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Groovelord Neato posted:ignore that the stormtroopers were ever jango fett clones. Ok. They're using a
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Neo Rasa posted:Can you refresh my memory on this one? Boba Fett and the Empire working together so that the Empire could get Leia and Jabba could get Han Solo was like a major plot point the Empire Strikes Back. Also: 
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Vince MechMahon posted:He and Fett are in on the Han poo poo in Empire and Jedi. Alhazred posted:Boba Fett and the Empire working together so that the Empire could get Leia and Jabba could get Han Solo was like a major plot point the Empire Strikes Back. I never thought Boba Fett actually worked for Jabba or was part of his organization beyond him being a bounty hunter that gets hired with the others to kill/bring someone in now and then. This makes it sounds like Vader phoned Jabba and was like "yeah I'm gonna stop by and pick up four of your guys to help me capture these rebel scum, be ready." Tatooine is so way out there even in the OT, like wasn't it a huge deal that the empire was even there at all in ANH?
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Neo Rasa posted:I never thought Boba Fett actually worked for Jabba or was part of his organization beyond him being a bounty hunter that gets hired with the others to kill/bring someone in now and then. Doesn't really explain why, 6 months after the end of ESB, he's still hanging around Jabba's palace in ROTJ. He might be a badass lone wolf bounty hunter, but he's probably working on retainer for Jabba for something at this point.
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Aug 12, 2017 17:22
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Neo Rasa posted:
Storm Troopers were in Mos Eisley and nobody cared.
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Aug 12, 2017 17:28
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Doesn't really explain why, 6 months after the end of ESB, he's still hanging around Jabba's palace in ROTJ. He might be a badass lone wolf bounty hunter, but he's probably working on retainer for Jabba for something at this point. Free beer and chicks?
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Aug 12, 2017 18:01
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Inescapable Duck posted:Free beer and chicks? In the special edition this actually is the case.
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Aug 12, 2017 18:11
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Fett probably had special privileges at Jabba's due to bringing back Han and just being a hired goon Jabba would use when intimidating smugglers (also seen in the special edition), Dengar and Bossk are both part of the crowd of aliens so that place was probably a good place to network for bounties. Keep in mind the awesome Zuckuss and 4-LOM were too cool to hang out with a slug.
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Aug 12, 2017 18:55
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Gott dam, the estimates for Friday's box office are out and The Dark Tower has already fallen to fourth place, pushed out of the top three by The Nut Job 2: Nutty By Nature and Annabelle: Creation. It only made $2.3 million, almost as low as Girl's Trip made the same day even though The Dark Tower has only been out a week and Girl's Trip opened 3 weeks ago.
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Aug 12, 2017 18:55
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Isn't Fett already with Jabba in the Special Edition of A New Hope? he might be doing freelance mercenary work in comics and whatnot, but in the movies we only ever see him work for Jabba The Hutt, directly or indirectly.
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Aug 12, 2017 19:10
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Did Boba Fett go around calling all the stormtroopers Dad for a few years?
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Aug 12, 2017 19:59
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Did Boba Fett go around calling all the stormtroopers Dad for a few years? They should make one of the spinoff movies a Boba Fett movie where he has to fight clonetroopers, working title Boba Fett: Oedipus Complex. It wouldn't quite fit because Boba doesn't actually have a mother he could bang.
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Simplex posted:And the rebellion in the original Star Wars includes a diverse cast of non-white characters including... Since James Earl Jones is his dad, Luke is half black. But if you don't count ESB, Luke's mom is
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Grendels Dad posted:They should make one of the spinoff movies a Boba Fett movie where he has to fight clonetroopers, working title Boba Fett: Oedipus Complex. He could get freaky with some lab equipment.
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Aug 12, 2017 21:48
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Ape Agitator posted:Since James Earl Jones is his dad, Luke is half black. But if you don't count ESB, Luke's mom is Damnit, now I want to know if Carrie Fisher was Jewish, so to complete the joke. (Debbie Reynolds was a Nazarene, but I can't tell if she converted when she married Eddie Fisher)
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Aug 12, 2017 21:56
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Ape Agitator posted:Since James Earl Jones is his dad, Luke is half black. But if you don't count ESB, Luke's mom is Funny, she doesn't look Druish.
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Aug 12, 2017 21:56
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Young Freud posted:Damnit, now I want to know if Carrie Fisher was Jewish, so to complete the joke. I thought that post was referring to Luke's mum, who would be Natalie Portman. FreudianSlippers posted:He could get freaky with some lab equipment. Or those long-necked aliens. Aw yeah.
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Grendels Dad posted:I thought that post was referring to Luke's mum, who would be Natalie Portman. He is, but that would still work on so many levels.
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Young Freud posted:He is, but that would still work on so many levels. Oh and now I got the joke too.
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FreudianSlippers posted:He could get freaky with some lab equipment. It's what his daddy did.
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Next friday there are actually maybe a couple good movies coming out: hitman's bodyguard and Logan Lucky
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The Nut Job 2: Nutty By Nature I love the title of this movie.
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Phylodox posted:He's gonna say Chewie and the droids don't count, either because they're played by white actors or because, if we're looking only at A New Hope (which I'm beginning to think is what he means when he says Star Wars), neither Chewie nor the droids are technically members of the Rebellion, but a mercenary and servants, respectively. Yes, my original opinion restated is that in Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope: Original Theatrical Version, George Lucas made a movie in which the Empire are the good guys and the Rebellion are the bad guys. Each successive movie that he made was a clumsy attempt to try to demonstrate that no, the empire are really the bad guys. Maybe the outright best example of this is the infamous Han shot first. In the original Han shoots first, but that also means that Han just outright murdered Greedo, and how is he any different from any other mafia thug? Lucas realized the implications and wanted to soften the edges, not have one of the principal cast members be a cold-blooded killer, so he changed it. Yeah people hate the change, but Han is no longer an outright villain, which I imagine is much closer to what Lucas envisioned.
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because he knew greedo was going to kill or kidnap him.
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I'm curious to know what the Empire is portrayed as doing in ESB and ROTJ that is intended to portray them as evil when Lucas "realized" he had failed to indicate they were evil in Star Wars. Edit: I don't care if it's a troll, I'm having fun imagining a viewer saying "the hero Darth is c making a bargain with this Lando fellow, who seems kind of shifty. I don't know how I feel about this. Ape Agitator fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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Simplex posted:Maybe the outright best example of this is the infamous Han shot first. In the original Han shoots first, but that also means that Han just outright murdered Greedo, and how is he any different from any other mafia thug? I don't think it quite counts as murder to shoot a literal mafia thug that is pointing a gun at you because he wants to kidnap you and bring you to his boss who will most likely have you killed. Even if it is murder its the cool and good sort of murder. One of the first things we see the empire do in the films is blow up an entire planet killing at very least a few hundred million people. I think shooting one dude in self defence doesn't quite compare to wiping out an entire world with your mega WMD.
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His theory is based purely on the fact that the hero wishes to bring about the pasts' glory, and the empire just something that might be better. It hinges on if you think going back is "good". Cause Vader kills his subordinates, which is obvious I am a bad guy move. The heroes display selflessness and loyalty. But at the end of the day, the Emperor is the best space wizard, so the past is still in charge. Femur fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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Simplex posted:Yes, my original opinion restated is that in Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope: Original Theatrical Version, George Lucas made a movie in which the Empire are the good guys and the Rebellion are the bad guys. Each successive movie that he made was a clumsy attempt to try to demonstrate that no, the empire are really the bad guys. Original theatrical release of Star Wars, the Empire murders an entire god damned planet. They flat out kill billions of people to look tough.
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Furthermore Sauron and his horde of rampaging Orcs are actually the true heroes of Lord of the Rings since they represent industrialization and the Industrial Revolution was purely a force of good because it was progress and progress is good. Meanwhile the supposed "heroes" are a bunch of monarchists who believe in the divine right of kings. The Martians are also the good guys in War of the Worlds because they are more technologically advanced than the barbaric subhuman humans and are simply taking up the Green Man's Burden to civilize such savages.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Furthermore Sauron and his horde of rampaging Orcs are actually the true heroes of Lord of the Rings since they represent industrialization and the Industrial Revolution was purely a force of good because it was progress and progress is good. Meanwhile the supposed "heroes" are a bunch of monarchists who believe in the divine right of kings. This but unironically
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FreudianSlippers posted:Furthermore Sauron and his horde of rampaging Orcs are actually the true heroes of Lord of the Rings since they represent industrialization and the Industrial Revolution was purely a force of good because it was progress and progress is good. Meanwhile the supposed "heroes" are a bunch of monarchists who believe in the divine right of kings. A Russian author actually wrote a book about this. Although he goes a little too far in the other direction by making the Elves crazy evil.
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The destruction of Alderaan is important event in the film, but ultimately subservient to the major themes of the movie. Star Wars is fundamentally a movie about the conflict of the old vs. the new. The agricultural vs. the industrial. The rural vs. the urban. Obi-Wan and Vader are both relics of a bygone era. In the old days the two of them would be the most important figures on the battlefield, but war changed. War ceased to be a romantic conflict between a jedi and a handful of blaster equipped soldiers, or a lone pilot against a gaggle of enemy ships. Such as in the real world, how war ceased to be a duel between two knights, a dogfight between two fighters, or a lone privateer displaying guile and audacity to win acclaim and honors. War instead became the construction unfathomable military power. War is now legions of blaster equipped shock troops. War is star destroyers. Confronted with this new reality, Obi-Wan decided to live a life of exile, while Vader betrayed his own kind and joined the new order. There is a tragic irony in his decision as shown early in the movie. In the old days, one can imagine that Vader would never have to tolerate an officer giving him lip. That Vader choking him to death would be a light punishment. But in the new order, Vader holds no rank that any military officer has to respect. He is the Emperor's right hand man which carries power, but in the new order he does have to tolerate the military's barbs. He must follow orders the same as everyone else. Which brings us to the death star. The death star represents the ultimate victory of the new order. It is the new reality of war, the musket, the machine gun, the battleship, the atomic bomb which will end the war in two shots. The destruction of Alderaan is not some unforgivable crime, but the new reality of war. It represents the ultimate culmination of military power. Against such a weapon, even the fabled jedi are utterly helpless. But wait, there's a critical design flaw. A mistake in the construction that is only exploitable by the elite soldiers of the old epoch. Perhaps there is indeed still value in the old ways. There was an article posted earlier about how we are only ever shown the periphery of the Empire, and we don't really have a good idea what makes it tick. It raises some good points, but ultimately we know how it works, a nation is a collection of its people. Quite frankly, the people of the Empire in Star Wars are a bunch of assholes. The problem though, is that the people of the Rebellion are far beyond just being assholes and are instead a collection of abhorrent institutions. Sure, there's probably no real difference between being ruled by a (future) Queen, and being ruled by an emperor, except the movie tells us who the Leia's allies are. The victory of the old way wouldn't just mean a return to our agricultural roots, but is inextricably linked to a return to slavery. The end of the imperial order means more power for the criminal class. The opening crawl of Episode IV tells us the Empire is evil. It has built the ultimate which does not discriminate. It cares not if you are noble, poor, white, droid or alien. It kills all equally regardless of race, creed or class. But the opening crawl presents a false dichotomy. The Rebellion is not offering an end of war, or an end of struggling. Instead they just want a return to the good old days. The time when the right type of people died meaningless deaths.
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But the Emperor is a practitioner of the old arts, and only uses technology because he cannot trust training multiple people who can potentially replace him. So you can't say the empire is built on hard work, you still need a space wizard at the top. Vader undermines the generals, and gets them all killed; and is in command the following movies. Space wizards always rule, its just a matter off how many. The first movie did not do anything but glorify the power of the force.
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Why dont you move to the star wars thread
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The Nut Job 2: Nutty by Nature might not make $10 million this weekend, bad because it's opening in 4000+ theaters and is looking to be the worst opening ever for such a large premiere.
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Whoever greenlit that is probably going... Crazy
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I don't know why they thought it needed that when its not like the first one made a ton of money.
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Simplex posted:The destruction of Alderaan is important event in the film, but ultimately subservient to the major themes of the movie. Star Wars is fundamentally a movie about the conflict of the old vs. the new. The agricultural vs. the industrial. The rural vs. the urban. It's cool that you're telling others to restrict their reading to the first film, while talking about mountains of stuff that isn't in any of the films.
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The reason for Nut Job 2 is that animated movies make bank. They thought since the first one did okay, the second was a trojan horse into Dispicable Me types of money. But they aren't Illumination, they're Laika at best. Laika, except without the money, critical acclaim, and cult following. There is not going to be a Nut Job 3. And it will be glorious.
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Simplex posted:Yes, my original opinion restated is that in Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope: Original Theatrical Version, George Lucas made a movie in which the Empire are the good guys and the Rebellion are the bad guys. Each successive movie that he made was a clumsy attempt to try to demonstrate that no, the empire are really the bad guys. Either way there was a loaded gun literally pointed at him, by us law standards it was justifiably self defense.
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