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I'm probated most of the time if I post in D&D more than twice a week. I get probated for posting racist messages against (for fucks sake who thinks this is REAL RACISM and takes OFFENSE?!) and correcting news stories and just well, posting, so ur safe. Unfortunately I can't talk with the mods because they removed my private message button so I can't ask them why "poor latvia" jokes are offence hitlerstalin things which make brains hurt, or of the other offenses I have committed, or why it's ok to wish for my death, and thus forth. Ligur fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Thank you that is much more readable.
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Aug 11, 2017 23:31
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doverhog posted:I just meant, that your posting on this page for example, was unreadable. Not offensive, but rather so badly written I did not read it. I'm not a mod so don't worry about that. Yeah I had some issues with the format trying to edit it, which made the post even more of a mess than my usual uhhh... mess. Use this and the few above instead if you have some thoughts about something. It won't take long for my next probation for some vague whatever and I can't reply for a week after that.
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Aug 11, 2017 23:32
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natsi mode ajo jahti 
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Aug 11, 2017 23:38
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On se rankkaa olla Ligur
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Aug 12, 2017 00:39
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Rukoilen puolestasi, ettet koskaan muutu liguriksi.
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Aug 12, 2017 14:40
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Oletko "tullut uskoon" oleskeluluvan toivossa?
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Aug 12, 2017 15:05
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Pretty solid rumours that Timo Nakkimuki Hillotolppa Soini is transitioning to a 25k/€ month job with EU Development Bank if not sooner than later.
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Aug 12, 2017 16:12
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I wonder what he will develop into there.
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Aug 12, 2017 18:00
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https://twitter.com/raunolaroni/status/896415593901043716 Been waiting for this storm all summer.
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Aug 12, 2017 19:47
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Enjoy your discounted chips, goons.
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Aug 13, 2017 13:56
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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9767839 370,000?!  This explains a LOT about the last few years.
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Aug 13, 2017 15:30
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http://www.hs.fi/sunnuntai/art-2000005322114.html Question: Why is this over 40 year old man dressing and acting like a 15-year-old edgy teenager? Answer: Because he is an libertarian, of course.
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Aug 13, 2017 17:54
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Fated To Be Fat posted:http://www.hs.fi/sunnuntai/art-2000005322114.html He could also be a hipster. I bet he owns a microbrewery.
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Aug 13, 2017 18:09
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DarkCrawler posted:https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9767839
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Aug 13, 2017 18:36
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Fated To Be Fat posted:http://www.hs.fi/sunnuntai/art-2000005322114.html It's ajatuspaja because they forge ideas.
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Aug 13, 2017 20:09
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Rexroom posted:He could also be a hipster. I bet he owns a microbrewery. Yeah and brews sour ales.
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Fated To Be Fat posted:http://www.hs.fi/sunnuntai/art-2000005322114.html If only goons were as careful with definitions when the word is "libertarian" or "fascist" (which apparently describe everybody to the right of Stalin) as they are when it's "socialist"
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Aug 13, 2017 20:54
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Say what you will about national socialism, but at least it's an ethos. Libertarians are just idiots.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:12
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Hey GP, I can't help noticing you always rush to Heikki Pursiainen's aid when he's being mocked here, are you in fact him IRL?
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Herman Merman posted:Hey GP, I can't help noticing you always rush to Heikki Pursiainen's aid when he's being mocked here, are you in fact him IRL? No, I can't be bothered to pay nearly as much attention to politics as he has but his opinions generally make a lot of sense. It's good to have someone who is policy-oriented* but has an economics training active in public discourse. I wasn't really aware before reading Asiaton and then his stuff with Libera just how much the Finnish government spends shuffling money around between different middle class groups (all of whom claim that they're poor or that money given to them helps the poor). * most people who have a training in economics can't be bothered to do this because in general their voices get drowned out by retards like Arhinmäki** ** reminder that Arhinmäki didn't think that him living in a government house and paying 50% of the prevailing market rent was a subsidy
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Rappaport posted:Say what you will about national socialism, but at least it's an ethos. Libertarians are just idiots. This is actually an interesting observation (even it's a Big Lebowski joke). A nazi society is perfectly viable because it is more or less based on a coherent ideology. The outcome isn't good, but it's possible to have a functioning fascist state. Libertarian states are impossible because they're based on the singularly bizarre idea that only the state can use power wrong.
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Kemper Boyd posted:A nazi society is perfectly viable because it is more or less based on a coherent ideology. The outcome isn't good, but it's possible to have a functioning fascist state. Seriouspost: It's been done a fair number of times. A lot of states are fascist right now, in fact. e: I mean I'm being captain obvious here but just wanted to point out it's not just possible.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Libertarian states are impossible because they're based on the singularly bizarre idea that only the state can use power wrong. Also because they assume that people are "rational actors" an idea that can be disproven by picking a random person off the street and talking with them for five minutes. Dude in the link is less of a libertarian and more of a really really naive free-market capitalist/some-troll though.
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He does point out correctly that the current leftist politics in Finland is way behind the curve, with SDP mainly protecting their achievements. It's a bit unclear what the leftist agenda is nowadays, other than not loving over the poor.
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Rexroom posted:He does point out correctly that the current leftist politics in Finland is way behind the curve, with SDP mainly protecting their achievements. It's a bit unclear what the leftist agenda is nowadays, other than not loving over the poor. Well yeah, Third Way is poo poo, he's right about that.
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Aug 14, 2017 11:27
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DarkCrawler posted:Well yeah, Third Way is poo poo, he's right about that. I have no idea what you're talking about, says the sosialidemokraatti 
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Aug 14, 2017 11:44
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Rappaport posted:I have no idea what you're talking about, says the sosialidemokraatti Yet he's completely right. A bunch of leftists are getting up in arms about one group of rich people (shareholders) paying another group (executives) "too much" while it has basically no actual effect on the economy. In a sense you are right that there doesn't seem to be much room for common sense and non-retarded politicians on the left and instead he should have written a column whining about how unfair it is. Because that kind of populism is what gets you elected on a leftist platform these days, not concrete suggestions that make the lives of the poor better off.
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Rappaport posted:I have no idea what you're talking about, says the sosialidemokraatti It's hilarious because famous communist Hjallis Harkimo said that Finnish CEO's are crap who don't deserve shitloads of money. There's even serious academic studies of that the major problem of the Finnish private sector is poor leadership so uh yeah maybe we could cut their wages to nothing, replace their entire social class and lose nothing of value.
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quote:Vähäisetkin yleissitovat palkkojen korotukset aiheuttavat kansantaloudellisia seuraamuksia. Pörssiyhtiöiden johtajien miljoonat ovat sen rinnalla vain psykologinen mutta sitä tietä poliittinen ongelma. The guy might be half right, but is also inadvertently advocating for communism. Literally saying that under market economics doing good things is extremely risky compared to fattening a few guys at the top, and that liberal democratic politics encourages solutions that buy short-term support but don't solve any fundamental problems. The other half, of course, is that leftist politics is not actually impossible, and actual knowledge allows one to design leftist policies that in fact don't crash the economy.
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Kemper Boyd posted:It's hilarious because famous communist Hjallis Harkimo said that Finnish CEO's are crap who don't deserve shitloads of money. My hobby horse is making it easier and cheaper to inherit farms and companies. There is absolutely no correlation between being born to a successful entrepreneur and being a successful entrepreneur yourself. Surely the true capitalist solution is to discourage inheriting companies and farms and have the market decide who's the best suitable successor. Of course it's just a nice-sounding excuse to give massive tax breaks to farm owners and wealthy families, who are key constituencies. Kokoomus is not pro-markets. It's pro-existing businesses. Edit: Lasse Lehtinen is why SDP is in the toilet, crystallized into one person.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Yet he's completely right. A bunch of leftists are getting up in arms about one group of rich people (shareholders) paying another group (executives) "too much" while it has basically no actual effect on the economy. In a sense you are right that there doesn't seem to be much room for common sense and non-retarded politicians on the left and instead he should have written a column whining about how unfair it is. Because that kind of populism is what gets you elected on a leftist platform these days, not concrete suggestions that make the lives of the poor better off. Yeah, that's why I advocate for massive taxation on what those people receive as well as the source of where it comes from instead of whining about what they get paid in the first place. Okay, they get paid less, that money still stays in the pockets of some other rich dude?  You want to get into that tax haven bullshit money that in no way correlates the actual level of labor these people engage in, not trying to curtail one of the only open ways we can still see it flowing.
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Rexroom posted:He does point out correctly that the current leftist politics in Finland is way behind the curve, with SDP mainly protecting their achievements. It's a bit unclear what the leftist agenda is nowadays, other than not loving over the poor. Rolling back globalization could be one.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Rolling back globalization could be one. From Finland? Isn't that's like trying to roll back the Moon?
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Aug 14, 2017 12:41
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Rolling back globalization is a dumb idea in the sense that most countries, including Finland, benefit considerably from globalization. The problem is just that so few of those sweet globalization bux end up in the hands of the victims of globalization. Basically rolling back globalization is a mentally lazy way of returning more power to unions to hopefully get leftist politics again, when a party the size of SDP, if they had any courage, could just kickstart a mass movement to fight for leftist policies right now. It'd be a far easier goal to achieve too than rolling back globalization. Too bad they're too busy supporting policies to make life harder for the unemployed because Basic Economics says that's the way to save the victims of globalization from unemployment.
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DarkCrawler posted:Yeah, that's why I advocate for massive taxation on what those people receive as well as the source of where it comes from instead of whining about what they get paid in the first place. Okay, they get paid less, that money still stays in the pockets of some other rich dude? The CEOs of Finnair and Neste were taxed at about 50% of their labor income, not to mention the capital gains etc. taxes that they will incur on top of that 50% in the future. But your "massive taxation" also correlates negatively with effort and positively with tax evasion, which is kind of a problem.. It does say something about leftist politics these days that most of the responses here have been much more focused on what happens at the top of the income distribution than at the bottom. It's not just the middle-class students here, but it's also politicians. Li Andersson's twitter recently: https://twitter.com/liandersson - Complain that the minister of finance said that taxes are too high - Complain about a temporary tax increase for the rich ending (partly) - Asylum seekers - Nurses (who, despite every political party trying to claim otherwise, aren't poor) get paid too little - Executive pay - Vacation pay cuts for public sector workers (nurses mentioned), once again, a very solidly middle class group - Climate change The Finnish left doesn't work for the poor, it works for its own voters and a few groups like asylum seekers (mainly because the Kallio middle classes love them). Otherwise it's just populism and complaining about the rich.
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Let's do Arhis as well: https://twitter.com/paavoarhinmaki - shitloads of sports - contentless rant against yhtiöittäminen - end of solidarity tax for some high earners - fight against the closing of a bar - sports - "Nazis" - executive pay - complaining about a law against female genital mutilation (and ask why there isn't a law against circumcision) The modern left.
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Asking for a full essay discussion of issues on twitter is kinda deluding oneself. Blame the medium, not the writer. Li and Paavo have their own blogs where they express their arguments in more specific terms.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:The CEOs of Finnair and Neste were taxed at about 50% of their labor income, not to mention the capital gains etc. taxes that they will incur on top of that 50% in the future. Cool, that's way not enough taxes. Tax them more. They're not doing nearly enough labor, effort, thinking or anything else for all that money nor are they really that much worth to the company or the world at large anyway. Also unlike globalization tax evasion IS a problem that Finland can do something about, through national legislation and European Union co-operation. So tax them more and fight tax evasion more. Not that we'll see this government doing much of either. Geriatric Pirate posted:It does say something about leftist politics these days that most of the responses here have been much more focused on what happens at the top of the income distribution than at the bottom. It's not just the middle-class students here, but it's also politicians. Li Andersson's twitter recently: Yeah instead of looking at the twitter feed of the main public face of the party (literally the worst way to seek information about a political party, ever) you could actually look at the proposals made by the party and responses to the things instituted by our cluster-gently caress government. Also no politician, including the left, is able to appear in front of a camera without mentioning one or more of the following: homeless, the mentally ill, single-parent families, poor retirees on kansaneläke etc. etc. so really saying that any of them don't talk about their issues enough is ludicrous. You can look at their actual record over the past few years and while LA aren't exactly spotless they don't have poo poo on Kokoomus, or Kepu, or even SDP if you want to go far back enough when it comes to ramming poor in the rear end in both rhetoric and principle. And seriously climate change hurts the poor THE most, "ja koskee tietty paljon laajempaa joukkoa kuin vain sairaanhoitajia" means other then nurses as well, asylum seekers are poor, the taxes are too high is related to discussing about the taxes of those with high incomes, etc. etc. so maybe you should work on your summarizing a bit. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:But your "massive taxation" also correlates negatively with effort and positively with tax evasion, which is kind of a problem.. What loving effort?! Are you saying that nowadays when the CEOs get like 400 times the wage of an employee, compared to when they got around 40 times as much as an employee 30 years ago*, they're now putting over 10 times as much effort into their loving jobs than they did in the 80s? Seriously? *) This is of course in the US, in Finland the difference is not as extreme but it's still there and their wages have gone up way more than employees' salaries
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