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In the new continuity Kylo Ren finds out that Vader is his grandfather from the Star Wars equivalent of Fox News.
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Casimir Radon posted:In the new continuity Kylo Ren finds out that Vader is his grandfather from the Star Wars equivalent of Fox News. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Aug 11, 2017 00:08
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This makes sense, since A New Hope is a sequel to the OJ Simpson police chase.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:10
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Grendels Dad posted:DO NOT WANT.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:11
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4894, you people are killing me!
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Aug 11, 2017 00:30
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Phylodox posted:Yes, truly the Galactic Empire is a force for equality and freedom. Well, in the prequels there's Human slavery, which the Empire seems to have completely wiped out in a single generation (replacing it with Droid slavery admittedly, but it's still a step in the right direction).
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Aug 11, 2017 00:33
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Casimir Radon posted:In the new continuity Kylo Ren finds out that Vader is his grandfather from the Star Wars equivalent of Fox News. Pretty sure Kylo Ren already knows who his grandfather is.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:34
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Skwirl posted:Pretty sure Kylo Ren already knows who his grandfather is.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:38
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Skwirl posted:Well, in the prequels there's Human slavery, which the Empire seems to have completely wiped out in a single generation (replacing it with Droid slavery admittedly, but it's still a step in the right direction). Not really. Oola didn't really seem like Jabba's willful employee.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:48
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Phylodox posted:Not really. Oola didn't really seem like Jabba's willful employee. Please, that's clearly outside of Imperial jurisdi
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Aug 11, 2017 00:53
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Grendels Dad posted:Please, that's clearly outside of Imperial jurisdi So was the human slavery in the prequels, though. Basically, gently caress Tatooine.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:55
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Phylodox posted:So was the human slavery in the prequels, though. I know, that is the joke I was trying to make.
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Aug 11, 2017 00:56
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Star Wars is Space-WWII. The Rebellion is the Space-French resistance/Space-Allies. The Empire is Space-Nazis.
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Aug 11, 2017 01:07
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Who are the Space-Japanese?
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Aug 11, 2017 01:41
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Who are the Space-Japanese? Watto
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Aug 11, 2017 01:43
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I thought he was space-Shylock?
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Aug 11, 2017 01:48
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I thought he was space-Shylock? We don't know what specific space-ethnicity Watto is a caricature of, but he is definitely very offense to whichever one that is, and we are all very disappointed in Mr. Lucas for inventing him.
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Aug 11, 2017 01:53
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Who are the Space-Japanese? The trade federation?
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Aug 11, 2017 01:56
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Skwirl posted:Well, in the prequels there's Human slavery, which the Empire seems to have completely wiped out in a single generation (replacing it with Droid slavery admittedly, but it's still a step in the right direction). If only there was some kind of enduring iconic image of human slavery in the original Star Wars films but... 
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Aug 11, 2017 02:00
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Who are the Space-Japanese? Also the Empire which is why they have an Emperor and his right hand man is literally a samurai.
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Aug 11, 2017 02:10
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FreudianSlippers posted:Also the Empire which is why they have an Emperor and his right hand man is literally a samurai. If only there were a period of time in Japanese history where the emperor seized power and ended feudal rule, where the country rapidly industrialized and the samurai class swiftly lost power and where there was a widespread revolt among the samurai against the emperor. If that had happened in Japanese history, I think that Empire = Japan metaphor could really work
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Aug 11, 2017 04:13
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The problem is the empire doesn't do those things unless you make up a ton of poo poo.
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Aug 11, 2017 04:16
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ImpAtom posted:If only there was some kind of enduring iconic image of human slavery in the original Star Wars films but... Jabba the Hutt is a criminal overlord, slavery is illegal in America, but there's still sex trafficking. The slavery depicted in the prequels seemed to have the full force of law behind it, otherwise they could have just left with Anakin's mom.
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Aug 11, 2017 04:27
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Simplex posted:If only there were a period of time in Japanese history where the emperor seized power and ended feudal rule, where the country rapidly industrialized and the samurai class swiftly lost power and where there was a widespread revolt among the samurai against the emperor. If that had happened in Japanese history, I think that Empire = Japan metaphor could really work The emperor didn't seize power, he was restored by some members of the feudal class who declared for him, while others declared for the other autocratic ruler. The end result was a violent, imperialistic nation that helped kick off the most destructive war in history. If you want to argue that the empire is Japan, you're also undermining your claim that they're the 'good guys'
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Aug 11, 2017 04:43
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Plus literally none of that poo poo happens in the movies. The empire is completely evil across all three films. Like one of the first story bits you get from the Empire's POV is that it's awesome that the senate has been dissolved. Not like the emperor got emergency powers or some poo poo, just, dissolved. Our main representations of the empire in A New Hope are Darth Vader, a ruthless rear end in a top hat, and Tarkin, and even more ruthless rear end in a top hat. The empire incinerated some farmers because some droids were in their house. Blew up an entire planet for no reason other than to swing their military dick around, etc. There's a huge leap people are taking from "Lucas like most people realized Kurosawa is an incredible director and his samurai movies are awesome and emulated some elements from them" to "the Star Wars movies have 1:1 parallels to Japanese history and therefore the empire is actually good" that is pretty silly. If you want that just watch Kagemusha since Lucas produced it for Kurosawa and funded a significant chunk of it in the process. That reminds me of some interesting trivia about Seven Samurai, originally Kurosawa wanted to do a movie focused on one single samurai. It was going to take place over one day and be about him making some minor fuckup early on that, despite his efforts spirals out throughout the day, and he has to go about his regular daily routine of stuff like things are fine regardless and ends up committing seppuku that evening at the film's end because of the stuff he caused. They went with the story that became the Seven Samurai movie we know now because with Japan still rebuilding and not as much complete research being available, it was actually legit difficult for them to work out what a samurai's by the numbers day would be like beyond sits around until some peasants get out of line and his lord orders him to bust their heads.
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Aug 11, 2017 05:03
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Skwirl posted:Jabba the Hutt is a criminal overlord, slavery is illegal in America, but there's still sex trafficking. The slavery depicted in the prequels seemed to have the full force of law behind it, otherwise they could have just left with Anakin's mom. So, uh, did you somehow manage to completely miss the plot if the film you're trying to argue about? Because it's literally a plot point in the film that Tatooine is so far in the backlands that not even Republic money has any meaningful value there and it is why they can't just buy the parts they need. Its also why Jabba is based there in both Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi. Also they couldn't have just left with Anakin's mom because she has a bomb implanted in her head. Which is also a plot point in the film. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 05:27
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Neo Rasa posted:Plus literally none of that poo poo happens in the movies. The empire is completely evil across all three films. Like one of the first story bits you get from the Empire's POV is that it's awesome that the senate has been dissolved. Not like the emperor got emergency powers or some poo poo, just, dissolved. Our main representations of the empire in A New Hope are Darth Vader, a ruthless rear end in a top hat, and Tarkin, and even more ruthless rear end in a top hat. The empire incinerated some farmers because some droids were in their house. Blew up an entire planet for no reason other than to swing their military dick around, etc. I'd like to see that movie done now. Kind of like Ghost Dog, or that Jaime Fox movie Collateral
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Aug 11, 2017 06:32
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The reason why people find it plausible that the Empire isn't that bad even when they blow up a planet is because they're not convincingly evil villains. Anyone can point out to the Empire doing bad things or its fascist aesthetic, but no one can actually say why the Empire is evil beyond that it's violently authoritarian. That's more of a symptom of evil rather than the evil itself, and the authoritarianism is unconvincing, because there's never any indication how the Empire works as a society. Sam Kriss says it the best:Smash the Force posted:For instance: what, exactly, is the Galactic Empire? It’s strange: something that’s fully omnipresent, but also nowhere to be found. The Empire rules the entire galaxy, but all we see are border zones: corrupt, bandit-strewn scrubworlds; autonomous mining colonies; planets inhabited only by storms and monsters; bucolic pre-agricultural fantasies. There are warships and soldiers, thousands even, but that only proves the existence of a border, not anything on the other side. The Empire is all hollow inside, it’s nothing more than its own border. If you have shipyards, why build your weapons platform off the forest moon of Endor? Hidden Fortress technically has a villain in the head of the hostile feudal clan, but he never appears, and the antagonists who do appear are not seriously evil. There's a kind of Darth Vader equivalent with the enemy general, but who doesn't actually do anything morally questionable or even seriously antagonistic. The real point of the enemy forces is to serve as a crucible for the characters' moral and resolve. The real conflict is within the heroes. What George Lucas did with the first movie was to turn the hostile clan into the Empire, but the internal moral struggle is reduced to few token character beats. As a result, the original trilogy mostly misses the point. The Prequels clearly attempt to fix this: the war between the Jedi and the Trade Federation is a distraction by the villain, and its purpose in the narrative is to test and develop the characters. The problem this time around is that aspect of the story is underdeveloped and uneven, but it's the closest that the series has come to its inspiration. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 06:49
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So Sam Kriss doesn't know much about nations huh
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Aug 11, 2017 06:52
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CharlestheHammer posted:So Sam Kriss doesn't know much about nations huh The Galactic Empire in the original trilogy isn't a nation. It's a border without a nation, like he says.
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Aug 11, 2017 06:58
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Borders are a huge part of a nation and tend to define them. So like I said he doesn't know much about nations huh.
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Aug 11, 2017 07:00
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CharlestheHammer posted:Borders are a huge part of a nation and tend to define them. Borders are of the things that define a state, not a nation. Nations and nationhood are things that are conspicuously absent from most of the Star Wars movies (Nabooans, maybe?). e: And duh, the Senate is basically the United Nations. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 07:08
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Well there absent because who cares, having them would only serve as world building. Nice for lore spergs but most people wouldn't get much out of it. More than likely slowing the movie down.
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Aug 11, 2017 07:17
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well there absent because who cares Considering who brought it up in the first place, I'd say the answer is "you". And I don't think anybody is saying that Star Wars should include nationhood as a theme.
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Aug 11, 2017 07:39
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I did not bring this up
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Aug 11, 2017 07:45
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Neo Rasa posted:... Kurosawa wanted to do a movie focused on one single samurai. It was going to take place over one day and be about him making some minor fuckup early on that, despite his efforts spirals out throughout the day, and he has to go about his regular daily routine of stuff like things are fine regardless and ends up committing seppuku that evening at the film's end because of the stuff he caused.
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Aug 11, 2017 08:19
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Uhhh, folks, any bad movies coming out soon?
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Aug 11, 2017 08:20
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Borders are of the things that define a state, not a nation. Nations and nationhood are things that are conspicuously absent from most of the Star Wars movies (Nabooans, maybe?). e: And duh, the Senate is basically the United Nations. Well, duh, the Empire's an... empire, not a nation-state. It's in the name.
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Aug 11, 2017 08:40
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Remulak posted:This sounds like the best episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm ever. Curb Your Enthusiasm with samurai. Then they can remake it into a Western which ends with the cowboy eating his revolver.
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fatherboxx posted:Uhhh, folks, any bad movies coming out soon? Another Star Wars movie is slated for the Holiday Season, yes. Also the guy doing his hot take how Cersei is the good guy in GoT did the hot take thing far better in the spoiler thread.
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