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They're a marginal element, always will be, and they don't represent any kind of fundamental shift, as you're trying to imply.
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A "wing" is not a fundamental shift, lmao.
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I don't think this is actually the correct interpretation, because it's too historically specific, in it's linking it to communists. The primary function of anti-semitism, is to contextualize all social problems as stemming from an eternal other, which both:
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In a rare moment of good sense, CNN has kicked neo-Confederate Jeffrey Lord to the curb. While I'd bet he'll end up a commentator on FOX, I could see him ending up working for Breitbart or shilling directly to the chuds. And lol that we're talking about the Nazi belief that Jews use black people to oppress whites without anyone referencing this respected 1980 documentary.
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Aug 11, 2017 14:01
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Montasque posted:
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Aug 11, 2017 14:40
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Tokamak posted:I had a look at their site and the ads are investment guides, online budget clothing, world of warships (in German), and antivirus software. I wonder if the business is even sustainable on those type of ads, and aren't relying on large donors. They don't seem like the type of ads that could support a streaming video platform and pay content producers a comfortable income. Besides, if you paid streamers like freelance bloggers, you couldn't produce enough videos to earn a living wage. a ton of right wing activity is funded by the kochs and other conservative millionaires once you scratch a bit past the surface think tanks, policy groups, whole pacs funded by one or a handful of people, and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the more toxic media is funded through grants from some shell as well
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Aug 11, 2017 14:47
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mercers paid for milo and his tour bus. he didn't charge speaking fees.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:05
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speaking of the alt-right vs. their oligarch masters http://mattbruenig.com/2017/08/10/the-trump-nlrb-will-smash-the-google-guy/
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Aug 11, 2017 15:25
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Long story short, the only organized group of non-Black people before WW2 who were interested in really fighting racism, ending segregation, bringing about political social and economic justice for Black people in America were Communists Were the abolitionists communists?
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Aug 11, 2017 15:29
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spacetoaster posted:Were the abolitionists communists? A lot of abolitionists were racists, my dude.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:31
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:A lot of abolitionists were racists, my dude. So were/are the communists. 
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Aug 11, 2017 15:32
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rudatron posted:I don't think this is actually the correct interpretation, because it's too historically specific, in it's linking it to communists. The primary function of anti-semitism, is to contextualize all social problems as stemming from an eternal other, which both: yes but that anti-semitism manifests in a historically contingent way. it doesn't simply spring from the foreheads of people; it must be propagandized and linked to developments and circumstances in history. i believe that prior to the first red scare (conflating bolshevism and judaism for americans) this conspiracy theory (Black people are catspaws for Jewish people) was not really a thing in the usa
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Aug 11, 2017 15:34
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spacetoaster posted:Were the abolitionists communists? the abolitionists wanted to end slavery but were not organized around the other principles - ending segregation, self-determination to Black americans, full political social and economic equality among the races, etc. were all planks of the communist movement (and not other political movements) between the civil war and ww2.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:38
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spacetoaster posted:So were/are the communists. Be that as it may, the communists had an explicitly anti-racist platform that sought to confer equal privilege to all people and overthrow white supremacy. Abolitionists wanted to abolish slavery, but very few of them were interested in black equality, desegregation, etc. Frederick Douglass even called them out on it. http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july/
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Be that as it may, the communists had an explicitly anti-racist platform that sought to confer equal privilege to all people and overthrow white supremacy. Abolitionists wanted to abolish slavery, but very few of them were interested in black equality, desegregation, etc. Frederick Douglass even called them out on it. http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july/ I don't know much about it. I was under impression that the abolitionsts, and the religious institutions (quakers) that promoted an end to slavery, were actually on board with equal rights. Although I'm sure that's a far cry from what we see as being not racist today.
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know much about it. The religiously motivated were more likely to want equal rights, John Brown being the best example.
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:the gang becomes alt-right please tell me how my views or what business gorilla said are alt right you lovely gimmick posting idiot
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The individualist American anarchists in the pre-civil war days were probably some of the most consistently not-lovely abolitionists at that time I think.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:The individualist American anarchists in the pre-civil war days were probably some of the most consistently not-lovely abolitionists at that time I think. They were also proto-libertarians, let's not get too crazy now.
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know much about it. an excellent example of why this is less true than we'd prefer it be is liberal cause celebre Alexander Hamilton Alexander Hamilton proudly funded an awful lot of abolitionists in precisely the same sense Adolf Hitler proudly funded the people promising they'd one day make a Kingdom of Israel in Palestine: he definitely did, there's receipts to prove it, and nobody on the face of the planet buys that it was out of any affection for the people in question. for a very long time donating to abolitionist societies was the genteel way to shout gently caress THE SOUTH, and as good ol Alex "all executive, legislative, and judicial power should be concentrated in one man, whose name if possible should be Alexander Hamilton" can demonstrate there were a lot more reasons than thinking slavery was inhumane to do so.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They were also proto-libertarians, let's not get too crazy now.
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Ze Pollack posted:an excellent example of why this is less true than we'd prefer it be is liberal cause celebre Alexander Hamilton Were the communists really better then?
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Darkman Fanpage posted:please tell me how my views or what business gorilla said are alt right you lovely gimmick posting idiot You aren't alt right but you're clearly a willfully ignorant moron who seems to be intentionally ignoring the fact that "id pol" is literally the new phrase for civil rights. You can't tell me you've never seen or heard this before because you shitpost like a stoned uncaring teenager in tons of threads in this subforum. Then you go and make another stupid shitpost about how people care too much about identity politics when, guess what, it's literally civil rights and people can't exactly care too much about civil rights. You literally made a post railing against people wanting to emphasize civil rights in our society.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:It's too late Pener Kropoopkin I've already run into the woods like Thoreau. Baloogan lives down the way. *Nathan Explosion voice* Of all the McDonalds, you were the most brutal.
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Elephant Ambush posted:You aren't alt right but you're clearly a willfully ignorant moron who seems to be intentionally ignoring the fact that "id pol" is literally the new phrase for civil rights. You can't tell me you've never seen or heard this before because you shitpost like a stoned uncaring teenager in tons of threads in this subforum.  i said overemphasis. i have no problem with id pol but when your be all end all is obsession with it you're missing the point. the civil rights movement wasnt just about race, it was also about workers rights. mlk marched with city workers not just because they were black but because they were working poor in need of support. he worked not just for african americans but for poor americans of all races. he spoke out against the vietnam war. you cant tell me the civil rights movement was just about race because no movement is just about one thing. its an amalgam of struggles. this is why liberals lose. they use race as a lampshade for regressive policies that help nobody but the wealthy while leaving out the poor.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Then you go and make another stupid shitpost about how people care too much about identity politics when, guess what, it's literally civil rights and people can't exactly care too much about civil rights. If identity politics were just about civil rights, then they wouldn't have been exploited by white nationalists who internalized the idea that their race identity should form the basis of a new polity. It's a much more complex issue than you're implying, and while Darkman's post wasn't exactly eloquent, he's clearly not talking about civil rights.
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i'm starting my own #brand which caters exclusively to nazis and alt-right people we sell gamer snacks
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The religiously motivated were more likely to want equal rights, John Brown being the best example. Even then, a lot of them put it terms of spiritual equality, all men being equal before god sorta stuff, and shied away from what were, to them, the more uncomfortable practical aspects of racial equality ie: the stuff that actually matters here on earth.
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logikv9 posted:i'm starting my own #brand which caters exclusively to nazis and alt-right people
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also to clarify im just an idiot shitposter who puts very little effort into anything i do so interrupt my opinions as you will lol
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logikv9 posted:i'm starting my own #brand which caters exclusively to nazis and alt-right people White Power Bars: 1488 calories in one serving
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:there's a cigar shop off the highway here that has a big sign with a frog mascot smoking a big ol cigar. not pepe but whenever i drive by i always think of pepe That reminds me, anyone know what the Doobie Dog guy is up to? Has he found his political calling yet?
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Seeing people with Pepe-Trump avatars commenting in rap songs on youtube is always offputting
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logikv9 posted:i'm starting my own #brand which caters exclusively to nazis and alt-right people I would like to invest in this lucrative brand
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Wait will it be, like, a snack based Jordan Peterson lecture because no, I don't want to invest in that
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spacetoaster posted:Were the communists really better then? they were advocating it on grounds of equality explicitly as Noted Communist Agent Martin Luther King Jr. demonstrated this was not, how you say, a votewinner
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Ze Pollack posted:they were advocating it on grounds of equality explicitly I thought King was a socialist? I also thought communists had issues with organized religion? NVM. King was very vocally not a communist. https://longform.org/posts/playboy-interview-martin-luther-king-jr spacetoaster has issued a correction as of 17:04 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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spacetoaster posted:I thought King was a socialist? I also thought communists had issues with organized religion? The only communist who matters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn5bMM0mIvg
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logikv9 posted:i'm starting my own #brand which caters exclusively to nazis and alt-right people i mean if you're gonna try and make some dough going the alt right route is a good idea to go seeing as the alt right very much buys into the "consumption = activism" belief system. they're really no different than neoliberals in their thought process. "if i keep throwing money at x x becomes more powerful!"
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:the abolitionists wanted to end slavery but were not organized around the other principles - ending segregation, self-determination to Black americans, full political social and economic equality among the races, etc. were all planks of the communist movement (and not other political movements) between the civil war and ww2. what about that one famous lincoln letter, the one about class and sweet hem and harmonicas or whatever? or is that a thing I invented during an ether frenzy
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