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It's amazing how anyone could argue that landing a clip's worth of headshots is just as easy as pressing a button and looking in someone's general direction. Sure both characters can kill you within a second, but one has to play perfectly, and the other just has to be able to see you.
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Aug 11, 2017 19:49
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RCarr posted:It's amazing how anyone could argue that landing a clip's worth of headshots is just as easy as pressing a button and looking in someone's general direction. Sure both characters can kill you within a second, but one has to play perfectly, and the other has to just be looking in your direction when they press a button. And has a very slow, very loud, wind-up that makes it really easy to either: a) shoot him; b) control him; or c) get away from a wall.
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Aug 11, 2017 19:50
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I wouldn't make any definitive statements about how balanced he is, he's been out in comp for a week and hasn't seen much (any?) tournament play yet. He's doing well in comp at higher skill levels, which might get even more pronounced as people figure out even better ways to play him, or might just be people not yet adapting to his existence. The thing to keep in mind though is that none of this whining has to do with actual analysis of his place in the meta (because, again, there's almost nothing to go on) and everything to do with people freaking out because there's a new hero who's actually good at killing things. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 19:52
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berenzen posted:Counterpoint, revert the hog nerf. would be nice but if he's anything to go by, doomfist is gonna get guttered next time they change him in a patch
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Aug 11, 2017 19:57
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I'm quite happy to admit that I am bad; but I also don't have the time to get good at Overwatch and other videogames. I can sneak in 2-3 matches per session on a good day. Doomfist makes those matches inherently less enjoyable, because he easily one shots the characters I play as. I'm not going to make any deliberation on whether or not he is good/bad/OP, but he tangibly makes the game less fun for people like me. e: I'm also fairly certain that this is temporary and eventually I'll get used to dodging him or keeping an eye out for him.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:02
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Montalvo posted:I'm quite happy to admit that I am bad; but I also don't have the time to get good at Overwatch and other videogames. I can sneak in 2-3 matches per session on a good day. Doomfist makes those matches inherently less enjoyable, because he easily one shots the characters I play as. I'm not going to make any deliberation on whether or not he is good/bad/OP, but he tangibly makes the game less fun for people like me. I mean. They're not gonna balance the game around players that barely play
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Aug 11, 2017 20:04
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Macaluso posted:I mean. They're not gonna balance the game around players that barely play Oh for sure, nor should they. I didn't mean to imply from my post that the game should be balanced around people like me; but maybe some of the folks complaining about Doomfist have similar experiences as I do.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:04
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berenzen posted:Counterpoint, revert the hog nerf. You know what? loving do this. If it'll solve all the Doomfist bitching then do this. I despised Roadhog (my post history can back this up) but if it means I can keep the one character that has brought me back into this game then loving unnerf Roadhog.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:05
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i mean, i get it, people feel good playing the OP hero
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Aug 11, 2017 20:13
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I feel good when I send someone into the wall but pretty much useless whenever that's on cooldown because I'm bad at doomfist
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Aug 11, 2017 20:14
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just shoot Doomfist lmao
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Aug 11, 2017 20:15
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i mean, i get it, people feel good playing the OP hero Yes, Winston is a lot of fun since his totally unnecessary and excessive buff. Lucio too.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:16
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The dumb thing about Doomfist is that two of his unique abilities are combined into an escape move for the most effective players instead of being neat abilities on their own Also his ult is an escape Dude likes escaping
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Aug 11, 2017 20:22
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wyoak posted:The dumb thing about Doomfist is that two of his unique abilities are combined into an escape move for the most effective players instead of being neat abilities on their own Yeah it feels weird that his two dps abilities are used for escape more than damage. I'm only like 2300 SR but I haven't noticed many dominant Doomfists at my level. He seems to die rather easily even if a good player has him. A smurf Tracer or Genji at my level is murderous though. Honestly even Pharrah/Mercy is still more of a pain in the rear end. But i dunno how it gets at 3k+ SR with him.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:31
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I don't even play doomfist, I just play characters that shut him down hard.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:34
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Ginette Reno posted:Yeah it feels weird that his two dps abilities are used for escape more than damage. I placed at just above 3k and I use both his escape abilities as dps abilities. Diving is dumb and instead I play him like a brawler. It works and is super fun for me.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:38
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For a good time wait till red team Reaper has ult and panic uppercut him into the middle of your team after he dodges your slow-rear end punch by turning into a spooky ghost.
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Aug 11, 2017 21:11
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i mean, i get it, people feel good playing the OP hero If you really feel Doomfist is OP a better way to prove your point would be slampicking him in comp and demonstrably rising to a rank you otherwise wouldn't have a chance of attaining normally (diamond to GM, masters to top 500 or something) solely on the back of this one weird trick Blizzard doesn't want you to know. Otherwise I'm going to assume that all the complaints of him being super OP are in the same category of people complaining that Pharah is too OP because they can't hit aerial targets and/or haven't learned how to look up yet.
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Aug 11, 2017 22:34
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gently caress lucioball
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Aug 11, 2017 23:09
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Kai Tave posted:If you really feel Doomfist is OP a better way to prove your point would be slampicking him in comp and demonstrably rising to a rank you otherwise wouldn't have a chance of attaining normally (diamond to GM, masters to top 500 or something) solely on the back of this one weird trick Blizzard doesn't want you to know. Otherwise I'm going to assume that all the complaints of him being super OP are in the same category of people complaining that Pharah is too OP because they can't hit aerial targets and/or haven't learned how to look up yet. I have no horse in this race since I've only played Lucioball since DF came out, but let's not get all dismissive with passive aggressive rank shaming. Kerrrrrrr posted:gently caress lucioball I legit might invest in Rocket League because it seems like Lucioball but better.
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Aug 11, 2017 23:09
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rocket league is infinitely better than lucio ball. it's not even a competition
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"overpowered" and "bad for the game" are not necessarily the same thingRedundant posted:I legit might invest in Rocket League because it seems like Lucioball but better. I thought lucioball was fantastic last summer, bought rocket league over the winter season, and this year playing lucioball again I'm going "This is loving awful, how did I possibly think this was good last year?" because rocket league is that much better
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Aug 11, 2017 23:16
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Manatee Cannon posted:rocket league is infinitely better than lucio ball. it's not even a competition SKULL.GIF posted:I thought lucioball was fantastic last summer, bought rocket league over the winter season, and this year playing lucioball again I'm going "This is loving awful, how did I possibly think this was good last year?" because rocket league is that much better
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Aug 11, 2017 23:20
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Manatee Cannon posted:rocket league is infinitely better than lucio ball. it's not even a competition also gently caress rocket league though
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Aug 11, 2017 23:47
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i mean if youre going to play a dumb soccer game then rocket league is the clear choice over an overwatch mod unless you just want the overwatch loot
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SKULL.GIF posted:"overpowered" and "bad for the game" are not necessarily the same thing This is true, good thing doomfist is neither. Doomfist is actually really healthy for the competitive nature of the game. He peels dive heroes off his support line really well while also having a bunch of counterplay both in the numerous heroes that can trounce all over him as well as being able to be simply played around. The addition of doomfist promises to see a reduction of the dominance of the dive meta, and the rise of off-meta heroes like McCree. That is a good thing for the game in my opinion.
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Aug 11, 2017 23:55
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Redundant posted:If Genji got buffed so he was 100% brokenly OP and I could pick them every single match I would still probably end up dropping rank because I am bad (especially as Genji) and he would show up on both teams in every match. A character being OP amplifies your impact on the game rather than being a +500SR thing in my opinion/experience. You still have to outplay your opposing number so if you suck it just means your team don't stand a chance. I'm not rank shaming. Snazzy Frocks is a way higher rank than I am. My point is that if you, the hypothetical you, believe that something is easy mode OP brokenly good that the best way to try and prove that point as well as something that's also personally advantageous to you of you're right is to ruthlessly exploit the poo poo out of it for maximum gain. Obviously it would still require a degree of practice but right here in this thread people are arguing that Doomfist is an easier ganker than Tracer and that you just have to vaguely punch in someone's direction to kill them, so if that's the case it shouldn't be all that hard. If the argument isnt that Doomfist is OP but merely "unfun" then we're right back to the unanswerable question of what constitutes a fun way to die.
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berenzen posted:This is true, good thing doomfist is neither. Doomfist is actually really healthy for the competitive nature of the game. He peels dive heroes off his support line really well while also having a bunch of counterplay both in the numerous heroes that can trounce all over him as well as being able to be simply played around. That's not what people are complaining about though. Peeling for his supports is fine, the issue people are talking about is that he's just as good ignoring all that poo poo and just playing excessively offensively. That's why these Tracer/Genji comparisons are being made: he's great in his intended role but he's also surprisingly effective when played like them too and it makes him feel utilitarian and overpowered when honestly I don't think the latter category really fits him. But then again it's only been what, a couple weeks? Idk that that's enough time to decide that yet.
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Aug 12, 2017 00:18
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I mean I don't think it's the worst thing in the world for an Overwatch character to be well rounded enough that they can do two things well as opposed to just one.
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I didn't say it was, I'm just trying to point out that him being good at peeling for supports isn't usually what people are complaining about.
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Wrist Watch posted:I didn't say it was, I'm just trying to point out that him being good at peeling for supports isn't usually what people are complaining about. I didn't say it was the reason why people were complaining about him. I'm saying that his mere existence as a hero, so long as he remains as a viable peel hero, threatens the dominance of dive meta, which is healthy for the game. Removing his punch-kill means that he would no longer exist as a threat to dive heroes.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i mean if youre going to play a dumb soccer game then rocket league is the clear choice over an overwatch mod unless you just want the overwatch loot Kerrrrrrr posted:also gently caress rocket league though Kai Tave posted:I'm not rank shaming. Snazzy Frocks is a way higher rank than I am. My point is that if you, the hypothetical you, believe that something is easy mode OP brokenly good that the best way to try and prove that point as well as something that's also personally advantageous to you of you're right is to ruthlessly exploit the poo poo out of it for maximum gain. Obviously it would still require a degree of practice but right here in this thread people are arguing that Doomfist is an easier ganker than Tracer and that you just have to vaguely punch in someone's direction to kill them, so if that's the case it shouldn't be all that hard.
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Aug 12, 2017 00:44
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I mean I played doomfist and the enemy team switched to cree, reaper and orisa and I had to swap off because there wasn't many people i could comfortably hit behind their lines, so whatever.
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Aug 12, 2017 00:51
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the fact that three people had to switch to counter you before you gave up should tell us something
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Aug 12, 2017 01:02
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Not really? It takes a lot to force a swap off, because there's the chance that you're better than your counter and can outplay/play around them and still be effective. When they swap to 2 or 3 counters, then it likely gets actively difficult for you to be effective. Counterplay should be a greater investment than the playing the hero they're countering.
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Aug 12, 2017 01:13
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Snazzy Frocks posted:the fact that three people had to switch to counter you before you gave up should tell us something Cool. Other characters to consider over powered: Pharah, Genji, Mercy, Tracer
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Aug 12, 2017 01:41
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Bumper Stickup posted:Cool. Other characters to consider over powered: Pharah, Genji, Mercy, Tracer Don't forget Winston, D.Va, Widow, Hanzo.
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Aug 12, 2017 01:47
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The other day I stomped an enemy team as Zenyatta up until they all switched to dive characters so they could kill me. Suppose Zen is OP too.
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berenzen posted:Doomfist is a fairly well-balanced hero that punishes players for being bad. Therefore the vast majority of people think he's OP, because they don't want to admit that they're bad. Same thing as Roadhog. Because what people are forgetting, is that if doomfist misses his punch, he's a massive sitting duck and really easy to kill because he has a massively fat hitbox. Game isn't deaf friendly, unistawin
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