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yronic heroism posted:Good lord you are ignorant comparing the 1917 Supreme Court to the 60s-70s court. As if nothing changed in their view of civil rights in 50 yrs. something certainly did change when it came time to put a klanner behind bars instead of leftists
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I'd like everyone to realize that the person I was when I didn't know people were watching is not the person I am.
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Red Oktober posted:Nice try mate, but you've 'accidently' slipped a nice reference to the 14 words in here. 'We all deserve a future for our children and for our culture.' Yeah, I'm wondering how 'accidental' that was myself. Punch Nazis. just punch them.
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A not so-so-wise man once said: "There is no difference between advocating genocide and criticizing people".
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Boris Galerkin posted:The alt right talking point right now is that 1) which drat near every alt-right and nazi website has memes of and has fantasized over for years 2) Most to all seems to really thin those lone wolves out all right 3) At what point does free speech mean inciting violence and murder? Listen, nazis, if you're going to play this poo poo, own it. You want to play the new Gestapo, then own the loving name and stop hiding behind "free speech" as an excuse. Or maybe take a second to think about why you're ashamed of being labeled a nazi and stop being one
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QuoProQuid posted:in the distance, the sound of his resume being shredded Good news this popped up on my FB this morning.  Hopefully all their positions will be filled with women or underrepresented candidates for that double whammy. Edit: And there are several several more of them.
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Inescapable Duck posted:That's what I'm saying, and that laws are nothing without the will to enforce them. Plenty of dictatorships and terrible societies have just and reasonable laws that no one, including the government, even acknowledges. My favorite example: Russia had a man arrested for holding a placard with a quote... from the Russian Constitution about people's rights to freedom of speech and assembly (not sure exactly which)
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Harton posted:Who gives a gently caress, we should send a team up to the top and drill holes and stick so much dynamite in them that the whole thing slides off like the top of a cupcake in a hot car. Then take all the granite that falls and make countertops for all the low income black households in the surrounding area for having to put up with that poo poo this whole time. Just tell the US Army that that rock is their new artillery range
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OxySnake posted:Good news this popped up on my FB this morning. I love this. They can't even claim it's threatening or doxxing since all they show is the face and circumstances. Oh it's not illegal to be a nazi huh? Well it's not illegal to take pictures of your nazi-boner, fuckface.
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I'm on vacation right now and posting on a phone, but Germany does have effective means to prevent the existence of undemocratic groups - the key though is that their Supreme Court equivalent makes a judgement, and the group must be abusing basic rights to undermine the democratic system itself, not just express abhorrent opinions. These laws are termed "military democracy" and are the result of a legal scholar named Karl Loewenstein who worked in the 1930s and 1940s and was trying to understand how the Weimar government effectively committed suicide by empowering groups whose purpose was the destruction of the state. All that being said, the comparison to today is so what specious as the American white nationalist groups are laughably unorganized compared to Nation Socialists and don't have allies in every level of government (Trump tweets notwithstanding)
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I'll post more but it's a fascinating question: to what extent is a democracy responsible for extending basic rights to internal dissidents?
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Non-social animal behaviour very easily disproves this. Shat out a facile criticism without listening to the series. The episode about Legut are the ones you want: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...2FzXYcozVD6_Gag The brain science on this is changing.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:what specious as the American white nationalist groups are laughably unorganized compared to Nation Socialists and don't have allies in every level of government (Trump tweets notwithstanding) I mean, the president openly supports them, that is pretty organized. "Haw haw trump is a silly billy, ignore him" works until it doesn't
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Harton posted:Who gives a gently caress, we should send a team up to the top and drill holes and stick so much dynamite in them that the whole thing slides off like the top of a cupcake in a hot car. Then take all the granite that falls and make countertops for all the low income black households in the surrounding area for having to put up with that poo poo this whole time. Turned out that instead of bootstraps those low-income families just needed granite countertops
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"I just held a hateful march to say that White European Culture has a place in this world - above everything else! I hope you all realize that white nationalists aren't all hateful creatures and not ruin my life over being part of a march that ended three lives a few days ago!"
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It's not the same though. There's a reason that Hitler barely served any time for the Beer Hall Putsch - a very large part of the Weimar government, including the legal system, were actively rooting for the return to a monarchy/conservative autocracy
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Red Baron posted:I mean, poo poo, just leave the 1st alone and make a new law that says, "Because Nazis are agents of a hostile foreign government in exile, we do not afford them the full rights and protections a citizen would receive. Sadly the US constitution doesn't give citizens rights. It just imposes restrictions on the US government itself. It's sort of interesting if you go back and read it that the wording is all about what the government can't do. The only time it mentions rights is in the form of "because A is a fundamental right then the government can't do B" It's why it applies to everyone and not just US citizens.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:I'll post more but it's a fascinating question: to what extent is a democracy responsible for extending basic rights to internal dissidents? Only as far as those internal dissidents aren't aiming to undermine that same democracy and those basic rights. If you use democracy to attack and undermine democracy, you've opted out of the system and are no longer supported by it (the difficulty and complexity of enforcing this is another matter).
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#GoodNightColeWhite fuckin lmao
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I mean they were stupid for showing their faces, but he was extra stupid to cosplay as a minor character from the third act of Pleasantville.
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Condiv posted:something certainly did change when it came time to put a klanner behind bars instead of leftists Yep, since the Supreme Court was clearly the same 9 guys over the course of sixty years you've uncovered a sinister centrist conspiracy. And they are would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling goons.
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 Seriously these loving nuggets ... go to a public rally designed to attract publicity, and then be surprised when you get what you wanted
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:All that being said, the comparison to today is so what specious as the American white nationalist groups are laughably unorganized compared to Nation Socialists and don't have allies in every level of government (Trump tweets notwithstanding) The Nazis (as in the actual National Socialist Party) weren't much of a unified movement in the beginning either. But there were other movements in the general right-wing area, so ultimately they could all join forces and become unified because they weren't challenged enough at a time while they were still weak and unorganized. (It probably didn't help that the far-left back in Weimar was extremely happy to sabotage the Weimar republic as well and considered the SPD a more important fascist target than the nazis.)
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Condiv posted:only if you're white Not necessarily, otherwise John Brown wouldn't have been executed. You don't get consequences if you serve white supremacy in a Republican government.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Only as far as those internal dissidents aren't aiming to undermine that same democracy and those basic rights. If you use democracy to attack and undermine democracy, you've opted out of the system and are no longer supported by it (the difficulty and complexity of enforcing this is another matter). The German model. For many years many legal scholars have argued that similar laws were not needed in the US because of our extremely thorough tradition of democracy - but I wonder. Regardless, I don't know if the current white nationalist group would meet the above definition. The success of the Nazi Party much more hinged on abuse of the elective and legislative process, not public protest.
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OxySnake posted:Good news this popped up on my FB this morning. The name of the city is Charlottesville but I guess perfect is the enemy of the good.
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Randler posted:The Nazis (as in the actual National Socialist Party) weren't much of a unified movement in the beginning either. But there were other movements in the general right-wing area, so ultimately they could all join forces and become unified because they weren't challenged enough at a time while they were still weak and unorganized. (It probably didn't help that the far-left back in Weimar was extremely happy to sabotage the Weimar republic as well and considered the SPD a more important fascist target than the nazis.) For my posts you can read Nazi Party as "hodgepodge of Volkisch conservative militarized conservative groups" Also you're right that that the left actually also posed a threat - something we don't see today in th US
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If the ChartGroovelord Neato posted:the white nationalist party controls the government. Dylan Roof didn't get a six month sentence. It's not the same. Yes Trump has white nationalist sympathies, and so do some of the Republicans but most of them still want to live in a democracy
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Lmao get fukken owned. Dude traveled all the way from California to va just to participate in a white power rally? Jeez.
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Nazi's ruin everything. I was supposed to work from like, 9-3 today, now I'll be working like 2-10 because I have to cover a vigil tonight for the girl that died in Charlottesville. I had plans. God dammit nazis.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:If the Chart A democracy where they purge voter rolls of people who don't worship their specific ideals, a world where its alright if people die if the people committing the act are all white. A democracy in name only.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Nazi's ruin everything. I was supposed to work from like, 9-3 today, now I'll be working like 2-10 because I have to cover a vigil tonight for the girl that died in Charlottesville. I had plans. God dammit nazis. Is this in C'Ville proper? I haven't noticed anyone organising anything specific yet but I'm pretty out of the loop.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:If the Chart reminder that half of all republicans would support delaying the elections if der fuerher proposed it and that's without him actually campaigning for it at all
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