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boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
https://twitter.com/NegarMortazavi/status/884504634462789632
https://twitter.com/NegarMortazavi/status/884597934209323008

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Bolow
Feb 27, 2007

FastestGunAlive posted:

There's a dude in the military history thread who has done some good detailed posts on the Iran Iraq war. Seriously crazy poo poo. Most recently he discussed the Iranian human wave mine field clearing technique. Think he has touched on the armor battles previously

Didn't they electrify an entire loving swamp during the Iran Iraq War?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

VA has identified the two cops who died in the helicopter crash.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

if you were in the coal industry and you didn't see all the indicators that it was a dying field, i don't have sympathy for your economic issues. you should have had more foresight.

loving poors not reinvesting in themselves!!!

Perhaps it's this kind of sentiment that pushes these idiots closer to the frige. If you live in a coal mining town which industry would you have jumped into?

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Kawasaki Nun posted:

loving poors not reinvesting in themselves!!!

Perhaps it's this kind of sentiment that pushes these idiots closer to the frige. If you live in a coal mining town which industry would you have jumped into?

one that wasn't obviously on the way out probably.

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012

Kawasaki Nun posted:

loving poors not reinvesting in themselves!!!

Perhaps it's this kind of sentiment that pushes these idiots closer to the frige. If you live in a coal mining town which industry would you have jumped into?

The only realistic answer to this question is "I enlist in the US military." :negative:

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

one that wasn't obviously on the way out probably.

christ you really are this dumb arent you. it really isnt an act.

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Yeah I was with you most of the way up until that. Don't poo poo on the proles for being hosed by the system. You can poo poo on them for turning into Nazis because of it, I guess, but it's not like there was anywhere else for them to go....

Except join the military, I guess. Which :lol:

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Proud Christian Mom posted:

christ you really are this dumb arent you. it really isnt an act.

sorry. i don't have sympathy for people who stick around in an industry that won't last while at the same time being part of a demographic that by and large vote against policies that would help them in spite of their dying career field because it would mean helping other people.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Terrain, Cole. Terrain.

Jarmak
Jan 24, 2005

psydude posted:

Also the Iran/Iraq war.

yeah realized that right after I posted.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Current Events Aug 17: new challenger fails to dodge competition

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

sorry. i don't have sympathy for people who stick around in an industry that won't last while at the same time being part of a demographic that by and large vote against policies that would help them in spite of their dying career field because it would mean helping other people.

Gonna pass this message along to the disproportionate number of incarcerated Black Americans who refuse to leave post-industrial middle America for the greener pastures of wherever the gently caress unskilled labor provides a livable wage, homeownership, and the opportunity for the next generation to surpass the last one in education and employability.

"You guys did this to yourselves by refusing to show up on election day. IT ONLY TAKES A MINUTE TO VOTE, GUYS, GOSH. Now beat feet, idiots."

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Victor Vermis posted:

Gonna pass this message along to the disproportionate number of incarcerated Black Americans who refuse to leave post-industrial middle America for the greener pastures of wherever the gently caress unskilled labor provides a livable wage, homeownership, and the opportunity for the next generation to surpass the last one in education and employability.

"You guys did this to yourselves by refusing to show up on election day. IT ONLY TAKES A MINUTE TO VOTE, GUYS, GOSH. Now beat feet, idiots."

Okay, but that won't change my mind about people who actively vote against helping themselves because it might help those same people you're passing that message along to, since anything related to socialism is worse than death.

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

Okay, but that won't change my mind about people who actively vote against helping themselves because it might help those same people you're passing that message along to, since anything related to socialism is worse than death.

Hey I feel you. I called for the eradication of the MAGA race back when there was a fun thread for that kind of thing.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

psydude posted:

Not disagreeing with you. Prevention is important, but we're clearly in the treatment phase of the illness.
We need both. Fighting Nazis is necessary and glorious, but more akin to treating the symptoms than the underlying disease. Bash the fash and fight for a better way forward.

bengy81
May 8, 2010

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

sorry. i don't have sympathy for people who stick around in an industry that won't last while at the same time being part of a demographic that by and large vote against policies that would help them in spite of their dying career field because it would mean helping other people.

So you aren't wrong, but you aren't right either.

The Navy was literally my golden ticket out of white trash land. I graduated at the exact same time the tech bubble burst in a tech heavy town. I couldn't get a job better than fast food cashier to save my life, mind you I tended my first cashier at 14...

I rode the line between being broke and crippling poverty for a few years before I decided to enlist, and I waited on DEP for almost a full year. Not gonna lie, being able to ship to boot camp was like hitting the lotto.



But what happens if you can't enlist?

Or if you were raised in a single industry town in a dying part of the rust belt?
It's hard to move if you can't afford it, and how do you differentiate yourself from any other broke white dude in any other town when you interview for a job slightly better than 8 an hour at Wal-Mart?

Don't get me wrong, I have 0 sympathy for these Nazi fucks, but there are a lot of folks looking for answers to some desperate questions out there.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

i want the US government to sell their stock of 1911s to the CMP

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

sorry. i don't have sympathy for people who stick around in an industry that won't last while at the same time being part of a demographic that by and large vote against policies that would help them in spite of their dying career field because it would mean helping other people.

What do you think the mobility of the working poor is? Do you have no sympathy for people that come from poverty who lack the same capacity for recognizing growth industries that you do?

Stupid people in bad situations behave even more stupidly than might be reasonably expected. When you live in a community that exists in a region that is completely dependent on a single dying industry it's not the simplest thing to tell everyone around that they're loving wrong and you want to take out an honestly insane amount of student loans out to learn a trade you'll have to practice in a different region / state. Say goodbye to the idea outright if you have accrued a drug charge or had a kid.

What I'm saying is that having sympathy for the stupid isn't a terrible thing, particularly if they come from a place that sucks as much as West Virginia / Florida / the ghetto

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Maybe not a terrible thing to have but holy poo poo balls is it a hard thing to have sympathy when their response to "your poo poo sucks, let's fix it" is "NO gently caress YOU THAT WOULD HELP BROWN PEOPLE".

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


It's incredibly frustrating, yeah, and at some point you gotta give up on them. But expecting Appalachian coal miners to predict economic trends, learn to code, and move to California or whatever is bad, dumb neo-liberal and/or conservative bullshit depending on how exactly you phrase it.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
People being deceived into acting against their best interests by their perceived social superiors is Republican bread and butter at this point. gently caress everyone that gets radicalized and acts on it but at the end of the day desperation makes people act stupid, and scapegoating "others" is a time honored human institution. I loving loathe stupid people, but I definitely sympathize with people who were born into a cult as large and deep as the church of coal

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Reverand maynard posted:

i want the US government to sell their stock of 1911s to the CMP

Did that get passed?


Also:
https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/896558739741974529

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Reverand maynard posted:

i want the US government to sell their stock of 1911s to the CMP

And I want a pony that doesn't poop.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
BINGO!

BINGO!

I HAVE BINGO!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/claudiakoerner/what-we-know-about-james-alex-fields-charlottesville-crash?utm_term=.bbDx7bAxJD#.xu0OvnoObe

quote:

On a Facebook page that appears to belong to Fields, photos included memes embraced by the alt right and some supporters of President Donald Trump, including Pepe the Frog and a portrait of a crowned Trump sitting on a throne.

Other posts contain more overt references to Nazism and white supremacy, including a cover photo of soldiers with an American flag and swastikas, and a baby portrait of Adolf Hitler.

The angular symbol in one image was identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as the Othala rune, a Norse symbol co-opted by the Nazis to promote their ideas of racial "purity."

Another image shows a character from the animated series Archer, who is raised by a Nazi scientist and suggested to be a clone of Hitler.

A photo from 2015 showed Fields proudly posing with a gray Dodge — his first car, according to a comment on Facebook.

OHGOD I EVEN HAVE FOUR CORNERS

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

THANKS DODGE!

Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

LingcodKilla posted:

And I want a pony that doesn't poop.

Looked on the CMP's website and it said the bill passed, but they haven't heard poo poo beyond that yet.


quote:

06/29/17  An update on the 1911’s…

Congressman Rogers’ amendment passed late last night with the FY2018 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). The legislation will now move to the House floor and go to the Senate. Read more at https://mikerogers.house.gov/press-release/rogers-ndaa-good-east-alabama. The CMP has no further information at this time.

Thank you,
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer



Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Crazycryodude posted:

It's incredibly frustrating, yeah, and at some point you gotta give up on them. But expecting Appalachian coal miners to predict economic trends, learn to code, and move to California or whatever is bad, dumb neo-liberal and/or conservative bullshit depending on how exactly you phrase it.

I grew up in Appalachia and got my chance to go to college and pursue a career through the military. While, intellectually, I sympathize with the plight of the rural poor that gets wiped away by my emotional response to the sheer magnitude of the hatred and bigotry they express. What happened today in Charlottesville really solidified that feeling - I think there's somebody I know in that crowd of torch wielding pieces of garbage.

It's hard to express, I guess. I want to sound smart and rational and talk about how the system failed them but at this point I no longer give a single poo poo about their well being and just want them to go away. I never felt the way they do about our fellow man even at my lowest points.

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Aug 13, 2017

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

Crazycryodude posted:

It's incredibly frustrating, yeah, and at some point you gotta give up on them. But expecting Appalachian coal miners to predict economic trends, learn to code, and move to California or whatever is bad, dumb neo-liberal and/or conservative bullshit depending on how exactly you phrase it.

You're right they're too stupid to make it so gently caress em

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

FastestGunAlive posted:

Gulf war was (mostly) fish in a barrel but still some serious poo poo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting

Pretty sick K/D

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
"lol just move you poors" was literally Trump's advice a week or two ago so congrats on sharing policy positions

also,

BUG JUG
Feb 17, 2005




master race actually subhuman exhibit #25,153,669

edit edit: nope, i'm the dummy.

BUG JUG fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Aug 13, 2017

bird cooch
Jan 19, 2007

Proud Christian Mom posted:

"lol just move you poors" was literally Trump's advice a week or two ago so congrats on sharing policy positions

also,

Trump eats food, congratulations on being exactly like Trump.

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016
If you're mad about Robert E Lees poo poo getting taken down get in a time machine to 1863 and die at the end of an American bayonet

Reconciliation with the South was a mistake. Should have been snuffing these traitorous pieces of poo poo out for the last 150 years. Not too late to start though

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

milk milk lemonade posted:

You're right they're too stupid to make it so gently caress em

Literally what the GOP thinks about the poor.

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit

FastestGunAlive posted:

There's a dude in the military history thread who has done some good detailed posts on the Iran Iraq war. Seriously crazy poo poo. Most recently he discussed the Iranian human wave mine field clearing technique. Think he has touched on the armor battles previously

Link? Stuff about that war is extremely my poo poo

milk milk lemonade
Jul 29, 2016

Godholio posted:

Literally what the GOP thinks about the poor.

I was being facetious. Giving up on entire communities is asinine. If someone in a Chicago or New York or wherever can learn JavaScript and how to pat themselves on the back really hard so can someone born in Appalachia. And I'm sure someday they'll all be using Microsoft SQL on physical servers when everyone's moved on to cloud-based NoSQL instances, because they've been disadvantaged quite a bit and blaming them for it is useless.

If they're racist traitors then in all seriousness I could not care less about whether they live or die. But I don't think that applies to most of the people we're talking about here

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Chuck Tingle wishes to join your class/poverty/etc discussion.

https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/896610489467191296

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Eugene V. Dubstep
Oct 4, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!
AP confirms: the Charlottesville attack was a Fiat Chrysler viral marketing stunt gone wrong.

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