Gnoman posted:

Surprisingly enough, that particular clause is critical in Turtledove's alternate history book.

zoux posted:

I know that the lifespan of an African slave in the Brazilian cane fields was measured in a handful of years, since the Portuguese flouted the international ban on the slave trade and could replenish their supply. The more "humane" treatment of African slaves in the US was to maintain a breeding population, since the US recognized the international ban on importing slaves in 1807 but didn't outlaw slavery until later.

Ensign Expendable posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

What were the LMGs, MMGs, and HMGs of the Red Army in WW2? I just recall one of them is the one with the funny circular magazine clip thingy but I can't even recall the name.

gradenko_2000 posted:

What were the LMGs, MMGs, and HMGs of the Red Army in WW2? I just recall one of them is the one with the funny circular magazine clip thingy but I can't even recall the name.

zoux posted:

Forget about Dunkirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJ5dMYx2no

Fangz posted:

IIRC they kept with the Maxim for HMG, replacing it with the DShK over the course of the war.

EDIT: Oh I guess there was also the SG43.

zoux posted:

It makes me nervous when NukeMap is down due to too much traffic

my dad posted:

Sky King, Sky King, do not answer
I need not another lie
Sky King, Sky King, do not answer
You're only there to watch us die



Seriously, though, nah, don't panic.

zoux posted:

Forget about Dunkirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJ5dMYx2no

Alchenar posted:

Reading a book on the German Army in 1917 (frontline experiences of the various Allied offensives) and there's quite a few references to 'automatic rifles' in the British and French armies. Any idea what they're referring to?

chitoryu12 posted:

The M1910 and SG-43 both came on wheeled carriages so you could move them around easier, but I've exclusively seen DShKs on pintle mounts or tripods.

Alchenar posted:

Reading a book on the German Army in 1917 (frontline experiences of the various Allied offensives) and there's quite a few references to 'automatic rifles' in the British and French armies. Any idea what they're referring to?

howe_sam posted:

I deeply appreciate that they just said gently caress it about doing accents.

Grand Prize Winner posted:

alternative: accents for first two minutes of conversation, cast collectively drops character and says "these accents are fuckin' stupid, I'm from New York or Liverpool or whatever" and then the movie carries on sans accent. they're going for a wacky black comedy power struggle kinda feel, might as well do it gonzo.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Do books written by David Irving have any value or is it just Nazi apologetics all the way down?

bewbies posted:

(thick Scottish accent) nu parle ruski?

Cyrano4747 posted:

He did one really early thing on Dresden that was well received at the time, but in hindsight it turns out his figures were horseshit.

Disinterested posted:

You can pick some good seeds out of David Irving but it's not worth the trouble given the availability of sources that don't require you to take the trouble. The most instructive work in relation to David Irving are the books written by Lipstadt and Richard Evans about the trial - Denial: Holocaust History on Trial, Denying the Holocaust, and Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust and the David Irving Trial.


Yeah this is actually the best.

Alchenar posted:

Reading a book on the German Army in 1917 (frontline experiences of the various Allied offensives) and there's quite a few references to 'automatic rifles' in the British and French armies. Any idea what they're referring to?

Grand Prize Winner posted:

alternative: accents for first two minutes of conversation, cast collectively drops character and says "these accents are fuckin' stupid, I'm from New York or Liverpool or whatever" and then the movie carries on sans accent. they're going for a wacky black comedy power struggle kinda feel, might as well do it gonzo.

quote:

In a postscript typed a day later Miller wrote to Irving with further
details:
P.S. I have again to come back to the high figures of victims which I
deny as far as they overgo 50,000. It is a fact that all corpses found
have either been buried or burnt on the Altmarkt. Now we come to
mathematical problems: Do you believe it possible to burn in about
three weeks 110,000 corpses on a fire-grate of railway rails with a
dimension of about 70 x 10 meters? In fact we started collecting
corpses not before February 17 when the town stopped to burn and
enough transport media had been brought together from other cities.
The burning of corpses started about February 21 (one week
after the air raid) and & on the hermetically closed Altmarkt
because we feared the reaction of the population. The burning was
finished to the best of my knowledge about March 15. When you
can find out how long corpses are burning you will believe that a
maximum amount of 10,000-rather 7,000-has been burnt. For
the transportation of the deads [sic] we had only horse-drawn carts
and some rickety trucks which run with producer gas due to the lack
of diesel oil or gasoline. This poor transport capacity could not transport
the gigantic figures of deads [sic] overgoing 100,000 which are
mostly reported. You must check again this problem as one of logistics.
But can anybody really imagine what also 40,000 corpses mean?
If you put them down in a line foot by head it is a street of 42 British
miles! The inner district of Dresden has only a dimension of 2 times
4 miles! So the streets of Dresden looked to the frightened population
like overfloated with corpses, and as a normal human reaction
the survivors reported gigantic figures out of their phantasy.

...

Yet Miller, his testimony, and his criticisms remained
unmentioned in Irving’s published work

quote:

As if Irving’s new evidence were not already threadbare enough, the
single most important document to date in helping historians decipher
the true Dresden death toll was discovered just as he set about publishing
his own ‘sensational’ source. Following a lecture in Bad Schandau in
East Germany in 1965, a Frau Jurk showed Walter Weidauer a document
belonging to her father-in-law. It was the Final Report issued by the
Dresden police on 15 March 194EL7* Max Jurk had formerly been with
the Dresden police. He had been a colleague of Wolfgang Thierig, the
police colonel responsible for the report. The Final Report bore Jurk’s
dictation initials and was signed by Thierig.~’ This was the very document
from which TB 47 claimed to be an extract.80 It contained exact details
of all the material damage the city had sustained. The key passage read:
“Until early 10.3.1945 established: 18,375 fallen, 2,212 badly wounded,
13,718 slightly wounded, 350,000 homeless and long-term re-quartered.”81
Unlike the copy of TB 47 obtained by Irving, the Final Report
bore both an identifiable signature and was stampedsecret. It ended with
the commentary: “The above report was submitted after agreement on
the documents with the district committee of the NSDAP.” Weidauer
was the first to publish the document in 1966 in a second edition of his
book Znferno Dresden.

The Dresden City archivist Dr. Walter Lange kindly informed Irving
of the existence of this crucial document on 5 April 1966. Irving replied:
“As you know I continue to believe in the authenticity of Tagesbefehl47
signed by Oberst Grosse” based on its stylistic similarity with other documents
signed by Grosse.82 Lange then sent Irving a copy of the new document
on 27 May 1966, informing him that he would be interested in
hearing his opinion on it.83 This was the final piece of evidence any selfrespecting
historian would have required to halt the printing of TB 47 as
authentic.

zoux posted:

Forget about Dunkirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukJ5dMYx2no

bewbies posted:

Without the war, they, and slavery, weren't going anywhere...even as cotton prices bottomed out, new opportunities for free labor to make the planter class gobs of money (read: oil) were about to emerge.

Disinterested posted:

pdfs suck

Disinterested posted:

You can pick some good seeds out of David Irving but it's not worth the trouble given the availability of sources that don't require you to take the trouble. The most instructive work in relation to David Irving are the books written by Lipstadt and Richard Evans about the trial - Denial: Holocaust History on Trial, Denying the Holocaust, and Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust and the David Irving Trial.