity from that kind of people. Those positions aren't exactly things it will be able to act on at all in the near future. For right now democratic socialist reform is the name of the game and the reality of the situation on the ground. Idk maybe I'm just to much of a softie demsoc who just wants free healthcare and free college Minty posted:socdems and demsocs are radical positions in america Becoming less and less radical by the second. Free college and healthcare by and large are popular with the electorate
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Aug 10, 2017 03:35
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did the tea party have this dumb poo poo infighting
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Aug 10, 2017 03:35
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Agnosticnixie posted:You know absolutely nothing if you think pointing our how shallowly modernist your human nature argument is was a primitivist position.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:36
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like seriously if you want to be an insurgent mass (without the money influx) thinking about how you can gently caress poo poo up short term is legit important
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Aug 10, 2017 03:36
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bump_fn posted:did the tea party have this dumb poo poo infighting Less so but the tea party was well funded astroturfing and not a mashup of groups with 4-5 slightly competing variants of the same ideological family and a bunch of newcomers to the whole thing.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:37
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Venom Snake posted:Idk maybe I'm just to much of a softie demsoc who just wants free healthcare and free college
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Aug 10, 2017 03:37
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Agnosticnixie posted:Less so but the tea party was well funded astroturfing and not a mashup of groups with 4-5 slightly competing variants of the same ideological family and a bunch of newcomers to the whole thing. i know money isn't there but people need to understand the concept of timescales. like years v decades v centuries
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Aug 10, 2017 03:38
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R. Mute posted:that's a socdem, ya goof I mean I'm okay with massive restructuring of stuff like police and such it's just in the short term thats what I care about the most.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:39
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Orlando DSA Statement on the issuequote:We, the undersigned, call on Danny Fetonte to resign from the National Political Committee for omitting his past work with the police union CLEAT from his candidate platform. As the police under capitalism exist to protect the rich, control the poor, and maintain white supremacy, many delegates would have voted differently had this information been disclosed.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:39
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Is there a school of socialism thats fine going for democratic reform but wouldn't be upset if the revolution happened tomorrow as well cause it would mean I wouldn't need to go to work
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Aug 10, 2017 03:40
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Venom Snake posted:I mean I'm okay with massive restructuring of stuff like police and such it's just in the short term thats what I care about the most.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:41
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Venom Snake posted:I mean I'm okay with massive restructuring of stuff like police and such it's just in the short term thats what I care about the most. big goals (such as police / prison abolishment or end of capitalism) inform the small goals (police / prison reform and worker rights), and prevent a group from giving up after only obtaining those small goals
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Aug 10, 2017 03:42
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R. Mute posted:weren't you the most democrat democrat just like a year ago? I mean iv always been sympathetic to leftist stuff but I'm also 21 and what I knew about socialism was "the USSR had cool military stuff oh and economic reform is cool to I guess" up until a few months ago when my life got a very rude awakening
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Aug 10, 2017 03:42
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remember that socialist "pragmatism" isn't centrist pragmatism by any stretch. socialists have an arc that isn't " get rich and die jerkin it"
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Aug 10, 2017 03:44
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R. Mute posted:weren't you the most democrat democrat just like a year ago? tbh looking at the uptick in membership i imagine that's like 90% of the org
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Aug 10, 2017 03:45
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quote:Article VI. Officers and Staff I'm calling shenanigans.
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let's not poo poo on newcomers to socialist theory and active socialism. it's good to come here from the dnc. I know I only started thinking about this stuff seriously when obama bailed out the banks.
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