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Better not tell that one guy he's also a Commie because he participates in society which is hugely funded by taxes, he might have an aneurysm.
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Is there a back story on this and should i know who this guy is?
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Aug 11, 2017 02:08
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Puppy Time posted:Perhaps the same could be said of all religions. But enough talk. Have at you!
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I've definitely seen worse apologies but it sounds like he's saying his problem was not stopping when he became a public figure as opposed to just stopping because it's loving weird and gross. veni veni veni posted:Is there a back story on this and should i know who this guy is? He's probably the most well-known guy at Polygon (Vox's video game website) and he recently got busted for sending creepy DMs to seemingly every woman in the industry.
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Aug 11, 2017 02:14
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Aug 11, 2017 02:17
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It's the GARDEN of eden not the river of eden.
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Aug 11, 2017 02:32
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It's actually not okay to send creepy DMs to colleagues even if you have an obscure, poorly paid job, Mr. Robinson.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I've definitely seen worse apologies but it sounds like he's saying his problem was not stopping when he became a public figure as opposed to just stopping because it's loving weird and gross. Given view counts and followers, I'd say both Griffin and Justin McElroy are better known, and Nick got a lot more popular by making content with Griffin. There are also allegations of him propositioning teenage fans, so it wasn't limited to the industry.
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Aug 11, 2017 02:47
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Ularg posted:Is it normal to be kinda annoyed by further bastardization of the Coexist image? Did you see the one made of guns, ammo, and magazines today as well?
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:Given view counts and followers, I'd say both Griffin and Justin McElroy are better known, and Nick got a lot more popular by making content with Griffin. There are also allegations of him propositioning teenage fans, so it wasn't limited to the industry. Yeah but you could be totally immersed in the McElroys' careers and never go to Polygon because they do so much other stuff. I don't think Robinson is known for anything else.
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Aug 11, 2017 03:03
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Stoatbringer posted:Just the fact that you can buy guns in a loving supermarket is fairly mind-blowing. goonsay i know but walmarts arent supermarkets in the us. They sell literally everything. The guns are in the sporting goods section behind a locked glass case.
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Aug 11, 2017 03:11
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thatbastardken posted:the people that stalin, pol pot, or mao had murdered weren't murdered because of atheism though. they were political rivals or scapegoats for other problems. 
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Aug 11, 2017 03:18
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Henchman of Santa posted:I've definitely seen worse apologies but it sounds like he's saying his problem was not stopping when he became a public figure as opposed to just stopping because it's loving weird and gross. Aside from Griffin McElroy, at least.
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Aug 11, 2017 03:42
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My favorite part of Atheism is how its adherents believe themselves to be a purified version of humanity due to revelatory knowledge, and if only they could spread this revelation to the rest of the world, etc
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Aug 11, 2017 03:48
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thatbastardken posted:the people that stalin, pol pot, or mao had murdered weren't murdered because of atheism though. they were political rivals or scapegoats for other problems. no true atheist
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Aug 11, 2017 03:52
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Byzantine posted:My favorite part of Atheism is how its adherents believe themselves to be a purified version of humanity due to revelatory knowledge, and if only they could spread this revelation to the rest of the world, etc Is prioritizing logic, reason, critical thinking, etc really a "revelation"?
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Aug 11, 2017 03:56
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jivjov posted:I've never heard of an atheist shooting someone because of their atheism. Whereas we can't go 2 weeks without hearing of someone shooting someone or blowing something up b cause of one religion or another. The examples usually are things like Stalinism, the Khmer Rouge, or the French Revolution. Those were systems of government that were pushed as fanatically as any religion. While they weren't specifically working in the name of "atheism," it was essential that they suppress any competing belief systems. Basically, it's what happens when people think science can solve any problem, ignoring ethical concerns that are by definition outside the scientific method, and you get things like eugenics. jivjov posted:Is prioritizing logic, reason, critical thinking, etc really a "revelation"? Yes, if you think that you can solve all moral, ethical, etc. problems through "critical thinking." That's what Ayn Rand did, and her followers believe in the power of the free market as surely as any fundamentalist expecting Jesus to return any day now.
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Aug 11, 2017 04:06
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AlbieQuirky posted:It's actually not okay to send creepy DMs to colleagues even if you have an obscure, poorly paid job, Mr. Robinson. That's absolutely true, but it's also different when it's a peer as opposed to someone who can control whether you get published/what review your game gets/etc. I think (obviously I can't speak for him) that he's saying "it's not okay that I made people uncomfortable, but I crossed an additional line when I didn't acknowledge the power structure I was part of".
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So...relying on fictional deities is better? I mean, yeah, pure dispassionate logic isn't always the best course of action...but what relevance do fictional gods have on solving ethical dilemmas? And whose fictional gods do we turn to for guidance?
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Aug 11, 2017 04:11
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Jurgan posted:The examples usually are things like Stalinism, the Khmer Rouge, or the French Revolution. Those were systems of government that were pushed as fanatically as any religion. While they weren't specifically working in the name of "atheism," The French Republic was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason
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jivjov posted:So...relying on fictional deities is better? I mean, yeah, pure dispassionate logic isn't always the best course of action...but what relevance do fictional gods have on solving ethical dilemmas? And who's fictional gods do we turn to for guidance? You do realize that people who believe in higher powers would be annoyed if not offended by you blandly calling them fictional, right? The mentality that religion is false and needs to be proven such is just as annoying as anyone of any religious inclination who tries to convert everyone. It's all down to belief systems - and you believing there are no higher powers is a belief system itself. People of any belief system who are outspoken about it and insist on the primacy of their system get really annoying.
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Aug 11, 2017 04:35
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conservatives & liberals agree: another 1000 years of church
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Aug 11, 2017 04:46
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Jurgan posted:Yes, if you think that you can solve all moral, ethical, etc. problems through "critical thinking." That's what Ayn Rand did, and her followers believe in the power of the free market as surely as any fundamentalist expecting Jesus to return any day now. Critical thinking actually central to building a code of ethics, divine figure or not. The problem with certain atheist is that they think that figuring out the great lie of religion is the ultimate feat of logic, making them masters of reason who never have to exam their own biases and assumptions again.
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The argument of "You need religion not to murder someone or steal their stuff" is the example one of my school teachers used to justify religion, and he was a pastor. It's possible that someone can have a horrible moral compass without being a godless heathen, and you don't need or not-need religion to figure this stuff out.
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jivjov posted:So...relying on fictional deities is better? I mean, yeah, pure dispassionate logic isn't always the best course of action...but what relevance do fictional gods have on solving ethical dilemmas? And who's fictional gods do we turn to for guidance? Saying "fictional" three times in a row isn't very convincing, and suggests you don't care to hear others' ideas. However, if you really want to know, here's my answer: Everyone comes to a moral problem with a set of internal values and principles. These may come from a religious or non-religious perspective, but they're usually set at a young age. They are determined by your experiences, but they are not arrived at through the application of pure logic. Based on that existing framework, people come to face complicated problems without clear solutions. Their ethical framework is a starting point to finding a solution, combined with empirical observations about what effect various actions tend to have. For example, on a moral level I don't care whether health care is provided by a market-based conservative approach or a government-based socialist approach; I'll choose whatever method is most effective in getting people healthy. However, I am operating from the principle that it is morally wrong to allow people in a rich country to die because they can't afford health care. Someone like Rand Paul believes the government has no moral responsibility to provide health care, so no amount of logic will convince him. In a society, you have people with many different moral frameworks. Some will say "what would Jesus do," some will say "what does Allah will," and some might say "what would my mother think?" So if you're trying to build a society, you try to find some principles that most people agree on regardless of their source, and then structure the law around them. That's what the First Amendment is about. As I read it, a law not "respecting an establishment of religion" means that any law has to be defensible on purely secular grounds. Laws that restrict gay rights are unconstitutional regardless of whether they explicitly mention religion, because there's no way to defend them without appealing to religion. Laws restricting murder, on the other hand, are acceptable because almost every moral framework acknowledges that life has value and it's wrong to take it from someone. The short answer, then, is that everyone has some non-logical reason for their moral beliefs, and yours are no more valid than mine just because you don't base them on an idea of a deity. And vice-versa, as well: I would never claim that someone is morally superior because they do believe in a deity.
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snergle posted:goonsay i know but walmarts arent supermarkets in the us. They sell literally everything. The guns are in the sporting goods section behind a locked glass case. This is true, but outside the US places like Tesco and ASDA (which Walmart own) have grown from being just grocery stores into similar things as Walmart/Target and will still always be referred to as a supermarket.
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Sorry if I started a ~thing~ here, I didn't intend to.
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jivjov posted:So...relying on fictional deities is better? I mean, yeah, pure dispassionate logic isn't always the best course of action...but what relevance do fictional gods have on solving ethical dilemmas? And who's fictional gods do we turn to for guidance? Whose.
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Aug 11, 2017 05:42
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This seems like a decent enough apology for what he did, and considering that he also lost his job over it, I'm sure that the entire internet will be satisfied and let him move on with his life.
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Pull up thread pull up E: also shucks, I love car boys. Sucks that Nick is a creeper. NewFatMike has a new favorite as of 06:08 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Fister Roboto posted:This seems like a decent enough apology for what he did, and considering that he also lost his job over it, I'm sure that the entire internet will be satisfied and let him move on with his life. The backlash seems to be around how long it took to make the apology, some of the wording (like humblebragging about having fanart [hbomberguy talking, not me]), and it felt insincere at time. Like how some read it as him apolgizing that he used his power and that was wrong and not just him creeping on people to start with. But I'm just being descriptivist here. It's too complicated for me to weigh in on.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:No, Wal-Mart is advocating buying guns for your children so they can take them to school and be the hero we deserve in another few weeks. Yikes!!! Seems like a bad idea to this goon!!
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Plom Bar posted:Whose. Whom.
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MariusLecter posted:Whom. Whom's
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Ularg posted:The backlash seems to be around how long it took to make the apology, some of the wording (like humblebragging about having fanart [hbomberguy talking, not me]), and it felt insincere at time. Like how some read it as him apolgizing that he used his power and that was wrong and not just him creeping on people to start with. This is what I'm getting from it too. It's reading less like "Sorry I was being a creep" and more "Sorry that I wasn't more discreet about being a creep". A better apology than the slew of "THEY'RE OUT TO GET ME", though, but it still doesn't address the main issue, which is him having been a creep. Won't say much more besides that, since it's a big issue, but someone mentioned how it's also him trying to get his brand back up, rather than to legit apologize, but I don't know myself.
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Aug 11, 2017 09:26
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Nick robinson peaked when he bought the world's largest cheeto
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