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Harvick's points may be somewhat relevant, but Junior drew attention in ways Harvick only did when he was in position to kick somebody's rear end after a race or after getting suspended from Cup races as a result of actions in a lower series race well before Kyle Busch did it. The fact that the remaining tenured big names in the sport (Harvick, Johnson, Busches, Kenseth (if he even has a ride next year), Kahne) don't have the star power or name recognition of a Gordon (retired), Stewart (retired), or Dale Jr. (retiring), or even Danica (nearly unemployed) is a commentary on some combination of a) NASCAR stifling personalities to the point where everyone was boring, then let the Boys Have At It, only to try to return to their family-friendly utopia and/or b) the biggest names in the sport right now not finding a way to make themselves interesting or relatable in spite of Brian France's bipolarity. A couple drivers have been able to shake that, but they're largely disliked due taking more of a heel route (Kyle, Kes). The Fan Council every now and then asks what we think of certain drivers and the reply I wind up giving most of them is "boring as gently caress". The flaw in Harvick's angle is NASCAR's LeBron is someone people got tired of because he was a robot who found a way to game NASCAR's unbeatable playoff system five years in a row and seven of 14.
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VikingSkull posted:NASCAR died when they closed Rockingham this and the Atlanta re-do are crimes against humanity
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SwampYankee posted:The whole "people should/do only root for the most talented athletes/teams" sentiment that Harvick is using is kinda wrong and dumb anyway. Most sports fans I know root for their home team regardless of whether or not they're winning games and championships, and aren't gonna switch to another team when theirs starts losing. As a New England native, I can very safely say that "fans" that migrate from hot team to hot team are not the kind of people you really want following anything, and unless someone/team is completely dominating, they are the ones to lose interest the fastest anyway.
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Slickdrac posted:As a New England native, I can very safely say that "fans" that migrate from hot team to hot team are not the kind of people you really want following anything, and unless someone/team is completely dominating, they are the ones to lose interest the fastest anyway. I'm in Southeast MA, and I can't picture any of the Patriots or Red Sox fans I know cheering for anyone else or not watching games because they weren't playing well, but they definitely aren't the casual fans you're talking about. The big problem isn't casual fans leaving because of Jr not running well, it's that NASCAR spent too much time changing the sport trying to keep those casual fans around while their original fanbase started walking away because of all the changes.
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SwampYankee posted:I'm in Southeast MA, and I can't picture any of the Patriots or Red Sox fans I know cheering for anyone else or not watching games because they weren't playing well, but they definitely aren't the casual fans you're talking about.
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NASCAR will never really have a lot of star personalities like it did in the 70s/80s/90s again because the sport has priced itself out of that. It thrived when the guys driving the cars were a lot like the guys sitting in the stands watching the races. Now, the gulf between driver and fan is so loving wide and you almost have to come from money to make it so it's just not the same.
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Elitist Bitch posted:I also had no idea Harvick was racist. He's from California so its practically a guarantee.
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Are there any states that aren't racist
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Are there any states that aren't racist No.
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NASCAR has had problems with race for a while now. Adding stages helped a bit, but overall it should still do more to improve races.
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Clean air has been about 36-0 every season for a long time now.
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sportsgenius86 posted:NASCAR will never really have a lot of star personalities like it did in the 70s/80s/90s again because the sport has priced itself out of that. Accurate. I keep thinking of the top drivers of the 90's. Martin, Gordon, Dale Sr., Wallace, Labonte, Mayfield, Kyle Petty (IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS CAREER), Marlin, Elliott Jarrett, Burton, and the Labonte Brothers. All of those guys just seemed like they had more of a conncection to the fans of that era and the sport in general. A lot of them were 2nd gen with family that ran during the bootlegging days. To paraphrase from Talladega Nights "They all had a little bit of "cowboy"" in them. Christ, who didn't LOVE any of those guys? Remember getting excited about buying the Terry Labonte cornflakes car or stuff of that nature. Let's go to the 2000's....Johnson, Harvick, Busch Bros., Ryan Newman, Tony Stewart, Dale Jr., Carl Edwards, Kahne, Kenseth... I mean GREAT dirvers, but outside of Stewart and Jr? You're not getting the same level of 'cowboy".
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Cygni posted:god loving boston sportsfans should be fed to sharks. WE AINT NO CASUAL FANS HOW DAHR YOU I don't disagree with that. I've always been a race fan, never got into stick and ball sports. Most people around here look at me like I've got two heads when I tell them I don't care much about the Red Sox or the Pats.
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Cygni posted:god loving boston sportsfans should be fed to sharks. WE AINT NO CASUAL FANS HOW DAHR YOU There's an idot that calls into the local cleveland sports talk stations to pretty much poo poo on every team we have while saying -insert boston team here- is going to win the -insert title here- This reaction/attitude is puzzling to me because generally when living/visting another city? I generally don't care, or will in fact enjoy watching said citie's teams play. I wouldn't call into WLW and go "DA REDS SUCK! YOU GUYS DON'T GOT PLAYERS LIKE WE DO! WOO! GO TRIBE!". I don't get this. No one is poking back at boston and going "gently caress you. You guys suck. Good luck at winning anything" in any market but New York.
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VikingSkull posted:the New York-Boston rivalry is the greatest rivalry in sports OSU-UM is solid as hell. VikingSkull posted:oh yeah and both of us will unite to talk poo poo about every other market, and rightfully so I've grown to respect the Yankees organization lately. I don't know why that is. Might help that Steinbrenner was a bad rear end owner, and his grandson is gonna field an indy team in the near future (even camped out at Mid Ohio). Ugh. Can't believe they found another gem in Aaron Judge though...drat, what a beast.
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Steimbrenner was an owner who wanted to make sure he kept winning, even if it meant paying bookies for dirt on his players
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Bobby Labonte was boring as hell
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Bobby Labonte was boring as hell I'm mad as hell
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Bobby Labonte was boring as hell Also fastest falloff from champion to meh midfielder ever. Kinda like your Avatar's son.
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Our excitement about Darlington throwbacks every year proves the problem isn't the racing product, the chase, the loose-leaf rulebook, or driver personalities. It's the vehicle graphics. Ban CMYK vinyl printing and require everything to be done with paint or spot-color decals and NASCAR will be great again with a return to clean blocks of solid color. Gradients and photorealism are what's really killing the sport.
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https://twitter.com/PJJones98/status/896050742716276736
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His penmanship looks like that of an eight year old.
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mine is much much worse
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no really yall should go back to arguing about how driver personalities are the problem and stages make it better while you still fall asleep 25 minutes into a race that will inevitable by won by either a JGR car or Jimmie Johnson
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My mind's eye has some intern at ARCA calling Mr. A.J. Foyt as to whether or not he knows anything about PJ Jones.
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Cygni posted:mine is much much worse my handwriting is so bad that i switched to writing with my left hand so that i could read my own handwriting while taking notes in class, which was a temporary improvement until i got more practice at it and now it sucks equally with both hands
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As a racing fan? I do miss the 90's. That's cliched as hell to say, but I really fell in love with NASCAR at that time, and fell out of it by the time the 2nd term of the Bush administration came up. It was a lot more fun to follow back when it was on TNN, TBS, CBS, ABC, ESPN, and ESPN2. It felt kinda "obscure" to everyone I grew up around and kinda thought of as a "hillbilliy" sport. It also felt like venues like "Martinsville", "Daytona" , "Rockingham", "Darlington", "Bristol" felt like a bigger deal at the time. I think the first time I had a feeling it was going to get too big was...of all things? When Christian Fittipaldi was running races for Petty. It was such a bizarre thing and didn't sit well with me for some reason. It for some reason was beginning to feel more like a "fad" as that sort of thing began to happen more and more.
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FuzzySkinner posted:As a racing fan? Exactly the way I feel. You posted my feelings way more eloquently than I ever could have.
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CBJSprague24 posted:My mind's eye has some intern at ARCA calling Mr. A.J. Foyt as to whether or not he knows anything about PJ Jones. Mr. Foyt have your ever driven a race car professionally?
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Nit Wit Dog poo poo posted:Exactly the way I feel. It's weird re: Fittipaldi because my feelings about say, Scott Pruett, Robby Gordon, Tony Stewart, etc were of shrugged shoulders. They all seemed to "fit" the cup scene. (Pruett did Trans Am, IMSA back in the day. Gordon actually did NASCAR first, as well as Trans Am. Stewart had been doing NASCAR as long as he had been doing IndyCar). But Fittipaldi just seemed like a bizarre cash grab for some reason. I started noticing more glaring shifts from how races were covered, how sponsors were using drivers (Kasey Kahne, All State), venues being hosed with (No more labor day Darlington, the death of rockingham). Hell even the "NEXTEL CUP" felt just...weird. As for Fittipaldi? By 2008 you had guys like Dario, Allmendinger, Villeneuve, Carpentier and Montoya trying to make the field not at Indianapolis, but at Daytona. Some of them in good, sponsored rides too. I just remember shaking my head and wondering why they weren't giving some young guy in the dev. ranks a shot.
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YO THAT WAS A GOOD FUCKIN RACE
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That was a good race(TM).
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Bubba needs a cup ride. bad.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Bubba needs a cup ride. He will probably get a bad Cup ride, yes
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Bubba is the driver we needed this weekend. Also, Kyle: 
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