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So apparently TR4 is getting support for the next two generations, and it's theoretical possible to scale to four working chips. I can't wait until 2020 rolls around. Intel: Guys we're release our 10nm 28C/48T product for 2066-V2! Wait, why is no one buying?! AMD: Because 48C/96T bitches! Yeeeehah *leaps out of van*
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Aug 10, 2017 14:34
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The two modes with TR seem to be a pain in the rear end. For me it feels too much unnecessary thinking and tweaking. I'll look at the new intel 6 core models, and if they really can go ~5GHz+ on all cores with decent temps it is the way to go. Amd just won't catch intel in single threaded performance this year. (Or maybe it just looks like so because anandtech used garbo ddr 2400 or something instead of 3200+..) Ihmemies fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 14:38
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FaustianQ posted:So apparently TR4 is getting support for the next two generations, and it's theoretical possible to scale to four working chips. I can't wait until 2020 rolls around. Cinebench multithread scores over 9000?!?
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Aug 10, 2017 14:45
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:view counts make goon sad Yeah they're all basically the same info, just goes to show how much presentation is a factor. Although, with HWC, the presentation is kinda part of the content.
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Aug 10, 2017 14:46
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Ihmemies posted:The two modes with TR seem to be a pain in the rear end. For me it feels too much unnecessary thinking and tweaking. I'll look at the new intel 6 core models, and if they really can go ~5GHz+ on all cores with decent temps it is the way to go. Amd just won't catch intel in single threaded performance this year. lol what? Were you really looking to compare a 6 core chip to a 16 in completely different price and use brackets?
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Aug 10, 2017 14:59
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B-Mac posted:lol what? Were you really looking to compare a 6 core chip to a 16 in completely different price and use brackets? Yes. That's what many people do though. Buy $1000 gaming cpu when a $300-400 cpu would be good enough, or even better.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:02
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Ihmemies posted:Yes. That's what many people do though. Buy $1000 gaming cpu when a $300-400 cpu would be good enough, or even better. I guess I don't see it that often so it seems really silly to me.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:05
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You should buy the latest and greatest Intel prescott extreme edition friend, more gigahertz more powerrrr
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Aug 10, 2017 15:11
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Ihmemies posted:The two modes with TR seem to be a pain in the rear end. For me it feels too much unnecessary thinking and tweaking. I'll look at the new intel 6 core models, and if they really can go ~5GHz+ on all cores with decent temps it is the way to go. Amd just won't catch intel in single threaded performance this year. Are you new to computers and do you know that TR is a HEDT chip, not a consumer gaming CPU?
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Aug 10, 2017 15:14
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I'm at work, what's this UMA NUMA poo poo about?
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Aug 10, 2017 15:17
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Combat Pretzel posted:I'm at work, what's this UMA NUMA poo poo about? Basically AMD has a switch that improves performance depending on whether the program is NUMA aware or not, but you have to activate it manually in UEFI, thus requiring a restart.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:24
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Combat Pretzel posted:I'm at work, what's this UMA NUMA poo poo about? UMA - Both dies are turned on and the CPU scheduler divides processes up between then NUMA - One die is disabled, you now only have 8c/16t. Increases compatibility with games and software. Example, Dirt will not start in UMA mode. FaustianQ posted:Basically AMD has a switch that improves performance depending on whether the program is NUMA aware or not, but you have to activate it manually in UEFI, thus requiring a restart. https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/08/Ryzenmaster_legacy.png from ArsTechnica SlayVus fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 15:27
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Combat Pretzel posted:I'm at work, what's this UMA NUMA poo poo about? Big chips with multiple memory controllers like Threadripper have non-uniform access to memory. What that means is that cores 1-8 have memory that's "local", and so do cores 9-16. Memory latency can vary dramatically based on whether you are reaching out to access non-local memory. Software will either be aware of this and deal with it, or suffer inconsistent performance.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:32
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Man 1900x looks sweet
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Aug 10, 2017 15:36
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SlayVus posted:UMA - Both dies are turned on and the CPU scheduler divides processes up between then Huh, Anandtech article made it sound way more complicated. Also, it doesn't deactivate a die, it just disables SMT.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:38
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PerrineClostermann posted:Are you new to computers and do you know that TR is a HEDT chip, not a consumer gaming CPU? X399 aorus gaming? X399 gaming pro carbon? X399 fatal1ty pro gaming? X399 zenith from asus has no "gaming" but it's republic of gamers branded and comes with full rgb led arrays So please tell that to the motherboard manufacturers, not me. The launch motherboard lineup consists purely of gaming motherboards.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:39
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Ihmemies posted:X399 aorus gaming? X399 gaming pro carbon? X399 fatal1ty pro gaming? X399 zenith from asus has no "gaming" but it's republic of gamers branded and comes with full rgb led arrays I was hoping the TR gaming scores would be better, but the 1800x beats it. Though if you're a streamer, it makes a lot of sense to buy threadripper.
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Aug 10, 2017 15:48
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FaustianQ posted:Huh, Anandtech article made it sound way more complicated. Also, it doesn't deactivate a die, it just disables SMT. Paul says game mode and create mode specially disable a die. https://youtu.be/Fr1ZlUu8v_Q?t=420s
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Aug 10, 2017 15:50
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Eyochigan posted:I was hoping the TR gaming scores would be better, but the 1800x beats it. Though if you're a streamer, it makes a lot of sense to buy threadripper. This is going to kill the little 2-in-1 cases that let you put a mITX encoding PC in the same case as your ATX gaming PC.
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SlayVus posted:UMA - Both dies are turned on and the CPU scheduler divides processes up between then UMA - Both dies are turned on and managed by "AMD" so it appears to just be a 16 core/32t processor at the OS and beyond level NUMA - Both dies are turned on but they function more like two physical 8core/16t processors at the software level. The big difference is UMA mode has to auto-magic away the memory latency differences between dies so you get +/- ~20% performance depending on what happens. NUMA has the faster performance "always" unless a NUMA-aware application needs to do an operation that takes the performance hit. I think? I am not really up on how windows deals with this stuff. The other mode switch, that AMD calls "Legacy Gaming Mode" or something, is pretty much smt/hyperthreading on or off. At least that's how the anandtech article describes it, and judging by the performance in some of the benchmarks it seems true. I don't know if anyone has benchmarked UMA vs NUMA, but you have to be nostradmus to predict which applications and loads will come out ahead on which. It relies on so many unknown factors. Generally, if it's a high core application that supports NUMA then NUMA will be better. If it's a low core application, provided the UMA implementation is solid, it shouldn't matter. If it's a high core implementation and doesn't support NUMA then UMA should be better? Anandtech didn't bench this and I haven't hunted around for other benchmarks. NUMA architectures are fairly common on the server side. We have a machine with 120 or so 16 core numa nodes. 
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Ihmemies posted:X399 aorus gaming? X399 gaming pro carbon? X399 fatal1ty pro gaming? X399 zenith from asus has no "gaming" but it's republic of gamers branded and comes with full rgb led arrays I didn't know they designed threadripper
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https://www.computerbase.de/2017-08/amd-ryzen-threadripper-test-1950x-1920x/3 2/4 channel testing It's too bad serve the home doesn't have a threadripper review
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Khorne posted:The other mode switch, that AMD calls "Legacy Gaming Mode" or something, is pretty much smt/hyperthreading on or off. At least that's how the anandtech article describes it, and judging by the performance in some of the benchmarks it seems true. Legacy mode specifically disables a die, not SMT. https://youtu.be/Fr1ZlUu8v_Q?t=420s At least according to this review. This way, for games and applications that aren't NUMA aware, they don't have to worry about any of that.
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FaustianQ posted:Basically AMD has a switch that improves performance depending on whether the program is NUMA aware or not, but you have to activate it manually in UEFI, thus requiring a restart. Isn't it in the os, via the Ryzen master app? GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 16:04
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SlayVus posted:Legacy mode specifically disables a die, not SMT. https://youtu.be/Fr1ZlUu8v_Q?t=420s At least according to this review. This way, for games and applications that aren't NUMA aware, they don't have to worry about any of that. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/4 (UMA/NUMA are the page before, that's Legacy) http://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/7 (Digicortex benchmark, legacy mode destroys it) The UMA/NUMA switch is for things that aren't NUMA aware. All anand benches are in UMA mode The legacy mode switch is SMT (amd's hypterthreading) on/off. My understanding is: UMA+Legacy Mode shows 16 cores/16 threads NUMA+Legacy Mode should show two 8core/8threads UMA should show 16cores/32threads and work with any application that can support 32 threads (DiRT was the given example of one hardcoded to not support more than 20) NUMA should show two 8 cores/16 threads. With that said, I am just reading about the threadripper now that benchmarks are out. I could be wrong. Khorne fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 16:07
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1920X/1950X OOS @ amazon
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Aug 10, 2017 16:12
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Risky Bisquick posted:1920X/1950X OOS @ amazon Jesus. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Isn't it in the os, via the Ryzen master app? Anandtech was saying it was a BIOS/UEFI thing, but apparently it's not?
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Aug 10, 2017 16:14
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Yeah, Ars Technica has a screenshot of Ryzen Master with the option to enable Legacy mode and switch betewen UMA/NUMA. They said they got it quite late though.
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There it is.
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From what I can tell you can change it in the Ryzen Master app but it still requires a reboot
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TechRadar http://www.techradar.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x "Games are absolutely playable" 
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Risky Bisquick posted:TechRadar .....are they trying to make that graph misleading or bloat Intel's lead? Who is able to see an 8th of a frame?
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All these reviews are just benchmarks comparisons against i9. I want a review of the actual platform, with examples of the kind of ludicrous bullshit you can get up to with 64 pcie lanes. What kind of video editing rig will you end up with if you make a point of jamming as much supplemental processing and nvme drives as possible into one system?
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If games were aware of TR, there shouldn't be any difference between it and Ryzen (except on really thread heavy games), right? Guessing AMD can implement some patches with game devs, like it did with Ryzen? (If they cba) Risky Bisquick posted:TechRadar http://www.techradar.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x
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Risky Bisquick posted:TechRadar http://www.techradar.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x oh man  the average difference in a worst case scenario (720p) seems to be around 1-2% and near zero at higher resolutions. it seems like they added that legacy switch because some games like F1 2016 simply wouldn't launch on the 1950X with all cores/threads enabled 
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Risky Bisquick posted:TechRadar http://www.techradar.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x  I had to check the article because I didn't believe you e: Looks like they updated the graph to not be stupid PerrineClostermann fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Just trodded through the Anandtech review. So they've compared Game Mode vs. Creator Mode. So in game mode SMT is disabled, too? I wonder how things look like with UMA but SMT enabled. Are there reviews that did that? That said, the Anandtech one throttled my enthusiasm a bit.
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PerrineClostermann posted:
A saved image of the page bahaha  ed: bahahahaha 
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Watching noted idiot Kyle Bennett destroy a $400 motherboard and rub his greasy jizz covered fingers all over the contacts of a 1950x has already made this the best AMD launch ever.
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