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curufinor posted:genocide vs. different genocide? The US stopped official genocide policies in the early 20th century. Canada did it in the loving 90s.
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hobbesmaster posted:The US stopped official genocide policies in the early 20th century. Canada did it in the loving 90s. See also; Australia, the Stolen Generations. Canada had the same hyper-abusive 'schools' for native children to be routinely tortured, raped, neglected and probably murdered and buried in unmarked mass graves.
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In 1993, they created a Canadian History/Culture cabinet position and there was a massive debate about whether Native Canadians should be counted as Canadians and part of Canadian history. They ended up going with a single line saying "Natives lived in the territory that would become Canada for hundreds of years. Some people consider them to be the "original" Canadians." One of the arguments against including Native Canadians was "Why are we sending Canadian kids to re-education camps if we are going to recognize them as Canadian?" And people said, "Yeah, that makes sense. You can't get rid of the re-education camps. Just acknowledge they exist as part of Canadian history and call it a day."
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And now that residential schools are closed, racism is done forever so people expect Native people to just get jobs and get over it Meanwhile people have the image of Natives as drunks/thieves/beggars so they won't hire them, while simultaneously hating on the equal opportunity programs that say you should hire some native people and this takes away a job from a white man somehow. We also put their reserves in lovely locations, one in Ontario is near where Winnipeg gets it's drinking water but the reserve itself has had a drinking water advisory for years. We are literally waiting until the "problem" solves itself by having the reserves just die out
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Yeah it's not that American treatment of native people is good. It's just that Canadian treatment is so so so much worse.
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fishmech posted:Yeah it's not that American treatment of native people is good. It's just that Canadian treatment is so so so much worse. That always surprises me.
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RandomPauI posted:That always surprises me. The most racist dude I ever met (until I met a white South African) was from Toronto.
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but at least canadians are more polite when they genocide
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fishmech posted:Yeah it's not that American treatment of native people is good. It's just that Canadian treatment is so so so much worse. I don't think anyone's surprised to hear how bad Australia treats its natives, but Canada does almost exactly the same things. And most of Australia's political class still seem to see Aboriginals as animals. (which they legally were for some time)
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Inescapable Duck posted:I don't think anyone's surprised to hear how bad Australia treats its natives, but Canada does almost exactly the same things. And most of Australia's political class still seem to see Aboriginals as animals. (which they legally were for some time) Now, when you think about it, all humans are animals 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:Now, when you think about it, all humans are animals I mean, literally classified as wildlife til like the 70s.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I mean, literally classified as wildlife til like the 70s. 
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Macy's Is Running Out of Levers to Pull https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-08-10/macy-s-earnings-running-out-of-turnaround-levers Macy's posted it's tenth consecutive quarterly decline today. It's in track to lay off 10,000 of its employees this year.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I mean, literally classified as wildlife til like the 70s. This is a myth
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simmyb posted:This is a myth I assume you have sources to back this up?
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OhFunny posted:Macy's Is Running Out of Levers to Pull Luckily coal jobs will help offset these job losses.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I assume you have sources to back this up? LMGTFY http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/03/10/myths-persist-about-1967-referendum
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Another article on Sears and Lampert The Incredible Shrinking Sears https://nyti.ms/2uOeTsH
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fishmech posted:They aren't though, in fact they're a lot more hosed up on a lot of issues, like treatment of native peoples. If you believe this I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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BrandorKP posted:Another article on Sears and Lampert As someone else in logistics, the story of Sears must be sad to watch. It is for me. They had their chance, could have been a much better version of Amazon and the current online incarnation of Walmart. But no. Run into the ground by a hedgefund Randoid.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Yeah, it's far from ideal. "Getting to the airport" is like the (one of the?) bare minimum of a public transit system. It does seem like most major metro areas offer something like that, even if it's a Park-and-Ride or whatever. Living without a car requires a hell of a lot more out of a transit system (and I can imagine there's less than 10 major metro areas where it's realistic) but most cities have at least laid the groundwork, they just need to raise taxes, remove the concept of fares and expand their networks. Why yes, I too believe that public transport is a realistic option if cities totally revamp how they run and fund it and make massive infrastructure investments. You goddamn simpleton. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Aug 18, 2017 |
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BlueBlazer posted:Sears must be sad to watch. A long time ago when was a kid Dad bought our first serious computer from Sears. At the time it cost about as much as the trailer we lived in. I remember the box coming down a conveyor belt at the store (wow when did sears drop those). I think we bought our first, CGA (then eventually VGA) graphics cards from the same Sears. First computer I went on the internet with. It's kind of amazing for a company to blow through as much goodwill Sears had as a brand before it started declining.
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fishmech posted:Yeah it's not that American treatment of native people is good. It's just that Canadian treatment is so so so much worse. A lot of this comes down to how Native self-government works. In the United States, tribes are legally distinct sovereign governments (alongside states and the feds). This means they have a bunch of the same powers that the states and feds do. They make their own laws, and can enforce them over members and (sometimes) non-members. They have courts to hear civil or criminal cases, they have police and jails, they can implement taxes and set up their own schools and whatever. They're also exempt from many state laws, and in many cases exempt from state cops or courts. And starting in the 70s, Nixon of all people started a push to give tribes a lot more control over federal decisions affecting them, which has continued to grow through today. In practice, tribes have most of the power over what the feds do on their land - they decide how the Indian Health Service spends money, or whether the BLM should allow mining, they get to run their own pollution control plans under the Clean Air and Water Acts, etc. In Canada, the different nations don't have any legal sovereignty. A few of them have agreements with the federal government that let them exercise a tiny bit of power, but those are sharply limited in what subjects they can govern; and most nations don't have those agreements at all. Whether or not a given people has an agreement, the provincial and local governments still have jurisdiction over them in terms of criminal laws and civil regulations. And from what I understand, the federal government retains much more active control over federal funding than in the US, which means it has way more leverage over every other aspect of life. Like don't get me wrong, there are still a shitload of gaps in tribal jurisdiction in the US, and concomitant problems. (And Native people who aren't tribal members have it really bad.) But the US provides a much better legal framework for Native people to work with, and it's led to much better results.
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BrandorKP posted:A long time ago when was a kid Dad bought our first serious computer from Sears. At the time it cost about as much as the trailer we lived in. I remember the box coming down a conveyor belt at the store (wow when did sears drop those). I think we bought our first, CGA (then eventually VGA) graphics cards from the same Sears. First computer I went on the internet with. I don't recall Sears ever doing the conveyor belt thing. You sure it wasn't a Service Merchandise?
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ReidRansom posted:I don't recall Sears ever doing the conveyor belt thing. You sure it wasn't a Service Merchandise? I remember in the early 90's that Sears had a conveyor belt thing. I remember my mom picking up a CD player stereo and a Christmas tree off them, probably much more, I actually think the orders from the catalog were picked up from there, but the two above items were bought in store.
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ReidRansom posted:I don't recall Sears ever doing the conveyor belt thing. You sure it wasn't a Service Merchandise? Probably just the way the loading dock was setup at that sears.
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I remember the conveyer belt too, also from the early 90s! My family had purchased a TV there and I remember giddily waiting for it and being super excited when it started to peak from behind the Sears Blue colored plastic flaps and enter our lives.
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Yeah I hadn't considered the catalog items angle, and I guess it would make sense for other large or expensive items as well. What I do remember though is candy counters. I don't think I've seen one of those in a department store in ages.
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Man, the conveyor belt thing got me to thinking about BEST Stores. It was strange perusing a showroom that looked like the early seasons of Wheel of Fortune where you had to buy tacky poo poo with your winnings (think ceramic dalmatians and poo poo), but it was really ingenious because you save on floorspace and didn't have to restock shelves. You would either find what you were looking for on the shelf or display and tell the clerk about purchasing it, or you would look through the store catalog if you didn't find it in store. Your order would be processed, and then it would come down a conveyor belt from the stock room in back. That's how I giddily bought a couple of Sega Genesis games 
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Best was cool as hell. I miss them.
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ReidRansom posted:What I do remember though is candy counters. I don't think I've seen one of those in a department store in ages. The larger Bay stores still have them.
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You Are A Elf posted:Man, the conveyor belt thing got me to thinking about BEST Stores. Come to Britain, we still have Argos and you might just meet a future president of a small African nation on your way out 
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You Are A Elf posted:Man, the conveyor belt thing got me to thinking about BEST Stores. Holy poo poo, that's a blast from the past.
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I grew up not far from their famous "indeterminate facade" store. I remember thinking as a kid that a hurricane must've done it.
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What the gently caress kind of ultramodern avant garde poo poo is that?! It rules
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Neon Noodle posted:What the gently caress kind of ultramodern avant garde poo poo is that?! It rules I have to wonder if average guys that lay brick/concrete/weld/do anything structural in these projects ever get a kick out of working on something like this. I've always wanted an interview with the work contractors that actually have to put together Frank Gehry's (generally hideous) buildings.
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Neon Noodle posted:What the gently caress kind of ultramodern avant garde poo poo is that?! It rules That's a postmodern move, if anything. Right out of the Stirling book, if it also benefits the functioning of the store.
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I remember living near a suburban town that had a brand new development that was called "[Town Name] Station". It had a cutesy motif of a railway station. Cast iron decorations, clapboard siding painted red, peaked roofs, platform styled walkways, steam clock. Of course you could only drive to it in order to shop, and the town itself never had a rail service and was not even close to a rail line. The entire suburban landscape is post-modern.
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