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I've prided myself in the belief that even though I may not agree with what they're saying, they have the right to say it and I should defend that right because it's a really slippery slope. But I can't defend the rights of Nazis. I can't. And I hate myself that I'm even conflicted about it.
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I mean, poo poo, just leave the 1st alone and make a new law that says, "Because Nazis are agents of a hostile foreign government in exile, we do not afford them the full rights and protections a citizen would receive. If you are out in public holding a Nazi rally, distributing white supremacist literature, or bearing Nazi symbols or regalia openly you get [punishment.]" Pshaw this governing thing is a piece of cake.  For real, though, it can start with something like that, but Nazis are a known criminal quantity that want to bring real, tangible harm and suffering to this world. They are one of an extremely small number of groups and organizations that are a net loss to humanity and to our country. Nazi's in particular are so egrigious (having once conspired to rid the world of Jews, a decidedly unpopular move) that it is practically just moral masturbation on our part to go "oooooh but looooook how we protect even the ~Nazis~!" Motherfucking Germany doesn't even let Nazis do their thing, and I'm completely baffled that I have to explain to people why these monsters are not worth defending, they're not worth having in our country, and if they don't like it, you know what they can do? They can choose to stop being loving Nazis.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:35
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Orange Devil posted:Hey white people of America, maybe it's time to have a loving conversation with your kids about their politics. You know, just a little checkup. Not saying that this isn't warranted but a lot if not most of the times it's the parents who are closer to the Nazis...
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Aug 13, 2017 13:35
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WeAreTheRomans posted:They were ironic? I'm white but I totally support that policy platform Why would you support a platform that includes killing yourself?
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Aug 13, 2017 13:35
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There Bias Two posted:Why would you support a platform that includes killing yourself? Small price to pay really, innit? e: I suppose the slightly more real answer is that "Whitey" is a different concept to "white person" I hope to see some Antifa dudes wearing this at the next protest 
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Aug 13, 2017 13:36
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There Bias Two posted:Why would you support a platform that includes killing yourself? An unfortunate but necessary price.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:37
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Randbrick posted:Yeah I'm not a high school kid, nor am I running down my first semester of anything at this point in life. There is a greater state interest in dismantling leftist coalitions than any others, and a greater state interest in dismantling minority coalitions than any others. A decision against political speech with implied violence immediately and obviously would have eliminated the right to assemble for groups like the BPP or NOI, probably anyone loosely affiliated with them, and could easily be a stepping stone to banning anarchist, communist, or socialist groups. It isn't about "translating to positive outcomes," it's about preventing speech from descending into the shitter.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:38
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Small price to pay really, innit? Not really, no, considering that it would kill plenty of other people doing their best to not perpetuate systemic issues as well.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:38
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There Bias Two posted:Not really, no, considering that it would kill plenty of other people doing their best to not perpetuate systemic issues as well. 
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Aug 13, 2017 13:39
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Seriously there isn't much difference between "I am going to shoot/blow up some minorities for the master race" and "We need to genocide all minorities for the master race" both are threats to people's existence and I'm not sure why Nazis get a pass on the second one with "Well it's their free speech!" when the first one would land you in jail and possible a hate crime charge on top
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Aug 13, 2017 13:39
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Small price to pay really, innit? I'd love to see the right lose their poo poo over a Simpsons reference.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:40
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You really validated your point there. Good job.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:40
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Dr. VooDoo posted:I'm not sure why Nazis get a pass on the second one with "Well it's their free speech!" when the first one would land you in jail and possible a hate crime charge on top Some of those that are in forces/ Are the same that burn crosses UH There Bias Two posted:You really validated your point there. Good job. 
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Aug 13, 2017 13:40
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Small price to pay really, innit? I really don't think we need to send the Antifa a message of "Aim low. Aim so low, no-one will even care if you succeed."
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Aug 13, 2017 13:42
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Your Taint posted:And I hate myself that I'm even conflicted about it. don't be. 
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Aug 13, 2017 13:42
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Some of those that are in forces/ Are the same that burn crosses "Let me mock you for calling me out when I'm saying stupid racist poo poo, that'll show you!"
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Aug 13, 2017 13:43
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Seriously there isn't much difference between "I am going to shoot/blow up some minorities for the master race" and "We need to genocide all minorities for the master race" both are threats to people's existence and I'm not sure why Nazis get a pass on the second one with "Well it's their free speech!" when the first one would land you in jail and possible a hate crime charge on top You can make the law so specific it only affects Nazis too and you don't even have to name them. New law: no more 1st amendment for you IF -- 1) The stuff you do/say/have is the same as another group that existed in modern human history AND 2) that group has committed genocide or conspired to commit genocide. Problem solved, everyone else safe, no slippery slope. Vote for me, 2020.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:43
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Red Baron posted:You can make the law so specific it only affects Nazis too and you don't even have to name them. No more 1st amendment for communists.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:45
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There Bias Two posted:"Let me mock you for calling me out when I'm saying stupid racist poo poo, that'll show you!" I've run out of goonsays since you apparently have no self-awareness
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Aug 13, 2017 13:45
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There Bias Two posted:"Let me mock you for calling me out when I'm saying stupid racist poo poo, that'll show you!" good lord your posts are so bad actually
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Aug 13, 2017 13:46
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Koalas March posted:I'm black, poor and I read books. I probably have a few ironic "kill whiteys" in my post history too. They ain't protecting me. Also I feel there should be anonymous mods to gut GBS's glut of unironic(or ironic, since they're never funny anyways) racists, homophobes and fascists, so they can clean things up without fear of doxxing. Much as I like the openness of the leper colony, it does allow people to paint mods as targets. There's people like oxballs who get probated and banned dozens of times for racism and still come back and continue doing the same exact thing, it surprises me that permabans aren't used more often for people like that, who clearly don't give a poo poo about dropping 10-30 bucks reregging to continue spewing hate.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:I've run out of goonsays since you apparently have no self-awareness Stop, I can't possibly roll my eyes any harder at you.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:47
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my greatest wish is for the confederate garbage carved into the side of that mountain to be dynamited while a bunch of mouthbreathing chuds sob uncontrollably.
Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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Aug 13, 2017 13:49
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Same, bro, same...
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Aug 13, 2017 13:49
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Paracaidas posted:It's possible that I've completely misread you. Your unwillingness to engage with the actual information put in front of you (say, ACLU's principles), and consistent dodging make me skeptical. you certainly have. did you know i was conflicted earlier yesterday wrt to the ACLU's part in this? it was after looking up their stances and realizing that they believe in certain restrictions (which should've allowed for them to pass on the nazi case) and the fact they aren't everywhere at once and have not aided in certain 1a cases that were definitely more important than this that i came to the conclusion they royally hosed up yesterday. quote:... because it explicitly does not, based on decades of cases? If you're going to linebyline me, at least bother to read the posts. Your bullet reply is also covered in the post you quote-if other student orgs (including athletic programs) aren't required to foot the bill for their security ("category"), courts are likely to see that demand as an attempt to deny a protected right. Mechanically, I still think that abortion&admitting privileges is the best analog. the response from the dean or whoever put out the response of that university claims anyone can rent space as long as they pay security and a few other things. i'm just saying that the security bill needs to be way higher for the nazis because they pose an unbelievable risk that football games and p much any other event does. Lightning Knight posted:Thank Christ at least one person at ACLU realized that "having a reputation for defending Nazis" isn't good for the organization.  like i might understand if it was the original KKK case, where they were undoing precedent that was used to send a leftist to jail for having distributed leftist material (but certainly wasn't violent). that wasn't the case yesterday though. also, isn't it funny how the supreme court saw fit to punish people for speech when a leftist was doing it, and then when that same precedent hit a KKK leader, that's when they decided it was time to reverse that precedent? schenk v USA posted:Charles Schenck and Elizabeth Baer were members of the Executive Committee of the Socialist Party in Philadelphia, of which Schenck was General Secretary. The executive committee authorized, and Schenck oversaw, printing and mailing more than 15,000 fliers to men slated for conscription during World War I. The fliers urged men not to submit to the draft, saying "Do not submit to intimidation", "Assert your rights", "If you do not assert and support your rights, you are helping to deny or disparage rights which it is the solemn duty of all citizens and residents of the United States to retain," and urged men not to comply with the draft on the grounds that military conscription constituted involuntary servitude, which is prohibited by the Thirteenth Amendment.[3] vs Brandenburg v Ohio posted:Clarence Brandenburg, a Ku Klux Klan (KKK) leader in rural Ohio, contacted a reporter at a Cincinnati television station and invited him to cover a KKK rally that would take place in Hamilton County in the summer of 1964.[7] Portions of the rally were filmed, showing several men in robes and hoods, some carrying firearms, first burning a cross and then making speeches. One of the speeches made reference to the possibility of "revengeance" against "niggers", "Jews", and those who supported them. One of the speeches also claimed that "our President, our Congress, our Supreme Court, continues to suppress the white, Caucasian race", and announced plans for a march on Washington to take place on the Fourth of July. Brandenburg was charged with advocating violence under Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute for his participation in the rally and for the speech he made. In relevant part, the statute – enacted in 1919 during the First Red Scare – proscribed "advocat[ing]...the duty, necessity, or propriety of crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform" and "voluntarily assembl[ing] with any society, group or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism". Condiv fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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Aug 13, 2017 13:50
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Groovelord Neato posted:my greatest wish is for the confederate garbage carved into the side of that mountain to be dynamited while a bunch of mouthbreathing chuds sob controllably. It'd take a shitload of dynamite as that thing is both huge and made of granite.
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Groovelord Neato posted:don't be. Seriously. The next time you feel conflicted about Nazis google 'holocaust' images. The next time you feel conflicted about racists in america and the KKK google lynchings. If you find yourself being conflicted about hate speech and bathroom bills google crime scene photos of any number of victims of senseless violence.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:50
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Captain Invictus posted:It'd take a shitload of dynamite as that thing is both huge and made of granite. RPG Family Fun Day.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:51
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botany posted:good lord your posts are so bad actually I'm glad you think so.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:51
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https://twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/896714418490355714
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Red Baron posted:You can make the law so specific it only affects Nazis too and you don't even have to name them. Kay. Republicans say that gay people/BLM/workers wanting better wages/any other leftist group are the REAL nazis. You see the problem yet?
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Aug 13, 2017 13:51
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How many people did they run over?
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Aug 13, 2017 13:52
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:No more 1st amendment for communists. Or anyone else, really. Simplistic laws, the sure sign of totally not dictatorships.
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Captain Invictus posted:It'd take a shitload of dynamite as that thing is both huge and made of granite. It would take less dynamite it ruin it than it did to make it
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Groovelord Neato posted:my greatest wish is for the confederate garbage carved into the side of that mountain to be dynamited while a bunch of mouthbreathing chuds sob controllably. If i had the money I would buy the land right behind that stupid rock and erect a massive statue of Sherman that would be lit up so bright each night they put on one of those laser shows it could be seen from space while blaring Union battle hymns
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Aug 13, 2017 13:53
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:No more 1st amendment for communists. You got me, my napkin math law isn't perfect yet. MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC TO NAZIS THEN! That's the beauty of this approach, you just keep on refining it until it's obsidian-edged. That said, who the gently caress cares? When was the last time a communist gathering turned into the shitshow we had yesterday? I'm not even sure when (or if) I've ever seen communists gather anywhere for purposes of a rally. I guess we'll have to cancel Marxist Mondays? Before I write this next part: it should absolutely be more specific than what I wrote in ten seconds. Americans hate communism with a fiery passion so who the gently caress cares if no one can hold a communist rally? Communism is an academic idea at this point, not a political system we'll ever have.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:53
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Sounds like Bannon alright
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Aug 13, 2017 13:55
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Fulchrum posted:Kay. No, because they don't meet the criteria, and just insisting that gay people or BLM are like Nazis does not suddenly make it so. They don't behave the same and so the law would not catch them. e. I would love to see the GOP try to find a genocide done in the name of any of those. They'd probably pick the French Revolution for workers.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:If i had the money I would buy the land right behind that stupid rock and erect a massive statue of Sherman that would be lit up so bright each night they put on one of those laser shows it could be seen from space while blaring Union battle hymns lol that'd own immensely.
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