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What exactly does being trans have to do with Anarcho-Capitalism anyway? Where the hell is the link there, are they a sect of christians fundametalists I don't know about?
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The link is that there are lots of people calling themselves “An-Cap” that are actually either feudalists, neo-Nazis, or both, and have other repugnant attitudes to match.
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eschaton posted:The link is that there are lots of people calling themselves “An-Cap” that are actually either feudalists, neo-Nazis, or both, and have other repugnant attitudes to match. Hell I know someone who claims to be an-cap except they want socialized medicine and other inelastic services that the free market isn't good at providing done by a government. You know, a nice robust central government, like most anarcho-capitalists
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eschaton posted:The link is that there are lots of people calling themselves “An-Cap” that are actually either feudalists, neo-Nazis, or both, and have other repugnant attitudes to match.
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BioEnchanted posted:What exactly does being trans have to do with Anarcho-Capitalism anyway? Where the hell is the link there, are they a sect of christians fundametalists I don't know about? 4chan likes "traps"/crossdressing and a lot of people discover their trans-ness through that (according to my wife they call this 'egg mode') 4chan is also an awful place full of anarcho-capitalists, where anarchy is baked into the fabric of the site by design pookel posted:That doesn't really explain a link to trans people, though? Although I can see how a more libertarian-minded philosophy might appeal to a right-wing douchebag whose personal life conflicted with more traditionalist (i.e. anti-LGBT) right-wing views. Also this, a lot of them that I know are reconciling their newfound sexual / gender freedom of being an adult with their christian conservative upbringing and it's making some, let's say interesting mixtures
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One person I know is nice and fun and likes pretty girl clothes and identifies as something in between genders and loved milo and absolutely hates muslims and boat people and socialized healthcare (they're Australian). They know to never talk about politics with me because the idea of someone that has socialized healthcare and takes it for granted looking at something like the US system and thinking it's a great idea makes me loving furious.
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pookel posted:That doesn't really explain a link to trans people, though? Although I can see how a more libertarian-minded philosophy might appeal to a right-wing douchebag whose personal life conflicted with more traditionalist (i.e. anti-LGBT) right-wing views. It's not even so much that it appeals as it's pretty much the only space for them. Traditionally conservative places were/are pretty hostile to anyone LGTB, and trans/queer spaces are overwhelmingly liberal. The queer teen forum I was involved in as a teen could count on a biannual flounce from someone whining about how PC everyone was and that like-minded fellows should move to a chan with them where they'd be free to discuss whatever  got them in trouble.
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Why are SJWs so violently intolerant of people who don't think the way they do? https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/265276922328662016 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/265278415538630657 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/265279688342134784
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Why are SJWs so violently intolerant of people who don't think the way they do? They really do require complete dehumanization to contextualize people different from them, don't they?
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Why are SJWs so violently intolerant of people who don't think the way they do? gently caress you guy Chesterton owns. Chestertowns. 
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Neon Noodle posted:gently caress you guy Chesterton owns. Chestertowns. Well yeah but he wasn't (Rev's increasingly narrow definition of) a Scientist, so checkmate normie 
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Neon Noodle posted:gently caress you guy Chesterton owns. Chestertowns. Just get an evil SJW to say he was Extremely Problematic, Rev will start loving him
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He is UNBELIEVABLY problematic, he was a pretty bog standard racist and anti-Semite (though not as much as Hillaire Belloc). As a Jew I don't have much problem with the bulk of his oeuvre, I just skip over the short stories where Isidore Immanuel cheats some pure English country peasant out of his ancestral farm.
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Neon Noodle posted:He is UNBELIEVABLY problematic, he was a pretty bog standard racist and anti-Semite (though not as much as Hillaire Belloc). There you go, Rev is writing a tweetstorm about how savage SJWs don't like the greatest writer in english literature right now
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Neon Noodle posted:He is UNBELIEVABLY problematic, he was a pretty bog standard racist and anti-Semite (though not as much as Hillaire Belloc). Read "orthodoxy" and you will have no better arguement for Atheism than any currently conceived. Both himself and Lewis suffered from the problem of being converts, and like all converts they not only wanted you to know it but were astonished that you might disagree. I mean one of the best descriptions of Chesterton I ever read was this: quote:A Frenchman or an Italian, even a devout one, can see the Catholic Church as a normally bureaucratic human institution, the way patriotic Americans see the post office, recognizing the frailty and even the occasional psychosis of its employees without doubting its necessity or its ability to deliver the message. Chesterton writing about the Church is like someone who has just made his first trip to the post office. Look, it delivers letters for the tiny price of a stamp! You write an address on a label, and they will send it anywhere, literally anywhere you like, across a continent and an ocean, in any weather! The fact that the post office attracts timeservers, or has produced an occasional gun massacre, is only proof of the mystical enthusiasm that the post office alone provides! Glorifying the postman beyond what the postman can bear is what you do only if you’re new to mail.
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I love Orthodoxy as a piece of apologia, I find it more captivating as literature than, say, Mere Christianity or Lewis' later apologetics. The Everlasting Man is also kind of wonderful. To me, Chesterton and Lewis (and Tolkien) were crypto-pagans who venerated their ethne to the point of pure idolatry. Aslan being a lion is pretty on the nose. Their Christianities are 9/10ths England worship. There's not a ton of daylight between The Lord of the Rings and Wagner's Ring. Chesterton and Tolkien's theology and political philosophy tend toward affectionate Little England-ism. The hobbits of the Shire, and Chesterton's dispossessed English country peasants, are both oppressed by modernity. The hobbits are threatened by urbanism and technology, the shift to Industrial England in the 19th century (cf. Blake's "satanic mills"). In Chesterton's case, the good hearty peasants of medieval England were undermined by Jewish usury. Chesterton was an Ignatius J. Reilly style tradcath in favor of benign monarchy. Lewis was certainly the least loathsome in political terms. He was also a universalist.
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Neon Noodle posted:I love Orthodoxy as a piece of apologia, I find it more captivating as literature than, say, Mere Christianity or Lewis' later apologetics. The Everlasting Man is also kind of wonderful. I think you're being rather unfair to Tolkien. Tolkien stated that he thought of Middle-Earth as pagan and distinguished this from his personal Catholic beliefs. I don't think he was treating Wagner as a source of theology.
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Neon Noodle posted:Lewis was certainly the least loathsome in political terms. I read both Narnia and LOTR for the first time as an adult, so I didn't have any childhood loyalty muddying the water, and the differences were stark. ETA: Don't forget that Lewis condemned Susan to hell for liking boys and lipstick.
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Silver2195 posted:I think you're being rather unfair to Tolkien. Tolkien stated that he thought of Middle-Earth as pagan and distinguished this from his personal Catholic beliefs. I don't think he was treating Wagner as a source of theology. Oh no, not to imply such a thing, other than a more general reactionary worldview that appears across religion, politics and culture. Funny, Lewis makes the argument (which he borrowed from GKC) that the savior figure as a cross cultural perennial archetype was an argument for Christianity being true. Some ideas just show up everywhere.
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Neon Noodle posted:Chesterton was an Ignatius J. Reilly style tradcath in favor of benign monarchy. Lol no https://www.chesterton.org/democracy-and-industrialism/
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It's a shame Orwell didn't live long enough to read Lord of the Rings. That's an essay I'd love to read.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It's a shame Orwell didn't live long enough to read Lord of the Rings. That's an essay I'd love to read. Angry former colonial administrator vs Oxford Don isn't something I'd usually like to see, but now I really do.
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divabot posted:I was quite pleased to see Yonatan Zunger (who is generally a pretty good guy), whose job it used to be to deal with this sort of fuckwittery, outlining just how this sort of thing actually goes in practice at Google (which Zunger can say now, 'cos he's recently left Google). And why dude just proved himself a failed bozo at engineering. There's a shitload of replies that are basically "wow you didn't read the memo that's totes not what he meant" and one giant effortcomment going into that clutching pearls and putting so much for the tolerant left on a loop lol
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pookel posted:This I have to question, at least insofar as their politics entered their literary works. Lewis was a hell of a racist and misogynist in a way that Tolkien wasn't (I can't speak for Chesterton). Tolkien never portrayed thinly-veiled Arabs as demon-worshipping slave-traders, or asserted that women did not belong in warfare, or claimed that spoiled children needed to be spanked more and taught the Bible in school. Lewis did all of those things in Narnia (and many more - that's just off the top of my head). I don't know about Tolkien not being racist. It's not as blatant as with Lewis, but the whole thing where the Easterlings and Haradrim are "Men of Darkness" who all (or at least mostly) worship Sauron always seemed pretty suspect to me; given that Sauron and Tash are both divine forces of evil, worshipping them is pretty much morally equivalent. We never really see any of their culture, unlike the Calormenes with Lewis, so we don't get presented with the same bevy of Orientalist tropes about cruelty and decadence, but this absence of visible culture is also kind of suspect; the only times they appear in the books are when they're invading/committing violence against the Men of the West, and we never learn anything about Haradrim or Easterling culture or society. In that regard, they're no more humanised than the Calormenes (arguably less so, since there are at least Calormene characters in the Narnia books; there are no Haradrim or Easterling characters in LotR, nor even a tossed-out name for a general or leader, like "so-and-so, atop the great Mumak what's-its-name"), and a good deal more othered; we never see anything of them apart from their violence.
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The Sin of Onan posted:I don't know about Tolkien not being racist. It's not as blatant as with Lewis, but the whole thing where the Easterlings and Haradrim are "Men of Darkness" who all (or at least mostly) worship Sauron always seemed pretty suspect to me; given that Sauron and Tash are both divine forces of evil, worshipping them is pretty much morally equivalent. We never really see any of their culture, unlike the Calormenes with Lewis, so we don't get presented with the same bevy of Orientalist tropes about cruelty and decadence, but this absence of visible culture is also kind of suspect; the only times they appear in the books are when they're invading/committing violence against the Men of the West, and we never learn anything about Haradrim or Easterling culture or society. In that regard, they're no more humanised than the Calormenes (arguably less so, since there are at least Calormene characters in the Narnia books; there are no Haradrim or Easterling characters in LotR, nor even a tossed-out name for a general or leader, like "so-and-so, atop the great Mumak what's-its-name"), and a good deal more othered; we never see anything of them apart from their violence. Mind you, Tolkien does bring this to the reader's attention - Sam sees a Southron's corpse, and marvels at how ordinary he looks, and how they must come from some rich, interesting culture that they sadly have no idea about because they're only interacting with them through a war for survival.
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The Sin of Onan posted:I don't know about Tolkien not being racist. It's not as blatant as with Lewis, but the whole thing where the Easterlings and Haradrim are "Men of Darkness" who all (or at least mostly) worship Sauron always seemed pretty suspect to me; given that Sauron and Tash are both divine forces of evil, worshipping them is pretty much morally equivalent. We never really see any of their culture, unlike the Calormenes with Lewis, so we don't get presented with the same bevy of Orientalist tropes about cruelty and decadence, but this absence of visible culture is also kind of suspect; the only times they appear in the books are when they're invading/committing violence against the Men of the West, and we never learn anything about Haradrim or Easterling culture or society. In that regard, they're no more humanised than the Calormenes (arguably less so, since there are at least Calormene characters in the Narnia books; there are no Haradrim or Easterling characters in LotR, nor even a tossed-out name for a general or leader, like "so-and-so, atop the great Mumak what's-its-name"), and a good deal more othered; we never see anything of them apart from their violence. Kind of true, although I think at one point one of the protagonists sees a Haradrim or Easterling soldier die and wonders what his story was, with some implication that the ones we see are conscripts who were sent to die far from home by kings who sided with Sauron. I was also under the impression that actual worship of Sauron was mostly limited to orcs and the few humans who actually live in Mordor. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 00:46 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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From what I've heard, Tolkien's own Catholic beliefs made him intensely uncomfortable with his own depiction of Orcs as irredeemable Chaotic Evil mooks, but he just couldn't find a way to fix it in his writing.Josef bugman posted:Angry former colonial administrator vs Oxford Don isn't something I'd usually like to see, but now I really do. If you want to see the real George Orwell you need to read his essays and book reviews. His current reputation as the right's pet leftist would horrify him. Vincent Van Goatse has a new favorite as of 01:20 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Orwell was a leftist who hated Stalin and there's a bunch of people who will never, ever forgive that.
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https://twitter.com/PhilSandifer/status/894943057677864960 (see phil's whole thread, it's good) https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/895310003606872064 https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/895312141401468929 https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/895313347154894848 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/895341090030718982 e:https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/895472619096387585 recognizing that HBD and evo-psych are both piles of poo poo means that you hate science Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 03:50 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Fututor Magnus posted:https://twitter.com/PhilSandifer/status/894943057677864960 I started typing a post making fun of these tweets and rewrote it like 3 times because there's so many angles of wrong to pick and now I've decided that I'm just going to emit a low gurgling groaning sound and move on with my day.
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https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/895340427464904711 e: https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/895336659536953344 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/894958376567934976 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/895329058552139777 too much stupid poo poo in his tweets not to post. seriously, how triggered can rev get just by seeing the two words "not ok"? https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/894968401294131201 Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 03:57 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Fututor Magnus posted:https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/895340427464904711 The only "tech journalist" we ever had was sarah jeong, for like 5 pages, until some weirdo asked her to be his "submissive asian wife" and she promptly left. So much for us being a vile safe space full of SJW's!
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if you say "not OK" then that's a clear tell that you're a mindcontrolled SJW e: https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/894250914210619393 what is meant by "pmc": https://twitter.com/thelastinstance/status/894243212046606340 edit the last: i'll just end with this gawker conspiracy theory https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/894221531685036032 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/894221744550158337 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/894226828705103872 Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 04:08 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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I love that Rev has apparently never heard of highly political coverage before Gawker existed  Someone should show him Democracy Now and see if his head explodes when he finds out that started in 1996
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ate all the Oreos posted:I love that Rev has apparently never heard of highly political coverage before Gawker existed his point is that journalists started being leftists around the time gawker popularized being leftist. leftist meaning anybody left of trump. or that's my best guess, sometimes i have genuinely no idea what rev's ranting about. i hope he hatereads this thread and gives some explanation in an angry tweet.
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So does he think people used to be wrong with they complained about liberal bias, but now they're not?
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ThePlague-Daemon posted:So does he think people used to be wrong with they complained about liberal bias, but now they're not? I doubt he's thought it through that far.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I doubt he's thought it through that far. honestly, rev most certainly has. he seems to have built up an entire house of cards of lovely ideology, unlike alt-right pepe types, who only have the topmost layers suspended on top of an airbed of ignorance and wishful thinking.
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Neon Noodle posted:gently caress you guy Chesterton owns. Chestertowns. Well, he did come up with the character Father Brown, a detective so priggish and infuriatingly self-important that he makes Sherlock Holmes look like a humble, down-to-earth person
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