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The new Mortarion looks like a beautifully sculpted model that I'd never, ever want to paint. That's kind of been the running theme of all the Chaos releases for me over the past few years though. Also his Soul Edge scythe looks kinda awkward. I'm not a huge fan of the 30k one either though. Tallyman dude owns though, that's the weird 40k poo poo I love.Lovely Joe Stalin posted:What makes the Primaris models look good is the shockingly clean silhouettes. It used to be a hallmark of Marines and it is wonderful to go back to it.
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What are people doing for their line troops in Admech? I split the spruce in the Starter box for a min unit of Rangers with an Arquebus + Omnispex and a min unit of Vanguard with Plasma + Data Tether, and I kinda feel like I hosed up doing that. Particular on outfitting the Alphas where I did what was on the box for the Ranger and gave the Alpha a power sword. I know I'm only going to play casually and it's not a big deal, but what should I be doing regarding troops?
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Aug 10, 2017 16:28
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Just look at the DA and BA kits for that nonsense ruining them. The DA all got swords or reliquaries on their backs, and the Blood Angels Tacticals are straight up wearing Trump's apartment.
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Aug 10, 2017 16:30
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Just look at the DA and BA kits for that nonsense ruining them. The DA all got swords or reliquaries on their backs, and the Blood Angels Tacticals are straight up wearing Trump's apartment. Things I bought 1 of and will not buy another: BA tactical squads. Way too much bling. The sanguinary guard and death company are pretty bad for being over-detailed too. Really enjoying painting up primaris, even the characters don't have too much random poo poo.
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Aug 10, 2017 16:32
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For Ad Mech troops I'm using a drawer and a ziploc of loose parts because gently caress cleaning those infantry models, and double gently caress their dangly rad detector bits that snap off when you clip them from the sprue.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:For Ad Mech troops I'm using a drawer and a ziploc of loose parts because gently caress cleaning those infantry models, and double gently caress their dangly rad detector bits that snap off when you clip them from the sprue. Word of advice - don't glue those fuckers to the base until you've done the inside of the robe, or you will be very, very sad.
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Aug 10, 2017 16:35
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Corrode posted:Lol did they really forget about Ironclad launchers twice Yes they did. And they still didn't add a Combat Shield to the Company Champion's wargear profile.
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Every leaked picture is a grainy, low-res piece of poo poo. It's 2017. They gotta be doing it themselves to build hype. Ah yes, just like their brilliant marketing strategy of "leaking blurry photos of every page of the index books" last month
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The Deleter posted:What are people doing for their line troops in Admech? I split the spruce in the Starter box for a min unit of Rangers with an Arquebus + Omnispex and a min unit of Vanguard with Plasma + Data Tether, and I kinda feel like I hosed up doing that. Particular on outfitting the Alphas where I did what was on the box for the Ranger and gave the Alpha a power sword. I know I'm only going to play casually and it's not a big deal, but what should I be doing regarding troops? I'm planning to use robots instead of Skitarii since Skitarii seem lame as hell. Booley posted:Things I bought 1 of and will not buy another: BA tactical squads. Way too much bling. The sanguinary guard and death company are pretty bad for being over-detailed too. Really enjoying painting up primaris, even the characters don't have too much random poo poo. It took me the better part of a decade to paint all my BA because those things are loving exhausting to paint, even considering that I mixed and matched 1:1 with regular SM.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Just look at the DA and BA kits for that nonsense ruining them. The DA all got swords or reliquaries on their backs, and the Blood Angels Tacticals are straight up wearing Trump's apartment. I feel personally attacked.
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Pendent posted:I feel personally attacked. Lots of nipples in his apartment, you see
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I like that Reiver sergeants can use both a knife and a gun. Makes me want to make them MSU size, so I can get two grenade throws for unit disabling (one for the Reivers, one for their Aggressor neighbors), two powerful carbine shots, and then two power charges.
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Played against double necron pilons last night with my Bobby g 3 raven list. Those things are terrifying. Kill a vehicle a turn.
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Did you win? I heard they don't do much at all to infantry by comparison.
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The Deleter posted:What are people doing for their line troops in Admech? I split the spruce in the Starter box for a min unit of Rangers with an Arquebus + Omnispex and a min unit of Vanguard with Plasma + Data Tether, and I kinda feel like I hosed up doing that. Particular on outfitting the Alphas where I did what was on the box for the Ranger and gave the Alpha a power sword. I know I'm only going to play casually and it's not a big deal, but what should I be doing regarding troops? For my Skitarii, I only have 2 squads. 1 Ranger (with 2 Arquebus and 1 Plasma, Omnispex, Alpha has Arc Pistol + Power Maul) and 1 Vanguard. I forget what the Vanguard have, but they definitely have the Omnispex and I think Arc Rifles? I'm not sure. The alpha has a radium pistol and a power sword. Corrode posted:I'm planning to use robots instead of Skitarii since Skitarii seem lame as hell. Yep. This is what I'm doing for my line troops. T5, W3 troops that fire off 5 Heavy Grav shots each? Yes please. Stick them next to your Dunecrawlers + Cawl, watch things melt, it's a great time.
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I tried the CSMblob Black Legion. It's stupid and works surprisingly well. The BL trait makes all their marines surprisingly mobile too, being able to advance every turn.
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I'm still having trouble making really good Space Marine lists. I'm playing Raven Guard because my dudes have raven icons and I'm emo. So, the RG tactic plus the existence of Apothecaries and Ancients pushes me towards infantry. But vehicles are also really good, so I am kinda ambivalent. I've found jump packs to be a little lackluster, and I find myself lacking in anti-tank every game. What are people running in terms of Marines lists that aren't Bobby G parking lots?
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Aug 10, 2017 17:49
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I tried the CSMblob Black Legion. how many squads did you take? I'm considering doing the same but I need to figure out how many squads to paint up.
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Aug 10, 2017 17:58
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TheChirurgeon posted:how many squads did you take? I'm considering doing the same but I need to figure out how many squads to paint up. 2 squads of 20. I've only got 20 painted up, so I proxied the other unit. Basically just jammed them straight up the middle of the board because there's no way in hell any terrain will give 20 marines cover.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:2 squads of 20. I've only got 20 painted up, so I proxied the other unit. Neat. Do you think it would it have worked better as 4 squads of 10? or 3 squads of 15?
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TheChirurgeon posted:Neat. Do you think it would it have worked better as 4 squads of 10? or 3 squads of 15? I'd say 4 squads of 10 just to get more special/heavy weapons. Basically, the bloblist is a gimmick list, and it works about as well as any other gimmick list. Hard to make your opponent deal with that many 3+ armour saves, but really handicapped in a lot of other areas (anti-tank being the big drawback).
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I'd say 4 squads of 10 just to get more special/heavy weapons. Basically, the bloblist is a gimmick list, and it works about as well as any other gimmick list. Hard to make your opponent deal with that many 3+ armour saves, but really handicapped in a lot of other areas (anti-tank being the big drawback). Fair enough. Time to order some plasma gun bitz
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JoshTheStampede posted:I'm still having trouble making really good Space Marine lists. I'm playing Raven Guard because my dudes have raven icons and I'm emo. So, the RG tactic plus the existence of Apothecaries and Ancients pushes me towards infantry. But vehicles are also really good, so I am kinda ambivalent. I've found jump packs to be a little lackluster, and I find myself lacking in anti-tank every game. What are people running in terms of Marines lists that aren't Bobby G parking lots? Naramyth will probably tell me I'm doing it wrong but for 2k pure Marines I have: Pedro Naked LT (Teeth of Terra) 2x rifle dreads 3x 5 tacs, flamers 2x 5 bikes, fist, 2 plasma HB Devs LRC 3x asscan razorbacks Low drops, lots of infantry clearing stuff, plenty of anti-tank although I'd probably struggle against another Raider. The main thing I was finding was a lack of movement and the bikes do a lot to mitigate that and 10 T5 wounds is decent for parking on a remote objective.
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https://warhammer40000.com/mission-3-hold-line/ Tyranid players are going to be pissed. You need vehicles for this one. Here's what I'm bringing this week. Captain and the 5 man tac squad in the stormraven, vanguardand the assault marines in the razorback. ++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [83 PL, 1500pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + **Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands + HQ + Captain [5 PL, 74pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Teeth of Terra Chaplain [5 PL, 72pts]: Bolt pistol + Troops + Scout Squad [6 PL, 65pts] . . Scout Sergeant: Boltgun, Chainsword . . 3x Scout w/Boltgun . . Scout w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter Tactical Squad [5 PL, 97pts] . . 3x Space Marine . . Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Combi-melta . . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun Tactical Squad [9 PL, 155pts] . . 7x Space Marine . . Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter . . Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter . . Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun + Elites + Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon Vanguard Veteran Squad [7 PL, 110pts] . . Space Marine Veteran: Bolt Pistol & Chainsword . . Space Marine Veteran: Bolt Pistol & Chainsword . . Space Marine Veteran: Bolt pistol, Power sword . . Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield . . Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer + Heavy Support + Predator [9 PL, 160pts]: Twin lascannon, Two Heavy Bolters Predator [9 PL, 189pts]: Predator autocannon, Two Lascannons + Flyer + Stormraven Gunship [15 PL, 311pts]: Twin assault cannon, Twin multi-melta, Two Hurricane Bolters, Two Stormstrike Missile Launchers + Dedicated Transport + Razorback [5 PL, 102pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon Created with BattleScribe
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JoshTheStampede posted:I'm still having trouble making really good Space Marine lists. I'm playing Raven Guard because my dudes have raven icons and I'm emo. So, the RG tactic plus the existence of Apothecaries and Ancients pushes me towards infantry. But vehicles are also really good, so I am kinda ambivalent. I've found jump packs to be a little lackluster, and I find myself lacking in anti-tank every game. What are people running in terms of Marines lists that aren't Bobby G parking lots? I too run Raven Guard, and I flood the board with long range heavy weapons. Generally I go Hammer and Anvil, with the Hammer being Deep Striking Terminators (backed up with Deep Striking Tempestus Scions when I run mixed Guard/Marine lists) and a APC mobile element in Razorbacks and/or Rhinos. The Anvil is a heavy weapon laden gun line usually featuring Sternguard and/or Devastators. I'm a big fan of massed Missile Launchers on my Devs and rear-line Sternguard, though that's partially because my usual opponents (Dark Eldar, Marines, Chaos, and Necrons) don't have much T8 in their collections. The trick to it, to my mind, is that the two primary Raven Guard abilities (-1 to hit past 12" and ability to setup pre-game 9"+ away from the enemy) can be leveraged really well in a long range shooting army with enough mobile elements to punish your enemy as they inevitably try to close in. For instance, I like to reserve one ten man Sternguard unit with a couple of Missile Launchers and everyone else with Special Issue Bolters as a Strike from the Shadows unit. Then I'll build a gunline with my big guns and set up my APCs either to support the line or to threaten an objective somewhere. Finally, once I've seen how everything's deployed, I'll dump my Shadowy Sternguard on on objective or in some good cover somewhere or, occasionally, if I'm reasonably sure I'm going first and there's an isolated target, I'll put 'em 14-15" away from an enemy so I can Rapid Fire massed S.I.Bolters in to 'em.
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Zuul the Cat posted:For my Skitarii, I only have 2 squads. 1 Ranger (with 2 Arquebus and 1 Plasma, Omnispex, Alpha has Arc Pistol + Power Maul) and 1 Vanguard. I forget what the Vanguard have, but they definitely have the Omnispex and I think Arc Rifles? I'm not sure. The alpha has a radium pistol and a power sword. This seems right. I hope Skitarii get a buff in the codex because I like their models way more than the Servitors.
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Mortarion is busy but he's a primarch, they've gotta be pretty ostentatious. If you're going to dial anything back it should be the other Death Guard members. Those pics still aren't great but when we see some real high def pics in different paint schemes I think the doubters will be sold on him. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:GW really needs to fire their photographer. That's the third or fourth time a new model has looked like rear end when they first revealed it. More than third or fourth, its been a serious problem for awhile now.
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Having a bit of a headscratcher with the wound allocation rules and getting previous editions all mixed up. Say you have a squad of Terminators, one dude has a storm shield and the others don't. The squad takes 20 wounds from meltaguns. Do you have to allocate the rolls before rolling, or do you just start rolling one die at a time on the storm shield guy until he dies, then move on to rolling 5+'s?
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jng2058 posted:I too run Raven Guard, and I flood the board with long range heavy weapons. Generally I go Hammer and Anvil, with the Hammer being Deep Striking Terminators (backed up with Deep Striking Tempestus Scions when I run mixed Guard/Marine lists) and a APC mobile element in Razorbacks and/or Rhinos. The Anvil is a heavy weapon laden gun line usually featuring Sternguard and/or Devastators. I'm a big fan of massed Missile Launchers on my Devs and rear-line Sternguard, though that's partially because my usual opponents (Dark Eldar, Marines, Chaos, and Necrons) don't have much T8 in their collections. This sounds like mostly my playstyle, maybe with a few dreadnoughts sprinkled in somewhere. Do you generally run assault termies or shooty ones?
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Having a bit of a headscratcher with the wound allocation rules and getting previous editions all mixed up. It's a hybrid ruleset now. You can roll all those wounds on the storm shield guy, but once he suffers one wound, damage needs to be allocated onto him until he dies. So you can choose where wounds go, but once someone is injured, they have to take wounds until they die.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:It's a hybrid ruleset now. You can roll all those wounds on the storm shield guy, but once he suffers one wound, damage needs to be allocated onto him until he dies. So you would roll 20 dice on a 3+ and as soon as that guy eats it, the damage spills over to the rest of the unit?
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Having a bit of a headscratcher with the wound allocation rules and getting previous editions all mixed up. Technically speaking, you allocate a wound, save for it, remove any casualties and then move on to the next one. Once one Terminator takes an unsaved wound, all future wounds have to go on that guy until he's dead. So if you want to put evverything on the shield, you have to do it one at a time so you know how many he eats before he dies.
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Uroboros posted:Did you win? I heard they don't do much at all to infantry by comparison. OH god no. 2 ravens died turn one, another died the next turn and bobby g got overrun by flayed ones and didn't stand up. I didn't have the anti infantry to clear them once the ravens were dead and they picked up my earth shakers. All I had left was Celestine hiding behind LOS blocking away from all of his infantry at the end of the game. I wouldn't worry a ton about them except that he is coming with to Flying Monkey and I'm going to bump into him, because that's what happens. I'm looking to diversify hard into infantry. I think I'm going to try the banner thing tomorrow and see how it goes. Corrode posted:Naramyth will probably tell me I'm doing it wrong but for 2k pure Marines I have: terrible  I don't hate it except the tac marines. They should probably just be scouts if you are trying to sneak in obsec/pure faction. And without bobby G you need lascannons or something to crack open big vehicles/forts.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Having a bit of a headscratcher with the wound allocation rules and getting previous editions all mixed up. Defender picks and the only hard rule is if somebody takes a wound they have to keep taking wounds, so you could allocate them to the same guy until he dies or somebody else. Dr. Clockwork posted:So you would roll 20 dice on a 3+ and as soon as that guy eats it, the damage spills over to the rest of the unit? Yes, you roll 5+ saves for him until he dies and then they spill over.
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But you can't just roll those all at once. Because some unknown number of them are 3+ saves and the rest are 5+. You have to roll them one at a time at 3+ until the shield guy dies, and then move on to another model.
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JoshTheStampede posted:But you can't just roll those all at once. Because some unknown number of them are 3+ saves and the rest are 5+. You have to roll them one at a time at 3+ until the shield guy dies, and then move on to another model. Oh I thought he meant 3+ for the hit roll. Yeah if you're talking armor saves then you have to roll whichever until he dies first.
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It's important to clarify; damage doesn't spill over unless it's from mortal wounds. You'd allocate Wounds to your storm shield terminator and roll saves, one at a time, until he failed and took damage. Once he takes 1 point of damage, you *have* to allocate wounds to him until he dies. Once he dies, you start allocating remaining wounds to the next model, repeating the process but with that model's save.
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xtothez posted:Haha, posted under 10mins after me: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/10/the-death-lord-comes-aug-10gw-homepage-post-4/ Does every Death Guard model need tentacles though? I get slapping some here and there, but every single model? It's actually becoming a problem.
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Asked in the mini painting thread, but after seeing some of the new paint jobs on the new models I'm tweaking my Death Guard color scheme before I finalize it. Basically trying to do an "faded/rotted" version of secondary colors - olive pauldrons & parts of backpacks, ochre fungal growths, fuchisa cloth & tentacles, and greyish - washed skin (Going to follow Duncan's method for painting poxwalker flesh from now on) . Did a quick color change in photoshop so it doesn't quite match with the color I will use (screamer pink), but how does the guy on the right look with the fuchsia? Would it work in this color scheme for all cloth, like the bib on the Blightbringer and the hood on the Plaguecaster? Edit: also, I'm going to darken the brass so it boosts the contrast up a bit more between it, ochre, and rusty parts. Alternatively I could go with the scheme on the guy on the left, but I think I like the pre-heresy style of colors better overall. Works better with the DI models that don't have thick trim all over each part of the armor. Fake James fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Corrode posted:Naramyth will probably tell me I'm doing it wrong but for 2k pure Marines I have: You got plenty of anti-infantry. Drop the flamers and LRC, get something that has some anti-tank punch like a Quad-Las Pred.
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