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St. Dogbert posted:Four words - Gasoline in Super Soakers. Better idea, fill the lawn sprinklers with gasoline then program them to go off during the march.
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Avalanche posted:I almost wish people would stop poking the loving hornet's nest with taking down statues or taking down crosses/ten commandments in courtrooms or whatever. Yea, that poo poo probably shouldn't be in those places, but it's more historical than anything and at least depicts the flawed beginnings of this country. Besides, what kind of rear end in a top hat complains about an 80 year old statue? Of all the problems and other poo poo going on in this country, tearing down a loving statue should be a pretty low priority. From a practical standpoint, it will probably cost the school a fuckton of money to deal with all the Nazi assholes congregating around the drat thing in addition to all of the construction costs to remove/replace it instead of just leaving it out in the cold to weather and slowly devolve into an unrecognizable hunk of stone/metal. Coordinate the removals so they come down simultaneously in several different states. Turn all the Nazis into Buridan's assholes.
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Avalanche posted:but it's more historical than anything Speaking for Lee Park specifically, the statue was erected in 1924 and has no relation to any particular historical event that happened near here. They just put up a statue of a general because that's what they wanted to put up -- just because it's been there for a while doesn't mean it's of historical value. E: You also seem to think this statue has something direct to do with UVA. It does not. Red Baron posted:Did anyone even want to take down this statue? I thought this was another case of them just assuming Those Liberals would be there and so they showed up in numbers like last time. Yep. It's been in the works for a while and is tied up in some legal wrangling -- war monuments are protected from removal by law, but this isn't a war monument so much as a monument featuring a guy that was in the war so it's not clear if it's covered. Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I feel like an effective counterprotest would have involved leis, a conga line and a limbo pole being constantly placed in front of thier column. The recommended dress for counter-protesters includes clown outfits and tubas. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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I am surprised the Confederate moment isn't just laughed at outright. You have had 150+ years to 'rise again' and the best you could do is pretend cowboy and dress up your pick up trucks. To give some credit Germany took less than 30 years to go from being beaten in one massive war (losing 4 million people) to nearly taking over the loving world. The 'South shall rise again'? 150+ years and counting idiots.
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https://twitter.com/_craigstanley/status/896349016929206272 Oh, it's going down!
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Avalanche posted:I almost wish people would stop poking the loving hornet's nest with taking down statues or taking down crosses/ten commandments in courtrooms or whatever. Yea, that poo poo probably shouldn't be in those places, but it's more historical than anything and at least depicts the flawed beginnings of this country. Besides, what kind of rear end in a top hat complains about an 80 year old statue? Of all the problems and other poo poo going on in this country, tearing down a loving statue should be a pretty low priority. From a practical standpoint, it will probably cost the school a fuckton of money to deal with all the Nazi assholes congregating around the drat thing in addition to all of the construction costs to remove/replace it instead of just leaving it out in the cold to weather and slowly devolve into an unrecognizable hunk of stone/metal. You're going to get enough poo poo for this post, so I'll just zoom in on the bolder part and say that these statues and monuments were not erected during the CW or Reconstruction, they were erected largely during the mid-20th century and into the civil rights era, and were always intended to be a power dynamic. This is not historical preservation, this is revisionism at best, and intimidation at worst.
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Avalanche posted:I almost wish people would stop poking the loving hornet's nest with taking down statues or taking down crosses/ten commandments in courtrooms or whatever. Yea, that poo poo probably shouldn't be in those places, but it's more historical than anything and at least depicts the flawed beginnings of this country. Besides, what kind of rear end in a top hat complains about an 80 year old statue? Of all the problems and other poo poo going on in this country, tearing down a loving statue should be a pretty low priority. From a practical standpoint, it will probably cost the school a fuckton of money to deal with all the Nazi assholes congregating around the drat thing in addition to all of the construction costs to remove/replace it instead of just leaving it out in the cold to weather and slowly devolve into an unrecognizable hunk of stone/metal. They're monuments to white supremacy - not a rememberance of the cost of the war on our nation. We should have memorials to that part of our history, but they need to not memorialize the the figures who helped defend the institution of slavery. It really speaks volumes that literal nazis (literally saluting, using nazi slogans, marching not unlike nazis) feel threatened by this and came out to protest. That should be a sign that these statues aren't about a rememberence of the war or a celebration of culture but about white supremacy. Their presence and their actions make this explicit.
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Red Baron posted:Did anyone even want to take down this statue? I thought this was another case of them just assuming Those Liberals would be there and so they showed up in numbers like last time. Slate - How Charlottesville, Virginia’s Confederate statues helped decimate the city’s historically successful black communities. posted:In June a resolution to rename Charlottesville’s two Confederate parks was passed by the Charlottesville City Council unanimously. Lee Park, the home of a controversial Robert E. Lee statue that the council previously voted to remove, will become Emancipation Park, and Jackson Park, the home of a statue of Stonewall Jackson, will become Justice Park. Meanwhile, locals are working on ways to counteract a Ku Klux Klan rally, proposed for July 8, and an alt-right March on Charlottesville headed by Richard Spencer, proposed for Aug. 12, at the site of the Lee statue’s eventual removal.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/_craigstanley/status/896349016929206272 The small cock brigade has arrived!
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If you've never had a argument with someone who believes that Lee was a honorable man and that Lincoln in fact was the racists then consider yourself blessed because I have had to argue with a family member who believes that exact thing.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/_craigstanley/status/896349016929206272 Someone is going to get shot. Even odds for anyone right now.
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Have any GOP pols other than hatch condemned all this poo poo yet?
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Tatsuta Age posted:Have any GOP pols other than hatch condemned all this poo poo yet? lol why condemn your base?
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Tatsuta Age posted:Have any GOP pols other than hatch condemned all this poo poo yet? theyre too busy wishing they could be there
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tentative8e8op posted:The city council voted to remove the Lee statue in April.In June a resolution to rename Charlottesville’s two Confederate parks was passed by the Charlottesville City Council unanimously. Lee Park, the home of a controversial Robert E. Lee statue that the council previously voted to remove, will become Emancipation Park, and Jackson Park, the home of a statue of Stonewall Jackson, will become Justice Park. Meanwhile, locals are working on ways to counteract a Ku Klux Klan rally, proposed for July 8, and an alt-right March on Charlottesville headed by Richard Spencer, proposed for Aug. 12, at the site of the Lee statue’s eventual removal. Yea, ok tear the fucker down then.
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AlternateNu posted:The first thing I thought after looking at the photos of the Nazi rally was: "I want to fill a super soaker with kerosene and spray them with it." No. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. We determined this 70 years ago and it's still true today
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C2C - 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/_craigstanley/status/896349016929206272 It is the start of the Handmaids tale Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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He's carrying at least two flashlights
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Tatsuta Age posted:Have any GOP pols other than hatch condemned all this poo poo yet? https://twitter.com/EdWGillespie/status/896347392563453956
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Red Baron posted:Someone is going to get shot. Even odds for anyone right now. prediction: at some point in the next 6 months, we're going to have a Kent State style incident - only it'll be peaceful protesters being shot by some fat nazi rather than the National Guard
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namaste faggots posted:He's carrying at least two flashlights People get reeeeeeaaaaallly into their
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Dr. VooDoo posted:No. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. We determined this 70 years ago and it's still true today I still have some people I considered extremely liberal telling me that punching Nazis is not the answer. It's not even a pacifism thing, it's some high-minded "they can sayyyyyy ittt" as if we did not stage a surprise landing of 156,000 troops and team up with Russia to sandwich the fuckers between the unstoppable force of America and the unconquerable rock that is Russia. Even if you aren't a stalwart student of history every single loving depiction of Nazis is unabashedly evil, how could you possibly throw your hat in their ring. THEY ALREADY LOST! maskenfreiheit posted:prediction: at some point in the next 6 months, we're going to have a Kent State style incident - only it'll be peaceful protesters being shot by some fat nazi rather than the National Guard My money is on a protest nearby to a Nativity scene and the shooter will say they thought the godless AntiFa was trying to desecrate Jesus. It will turn out the person was simply trying to film/photo from a safe distance. Rather than crystallizing the situation for everyone, it instead adds a layer of Religion to the current tension. Next round begins. Red Baron fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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maskenfreiheit posted:prediction: at some point in the next 6 months, we're going to have a Kent State style incident - only it'll be peaceful protesters being shot by some fat nazi rather than the National Guard Well if that happens it will be some crazy lone wolf whose reasons and motives will truly never be known Red Baron posted:I still have some people I considered extremely liberal telling me that punching Nazis is not the answer. It's not even a pacifism thing, it's some high-minded "they can sayyyyyy ittt" as if we did not stage a surprise landing of 156,000 troops and team up with Russia to sandwich the fuckers between the unstoppable force of America and the unconquerable rock that is Russia. Even if you aren't a stalwart student of history every single loving depiction of Nazis is unabashedly evil, how could you possibly throw your hat in their ring. THEY ALREADY LOST! They're under the impression that Nazis and fascists are like any typical political stance so they deserve their say. They don't understand the fascist doesn't argue and debate in good faith, that their only true rhetoric is violence and death, and that they grow like an infection in a political system until they have the strength to destroy and replace it with the oppression and desolation they dream of. Until they realize that liberals will always pat themselves on the back for taking "The High Road" by letting fascists spew their hate to show how much better they are for believing in the human rights that the fascist seeks to utterly destroy with contempt. TLDR; gently caress hand wringing liberals, death to fascists Dr. VooDoo fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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Red Baron posted:I still have some people I considered extremely liberal telling me that punching Nazis is not the answer. It's not even a pacifism thing, it's some high-minded "they can sayyyyyy ittt" as if we did not stage a surprise landing of 156,000 troops and team up with Russia to sandwich the fuckers between the unstoppable force of America and the unconquerable rock that is Russia. Even if you aren't a stalwart student of history every single loving depiction of Nazis is unabashedly evil, how could you possibly throw your hat in their ring. THEY ALREADY LOST! Ask them what the solution they think will work is Because its not going to work, these people are afraid of the changing world and the thought of being 'equal' with any one other person that isn't white. I don't think you can reach them with any particular language.
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Is there a thread that will be tracking the charlottesville stuff?
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quote:Chanting “White lives matter!” “You will not replace us!” and “Jews will not replace us!” several hundred white nationalists and white supremacists carrying torches marched in a parade through the University of Virginia campus Friday night. https://twitter.com/JoeHeim/status/896193233826525189
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You know what the real problem is, though: https://mobile.twitter.com/NicoSGonzalez/status/896375107437735936
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Dr. VooDoo posted:
Maybe they do realize that and deep down inside don't really find nazism and fascism to be that unacceptable. Whenever this country used to criticize the nazis for poo poo they did in the 30s before WWII they would point back and claim their policies were fully in line with American public policy (eugenics, sterilization of disabled people etc.)
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Timely. I watched Gone With the Wind last night with my girl and I couldn't help but wish the worst on all characters at all times. I loving hate Confederates and the southern culture in general. Almost cheered when Sherman arrived to Atlanta.
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hanales posted:Is there a thread that will be tracking the charlottesville stuff? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3830027
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Let's kick off this racial holy war
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Jfc. What moron would throw a fit over a loving Robert E Lee statue under the age of 80? As an actual southerner from a southern family, it's absurd the general of the traitors gets treated with such deference even up to today much less right after he helped assist in the killing of thousands. Lee has been mythologized to an absolutely ludicrous extent. Most of the heaviest revisionism seems to have happened after 1960 for some odd reason.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:https://twitter.com/_craigstanley/status/896349016929206272 How many of them do you think would die of heart attacks and strokes after an hour of intense activity?
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Well we're certainly not talking about Russia or the healthcare failure now are we
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Peven Stan posted:Maybe they do realize that and deep down inside don't really find nazism and fascism to be that unacceptable. For at least one of them I can tell they're hoping for some kind of enlightened outcome. I tried to say you can't reason with the unreasonable but, hey, I understand the desire to hope for better solutions that magically make people unfuck their ideas. Showing off an actual Nazi rally happening right the gently caress now has definitely gotten some traction this morning, maybe they'll hit the point where it comes into focus.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWwoS0XeF9o Here's a C'ville livestream. NmareBfly fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Well we're certainly not talking about Russia or the healthcare failure now are we Hmmm I think you'll find that enraged camel will be along shortly to tell you to 'gently caress right off' Boon fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Aug 12, 2017 |
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Red Baron posted:For at least one of them I can tell they're hoping for some kind of enlightened outcome. I tried to say you can't reason with the unreasonable but, hey, I understand the desire to hope for better solutions that magically make people unfuck their ideas. Showing off an actual Nazi rally happening right the gently caress now has definitely gotten some traction this morning, maybe they'll hit the point where it comes into focus. The thing is, what is there to do when the cops are basically on their side?
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