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the outer suburbs and exurbs, smaller cities and towns and rural areas of America’s vast red interior.

loquacius posted:

Do they have to be the same kind of donut

Calibanibal posted:

well yeah otherwise it wouldnt fit...

Main Paineframe posted:

the founder of the New Democrats is launching an new political movement

it's called New Democracy

no, I'm not making that up

it's a "radically pragmatic" movement based around "expanding the party" and "building a strong coalition"

the organization will be a combo thinktank/superPAC that will support "pragmatic" candidates in "Middle America" "places Democrats have been losing"

yes, I said "pragmatic" twice. that word is all over their loving site

seriously just look at this poo poo

loquacius posted:

Do they have to be the same kind of donut

Shear Modulus posted:

this hole...it was meant for me

loquacius posted:

At any point do they explain why they think this is a new strategy in some way, or why it'll work

Like, they throw out phrases like "Having sleepwalked into minority party status, Democrats can’t win simply by “energizing” a base that’s not big enough" which is correct, I'm just not getting how third-waying even harder than we have been for 25 years is the answer

Main Paineframe posted:

their explanation is "it worked in the 90s, but after 2000 the party went too far to the left and alienated all those moderates we needed to win, causing the party to undergo a deep-rooted collapse that was masked by Obama's successes"

reading between the lines, it seems like their explanation for 2016 is that Hillary lost because she was too far-left, possibly due to "ideologues" and "interest groups" that pushed her toward a "left-wing orthodoxy" and didn't leave her "room to maneuver"

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Main Paineframe posted:

their explanation is "it worked in the 90s, but after 2000 the party went too far to the left and alienated all those moderates we needed to win, causing the party to undergo a deep-rooted collapse that was masked by Obama's successes"

reading between the lines, it seems like their explanation for 2016 is that Hillary lost because she was too far-left, possibly due to "ideologues" and "interest groups" that pushed her toward a "left-wing orthodoxy" and didn't leave her "room to maneuver"

INITIALCUMOFFERING posted:

Scent of Worf posted:

https://twitter.com/cblechman/status/895613218097213440

The PoC defender has logged on

loquacius posted:

what world do they live in and can I move there

Main Paineframe posted:

they lay out a simple four-part platform that they think the Dems should follow:

1) "transcend [...] class and cultural divisions" - stop talking about race and class, abandon social issues altogether, "take seriously" rural concerns about immigration bringing in crime and diluting America's national character

2) "reclaim economic hope and progress" - spur economic growth and innovation by lowering taxes, deregulating everything, free trade, and pouring lots of public money into corporate welfare. come up with a way to "upskill" workers without sending them to college. and, to quote their site verbatim: "Rather than centering on economic victimhood and business-bashing, our narrative should inspire confidence in power of a free people to innovate, reinvent their economy and adopt progressive policies to equip everyone to get ahead in the knowledge age."

3) "restore trust in government" - deregulate everything, remove bureaucratic obstacles to business innovation, put as much power and policy in the hands of state and local governments as possible. infrastructure should be built by public-private partnerships, not federal dollars. "empower" poor people with technology, and embrace a "new, 21st Century model for public schools" (i.e., charter schools)

4) "Close the security gap" - Dems are too weak and soft on terror and national security. they should increase military funding, demonstrate the strength of our armed forces at every opportunity, and "give no quarter to Islamist terrorists"

Iron Twinkie posted:

Their plan is to beat the GOP to the punch on going full fascist.

loquacius posted:

At any point do they explain why they think this is a new strategy in some way, or why it'll work

Like, they throw out phrases like "Having sleepwalked into minority party status, Democrats can’t win simply by “energizing” a base that’s not big enough" which is correct, I'm just not getting how third-waying even harder than we have been for 25 years is the answer

Main Paineframe posted:

they lay out a simple four-part platform that they think the Dems should follow:

1) "transcend [...] class and cultural divisions" - stop talking about race and class, abandon social issues altogether, "take seriously" rural concerns about immigration bringing in crime and diluting America's national character

2) "reclaim economic hope and progress" - spur economic growth and innovation by lowering taxes, deregulating everything, free trade, and pouring lots of public money into corporate welfare. come up with a way to "upskill" workers without sending them to college. and, to quote their site verbatim: "Rather than centering on economic victimhood and business-bashing, our narrative should inspire confidence in power of a free people to innovate, reinvent their economy and adopt progressive policies to equip everyone to get ahead in the knowledge age."

3) "restore trust in government" - deregulate everything, remove bureaucratic obstacles to business innovation, put as much power and policy in the hands of state and local governments as possible. infrastructure should be built by public-private partnerships, not federal dollars. "empower" poor people with technology, and embrace a "new, 21st Century model for public schools" (i.e., charter schools)

4) "Close the security gap" - Dems are too weak and soft on terror and national security. they should increase military funding, demonstrate the strength of our armed forces at every opportunity, and "give no quarter to Islamist terrorists"

Main Paineframe posted:

they lay out a simple four-part platform that they think the Dems should follow:

1) "transcend [...] class and cultural divisions" - stop talking about race and class, abandon social issues altogether, "take seriously" rural concerns about immigration bringing in crime and diluting America's national character

2) "reclaim economic hope and progress" - spur economic growth and innovation by lowering taxes, deregulating everything, free trade, and pouring lots of public money into corporate welfare. come up with a way to "upskill" workers without sending them to college. and, to quote their site verbatim: "Rather than centering on economic victimhood and business-bashing, our narrative should inspire confidence in power of a free people to innovate, reinvent their economy and adopt progressive policies to equip everyone to get ahead in the knowledge age."

3) "restore trust in government" - deregulate everything, remove bureaucratic obstacles to business innovation, put as much power and policy in the hands of state and local governments as possible. infrastructure should be built by public-private partnerships, not federal dollars. "empower" poor people with technology, and embrace a "new, 21st Century model for public schools" (i.e., charter schools)

4) "Close the security gap" - Dems are too weak and soft on terror and national security. they should increase military funding, demonstrate the strength of our armed forces at every opportunity, and "give no quarter to Islamist terrorists"

Main Paineframe posted:

they lay out a simple four-part platform that they think the Dems should follow:

1) "transcend [...] class and cultural divisions" - stop talking about race and class, abandon social issues altogether, "take seriously" rural concerns about immigration bringing in crime and diluting America's national character

2) "reclaim economic hope and progress" - spur economic growth and innovation by lowering taxes, deregulating everything, free trade, and pouring lots of public money into corporate welfare. come up with a way to "upskill" workers without sending them to college. and, to quote their site verbatim: "Rather than centering on economic victimhood and business-bashing, our narrative should inspire confidence in power of a free people to innovate, reinvent their economy and adopt progressive policies to equip everyone to get ahead in the knowledge age."

3) "restore trust in government" - deregulate everything, remove bureaucratic obstacles to business innovation, put as much power and policy in the hands of state and local governments as possible. infrastructure should be built by public-private partnerships, not federal dollars. "empower" poor people with technology, and embrace a "new, 21st Century model for public schools" (i.e., charter schools)

4) "Close the security gap" - Dems are too weak and soft on terror and national security. they should increase military funding, demonstrate the strength of our armed forces at every opportunity, and "give no quarter to Islamist terrorists"

Main Paineframe posted:

the founder of the New Democrats is launching an new political movement

it's called New Democracy

no, I'm not making that up

it's a "radically pragmatic" movement based around "expanding the party" and "building a strong coalition"

the organization will be a combo thinktank/superPAC that will support "pragmatic" candidates in "Middle America" "places Democrats have been losing"

yes, I said "pragmatic" twice. that word is all over their loving site

seriously just look at this poo poo

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

There's no Third Way like the original.

anime was right posted:

their snake oil only works when it has a good salesman

bill and obama are charismatic as gently caress

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Main Paineframe posted:

they lay out a simple four-part platform that they think the Dems should follow:

1) "transcend [...] class and cultural divisions" - stop talking about race and class, abandon social issues altogether, "take seriously" rural concerns about immigration bringing in crime and diluting America's national character

2) "reclaim economic hope and progress" - spur economic growth and innovation by lowering taxes, deregulating everything, free trade, and pouring lots of public money into corporate welfare. come up with a way to "upskill" workers without sending them to college. and, to quote their site verbatim: "Rather than centering on economic victimhood and business-bashing, our narrative should inspire confidence in power of a free people to innovate, reinvent their economy and adopt progressive policies to equip everyone to get ahead in the knowledge age."

3) "restore trust in government" - deregulate everything, remove bureaucratic obstacles to business innovation, put as much power and policy in the hands of state and local governments as possible. infrastructure should be built by public-private partnerships, not federal dollars. "empower" poor people with technology, and embrace a "new, 21st Century model for public schools" (i.e., charter schools)

4) "Close the security gap" - Dems are too weak and soft on terror and national security. they should increase military funding, demonstrate the strength of our armed forces at every opportunity, and "give no quarter to Islamist terrorists"

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Clinton and Obama had lame centrist platforms and sold out the working class, but they weren't trying to explicitly emulate Italian fascism.

Zeta Taskforce posted:

I'm almost too horrified to ask, but is there a link to that? Do they think that folks like Hillary and John Kerry, or for that matter Mitt Romney lost because they were not pragmatic enough?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Scent of Worf posted:

https://twitter.com/JucheMane/status/895742163971002370

tfw berniebros are e-assaulting me with corncobs

anime was right posted:

their snake oil only works when it has a good salesman

bill and obama are charismatic as gently caress

anime was right posted:

im being rapped

Main Paineframe posted:

they lay out a simple four-part platform that they think the Dems should follow:

1) "transcend [...] class and cultural divisions" - stop talking about race and class, abandon social issues altogether, "take seriously" rural concerns about immigration bringing in crime and diluting America's national character

2) "reclaim economic hope and progress" - spur economic growth and innovation by lowering taxes, deregulating everything, free trade, and pouring lots of public money into corporate welfare. come up with a way to "upskill" workers without sending them to college. and, to quote their site verbatim: "Rather than centering on economic victimhood and business-bashing, our narrative should inspire confidence in power of a free people to innovate, reinvent their economy and adopt progressive policies to equip everyone to get ahead in the knowledge age."

3) "restore trust in government" - deregulate everything, remove bureaucratic obstacles to business innovation, put as much power and policy in the hands of state and local governments as possible. infrastructure should be built by public-private partnerships, not federal dollars. "empower" poor people with technology, and embrace a "new, 21st Century model for public schools" (i.e., charter schools)

4) "Close the security gap" - Dems are too weak and soft on terror and national security. they should increase military funding, demonstrate the strength of our armed forces at every opportunity, and "give no quarter to Islamist terrorists"