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DancingShade posted:The plebiscite is utter bullshit which will be manipulated and gamed to all gently caress by the bigoted wankers in charge but of course you should vote for equal rights. Michael Kirby!
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Starshark posted:Michael Kirby! No he just said on 7:30 that he will vote yes. His partner won't though, apparently. If I was gay, I might reject it myself to be honest. Because my love and my relationship is my business, and I reject the idea that I need government recognition of that. The only reason I would think to vote yes would be to help out others for whom it is important.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 11:33 |
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The twitter Memes will be dope tho
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 11:34 |
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Stoca Zola posted:I'm mad that they've phrased it so narrowly, a transwoman should be able to gay marry a woman or a transman marry a man or intersex and chromosomally diverse people should be able to marry whoever they want without their private medical history coming under scrutiny. Calling it same-sex marriage instead of marriage equality means that even a binding "yes" vote wouldn't fix things for some people. Marriage and trans or intersex people is a really loving confusing morass of contradictions and accidental invalidations, but same-sex marriage does solve most of those problems. There's still weird little fiddly bits and outliers, and of course sometimes the struggle in finding people willing to officiate or sign along for your specific peculiarities, but it gives the opportunity in most cases. I agree with the usage of the term 'marriage equality' over 'same-sex marriage', although I find in my speech that I gravitate to the latter. That might be my internal bias towards the one I see more often (the Greens call it marriage equality, and I'm with them a lot, but nobody else really does), but I also think it's a little better aesthetically. It puts what it's about right in front and is very specific, while 'marriage equality' could mean a couple things. SSM is also a pretty uncommon acronym, while I know of a few MEs.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 11:48 |
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They should scrap the postal vote and have an online poll instead. Gay marriage might not get legalised but at least Queery McQueerface will become our new head of state.
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The simplest solution is the best, marriage equality just means making the laws LESS specific. Polygamy in theory may be a valid option but in practice a stable, non-exploitative polyamorous relationship not involving creepy religious patriarchs is a goddamn unicorn anyway. It's been fun watching the religious fundies go down screaming.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 12:19 |
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Engaging with the ACL facebook page is kind of fun, I haven't done this sort of stuff for a while. People on there are pretty intense.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 12:21 |
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Get that loving Daisey tweet out of my thread
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Hobo Erotica posted:Engaging with the ACL facebook page is kind of fun, I haven't done this sort of stuff for a while. People on there are pretty intense. I just took a look and it's like the Soviets crossing the Volga on that FB right now.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 12:24 |
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Mia and boycott plebiscite need to be swapped imo.
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Daisy is just mad because Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:They should scrap the postal vote and have an online poll instead. Gay marriage might not get legalised but at least Queery McQueerface will become our new head of state. If you want to cast a vote either way you should have to run the gauntlet on one of those crazy Japanese game shows where you get water dunked, knocked over with fake boulders and otherwise tortured physically for half an hour. Then when you reach the end the laughing host(ess?) tells you the pen to fill out the form is back at the start and you have to go through the gauntlet again.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Mia and boycott plebiscite need to be swapped imo. yeah 2 and 3 are pretty redundant as it is DancingShade posted:If you want to cast a vote either way you should have to run the gauntlet on one of those crazy Japanese game shows where you get water dunked, knocked over with fake boulders and otherwise tortured physically for half an hour. Sold.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 12:40 |
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If I draw a dick on my form does it count as a yes?
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 13:08 |
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bigis posted:If I draw a dick on my form does it count as a yes? you have to draw it in the right box
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 13:09 |
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Cleretic posted:Marriage and trans or intersex people is a really loving confusing morass of contradictions and accidental invalidations, but same-sex marriage does solve most of those problems. There's still weird little fiddly bits and outliers, and of course sometimes the struggle in finding people willing to officiate or sign along for your specific peculiarities, but it gives the opportunity in most cases. By the way your post was amazing and I'm glad you wrote it
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Cleretic posted:Just finished up a bit of an effortpost on Facebook about the mistake of abstaining instead of voting 'yes'. If people want it, here you go: Nice stuff
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 13:29 |
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Speaking of trans issues and the like, it's amazing that my Dad was saying that feminists don't want transwomen (forgive me if I'm using the incorrect terms here) in their movement. He is of course talking about TERFs but I was amazed it was something talked about outside of internet circles. Spent the night arguing against that of course, and that Germaine Greer no longer represents modern feminism, but it's an uphill battle. At least the whole "what about a mother and father" horseshit is easily shot down by bringing up single parents. Dad's a smart guy, but he's getting on and listening to too much talkback radio, Bolt, and reading the only newspaper in town.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 13:32 |
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I had someone use the "mother and father" line on me before, and told them that I was raised by a single mother and turned out okay <insert jokes about being a broken goon here>. Her response? She was raised by a single mother too. Then again she's in her 80s and has some strong opinions on stuff. Like if you make an Arab mad, their eyes literally turn red. And Africans (not her term) use so much cologne it won't come off if you dunk them in the ocean. And Diana was assassinated and Trump will be too but she doesn't care enough to warn him. People with jobs that don't require them to regularly interact with the public are missing out, imo.
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Since the end of financial year Amazon has started charging me GST on my AWS bill. I also have several servers hosted with Linode and they don't seem to give any fucks. What gives? Does this have anything to do with the garbage I've read regarding Accenture () + ATO + AWS?
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 15:40 |
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What so many people forget is that marriage isn't just about affirming your love; it's also taxes, housing, government benefits, inheritance and countless other things. Imagine a gay couple where one is the biological parent of the children they are raising together. Say that person dies. As it stands, their partner does not get custody automatically even if they are the only surviving family the children have ever known. They have to fight for it. And, given the bigotry present in many of the old, staid judiciary, they may well have to fight really damned hard. And if the partner who died owned the house they lived in? More dramas there, too. Or your partner is lying in a hospital bed, unconscious. You get no say in their treatment or visiting rights. A thousand things straight couples take for granted as "how the world naturally works" just aren't there when you're LGBT. Marriage was created by the state to give firm, set answers to all the questions of how society says relationships - from beginning to end - will be treated by the state, businesses, people and so on. Without that certainty, you can get left with nothing.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 15:51 |
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:* Survey forms will include the question "Should the law be changed to allow same-sex couples to marry?" and voters will tick a "yes" or "no" box. Other marks on the form (such as a "1" in one box, or an "x" in one box) will be counted, so long as the preference of the voter is clear. One thing I'm finding very odd is that 'same-sex marriage' is legal in Australia. What we outlaw is same-gender marriage. Two males can marry each other as long as one of them is legally recognised as a woman, a male and a female can't marry each other if their legal genders are the same. The plebiscite question is very bad. Stoca Zola posted:I'm mad that they've phrased it so narrowly, a transwoman should be able to gay marry a woman or a transman marry a man or intersex and chromosomally diverse people should be able to marry whoever they want without their private medical history coming under scrutiny. Calling it same-sex marriage instead of marriage equality means that even a binding "yes" vote wouldn't fix things for some people. It would have to given the wording of the marriage act. We also legally recognise an X gender. So if the marriage act just gets rid of any reference to marriage being between a man and a woman exclusively it should essentially be marriage equality for everyone. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:... So if the marriage act just gets rid of any reference to marriage being between a man and a woman exclusively it should essentially be marriage equality for everyone. Yes that's what I want to see, make it broader, don't tack on a footnote. I'm nominally a cis-het non-marrier but I'm still going to vote for what ever gets us closer to equality even if they don't word it quite right.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-11/adani-avoids-multi-million-dollar-fine-over-sediment-water/8796178quote:The Indian mining giant Adani's Abbot Point coal terminal in Northern Queensland has avoided a multi-million-dollar fine, but has been slugged $12,000 over an environmental breach. quote:The company has until August 17 to contest the fine in court.
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Gorilla Salad posted:What so many people forget is that marriage isn't just about affirming your love; it's also taxes, housing, government benefits, inheritance and countless other things.
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Gorilla Salad posted:What so many people forget is that marriage isn't just about affirming your love; it's also taxes, housing, government benefits, inheritance and countless other things. Yeah thanks, sorry, I'd almost forgotten this was actually the main point. They can still live with the person they love and have a big fuxk off stupidly expensive party where they stand up in front of all their friends and declare their commitment for each other. What's missing is the stuff above.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 23:48 |
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bob katter makes the intriguing claim that "arguably the only time the middle east knew peace was under the Crusaders".
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Gorilla Salad posted:What so many people forget is that marriage isn't just about affirming your love; it's also taxes, housing, government benefits, inheritance and countless other things. this is the only point of government stamped marriage, but too many people conflate it with "love is love" messages so here we are
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BBJoey posted:bob katter makes the intriguing claim that "arguably the only time the middle east knew peace was under the Crusaders".
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Jintor posted:you have to draw it in the right box But what if I don't want to put my dick in a box?
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Gorilla Salad posted:What so many people forget is that marriage isn't just about affirming your love; it's also taxes, housing, government benefits, inheritance and countless other things. I don't doubt that this happens, but I thought same sex couples had all the same legal rights as defacto couples? open24hours fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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BBJoey posted:bob katter makes the intriguing claim that "arguably the only time the middle east knew peace was under the Crusaders". Bob Katter is right and should play Paradox games.
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open24hours posted:I don't doubt that this happens, but I thought same sex couples had all the same legal rights as defacto couples? Nope!
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BBJoey posted:bob katter makes the intriguing claim that "arguably the only time the middle east knew peace was under the Crusaders". the peace of the grave
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/samesex-discrimination-removed/2008/11/24/1227491465110.html What did they leave out when they passed this?
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Anidav posted:Bob Katter is right and should play Paradox games. Let's add Bob Katter on Steam
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