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Pembroke Fuse posted:I'm all for doxxing in the form of identifying the marchers, spreading their image around social networks and sending a polite letter to their employers. If we're told that in a Capitalist society, consumers have the power to advance social policy only through their purchasing power, then this seems like the only way to go. Doesn't that just legitimize the tactic of the alt-right to doxx Antifa and BLM marchers? I mean, I guess a society where "when everyone is doxxed, no one will be doxxed" is one way to deal with the issue.
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Pellisworth posted:where will Trump get his next wife, then? Meet Hope Hicks: 
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Neo_Crimson posted:How did they get away with anything? The guy who drove the car is getting charged with murder, Richard Spencer got arrested, and people are rightfully calling them Nazis all over the place. the president is openly supporting them and normalizing them
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Neo_Crimson posted:How did they get away with anything? The guy who drove the car is getting charged with murder, Richard Spencer got arrested, and people are rightfully calling them Nazis all over the place. covok is a huge quivering moron, that's how evilweasel posted:the president is openly supporting them and normalizing them luckily the president is also widely unpopular
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Covok posted:So, if we're going to be honest, they won yesterday, didn't they? They got carte blanc from the presidency, they got to kill someone and get away with it, they already control the narrative, everyone now fully believes the left was bad and worse than Nazis, and they're going to do it again and have full endorsement by the university to do it again in Florida? No, I'm pretty sure that none of these things are true and the biggest political takeaway from yesterday is that Trump hosed up an easy opportunity to make himself look good. Trump's base isn't people who literally and openly identify as nazis or white supremacists because that is a vanishingly small group. The reason the alt-right needs to bus people in from other states for their rallies is because there aren't actually very many of them. It's pretty likely that someone is whispering in Trump's ear that he needs to give a poo poo about what these assholes think, but he doesn't. Failing to condemn white supremacists is a loss for Trump from every angle. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Doesn't that just legitimize the tactic of the alt-right to doxx Antifa and BLM marchers? the threat with doxxing nazis is that their hatred will be exposed to social scorn the threat they make doxxing antifa and blm marchers is that one of them will violently attack those marchers that's what the difference is
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's cool that I am the biggest anti-trump person ever but if you had told me 6 months ago that 200 days into trump's presidency that a story about us drawing close to a nuclear war would get put on the back burner by a story about nazis literally killing people in the street I'd have said that was over dramatic. I'm going to be honest, but I think I called that. Neo_Crimson posted:How did they get away with anything? The guy who drove the car is getting charged with murder, Richard Spencer got arrested, and people are rightfully calling them Nazis all over the place. While one conservative I know in real life was willing to condemn all this, all the rest just fall into the both sides narrative that Trump gave them. It's all over right Twitter, Facebook and other social media. It's becoming the most common online narrative among voters and individuals. Reporters and say whatever they want, but if that control the narrative it doesn't matter. I've already seen one person that I know take it to the next step and start blaming the counter-protesters. It's only a matter of time before they're the only one the right blames. Covok fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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evilweasel posted:the president is openly supporting them and normalizing them A president with a 32% approval rating right now?
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Paradoxish posted:It's pretty likely that someone is whispering in Trump's ear that he needs to give a poo poo about what these assholes think its bannon
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Neo_Crimson posted:A president with a 32% approval rating right now? 32% is a lot higher approval than nazis had before because republicans are abhorrent garbage, but strongly tribal abhorrent garbage, his support boosts the support of open nazis
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Covok posted:I'm going to be honest, but I think I called that. Like I think we all said it, but I'm not sure we really thought it'd be so soon or so literally actually nazis killing people in the street or an actual nuclear war right away.
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Why do people keep saying "Fights broke out" or "violence errupted" thats not the truth "Nazi's assaulted black people" or "racists assaulted peace protesters " is
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Covok posted:
By "only a matter of time" you mean it'd be months ago, right? https://www.google.com/search?q=all+lives+splatter&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcxZHV4dTVAhXowVQKHQJJBJAQ_AUICygC&biw=1920&bih=950
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's cool that I am the biggest anti-trump person ever but if you had told me 6 months ago that 200 days into trump's presidency that a story about us drawing close to a nuclear war would get put on the back burner by a story about nazis literally killing people in the street I'd have said that was over dramatic. Once he actually won, I think I would have believed anything. After that video of the rally where those little girls sang some kind of fascist anthem to the tune of "Over There," I understood that any world in which Trump was the President was some kind of bizarre comic book world. If tomorrow, he said "Destruction will rain from the heavens on Kim Jong... which one is it now? Il? Un? Destruction will rain on him. He's very bad, for many years now," while draped in the confederate flag, I'd just say "Well, I didn't see it coming, but I' not surprised."
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I'm all for doxxing in the form of identifying the marchers, spreading their image around social networks and sending a polite letter to their employers. If we're told that in a Capitalist society, consumers have the power to advance social policy only through their purchasing power, then this seems like the only way to go. My only problem with this is that an innocent person who just looks like or has the same name as the nazi gets doxxed and harassed. "I keep telling you guys you have the wrong Kirk Johnson, please look closely at my photo and see for yourself"
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:My only problem with this is that an innocent person who just looks like or has the same name as the nazi gets doxxed and harassed. You mean exactly what they did yesterday? https://twitter.com/MsGordo/status/896488738116714496
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Bicyclops posted:Once he actually won, I think I would have believed anything. After that video of the rally where those little girls sang some kind of fascist anthem to the tune of "Over There," I understood that any world in which Trump was the President was some kind of bizarre comic book world. If tomorrow, he said "Destruction will rain from the heavens on Kim Jong... which one is it now? Il? Un? Destruction will rain on him. He's very bad, for many years now," while draped in the confederate flag, I'd just say "Well, I didn't see it coming, but I' not surprised." "I didn't see it coming, but I'm not surprised" accurately describes just about everything I've felt since the day after the election honestly.
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There Bias Two posted:When the sides are "Nazis' and "Not Nazis', not taking a side is a really loving bad thing. Arghhhhhh. It's David Clarke. He was rooting for the Nazis.
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coyo7e posted:The next time you think about hate speech and bathroom bills, visit a public restroom and check out the swastikas and hate slogans in every stall. When I was a youth we only had the Stussy sign or swastika to choose from if we were going to deface property.  The world is terrible.  Were there actually ANY enforced regulations still in place after all that poo poo?
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Withnail posted:Carrying a shield without holding a weapon in the other hand seems a little passive agressive Have you ever been spear-punched or shoulder checked by someone using a 30'x30' (or often 30"x48) piece of plywood? I saw one video of a guy with one of those "tower shields" using the edge to slam it down onto a fallen counter-protestor, I think it was near the time that guy tossed the newspaper box. I know it's really fun to say "kek look at the dork with the sheild it looks like a video game," but police use shields for a reason, and shields have been historically useful for a reason. Rubber bullets? That shield is going to turn it into a much much smaller threat than otherwise. Tear Gas? You can form a half-assed turtle and prevent it from landing underfoot within your crowd. Someone punches you? Hold up that piece of wood and they could very likely break a bone in their hand. The difference I see when antifi use shields, is that they have specific emeergency-response people who tend to use clear signage, and then they tend to respond to emergencies to help others. There are of course going to be front line people who decide to bring a shield but it tends to be individuals rather than some organized tactic to protect the main body of the group. When the alt-right use shields, it's no coincidence that they use roman eagles and other symbols, and roman legion tactics in order to force any opposing groups out of their space. It's entirely offensive in nature, but disguised as a defense - just like the militia who show up with guns, then stan around talking about "keeping the peace" in vague, broad terms, but you know that if they saw an antifa being curb stomped they'd ignore it, but they'd potentially respond with force to antifa or police.
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Covok posted:So, if we're going to be honest, they won yesterday, didn't they? They got carte blanc from the presidency, they got to kill someone and get away with it, they already control the narrative, everyone now fully believes the left was bad and worse than Nazis, and they're going to do it again and have full endorsement by the university to do it again in Florida? A whole bunch of politicians have come out openly saying this is a white separatist terrorist attack, and there been more then a few republicans calling for the sacking of Bannon, et al from the White House. It was a tragic weekend to be sure, and the nazi's may feel more empowered, but also there is a hell of a backlash to it all going on. So far it's talk, but it's far to early to just dismiss it as all just talk. The Alt-right just 100% proved they are just straight up Nazi, which you know anyone who was paying attention already knew, but being so public a bout it, hopefully they have over played their hand. Atwater quote and all that. While Trump may have brought back bigotry into being acceptable, for most people Nazis are still known as straight up evil.
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Harrow posted:It's David Clarke. He was rooting for the Nazis. yeah, he'd have been marching in that parade if he could, despite the, uh, obvious
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moostaffa posted:You mean exactly what they did yesterday? The Boston bombing is a better example. They specifically picked Joel because he has the same last name, similar license plate and was a progressive. He's the "false flag" oh poo poo excuse they started peddling when they didn't want to be attached to the crime. JV was smeared by a legitimate misinformation campaign.
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Jippa posted:This needs some sort of trump branding. "MAGA"  JawKnee posted:just need to juxtapose it with that flagpole wielding nazi from the 50's or whenever taking a swing at a guy
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RuanGacho posted:I'm sensitive to public disclosure because as a government worker almost all details of my life are public record so I have an above average exposure to vigilante attack from coordinated internet mobs, unless I decline to make waves, my life could be ruined by a place like Reddit. Gov workers basically give up their first amendment, but I think there's a difference between marching for genocide and having a political opinion. If there was recourse for people when a random internet mob came after them id be ok with it but as it currently stands there's nothing to prevent the mob from photoshopping you somewhere you weren't and ruining your life. I think I will maintain my stance for privacy even if Nazis on this one. I hope that doesn't make me hypocritical. I fully understand your concern. Even with the best intentions, the problem with doxxing is that false positives (not to mention malicious photoshopping) can ruin a person's life forever. I'm not sure what an appropriate solution here is, however.
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There Bias Two posted:His hair is looking pretty white these days. Did you know™... Most 71 year old men are not blondes!
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Pembroke Fuse posted:I fully understand your concern. Even with the best intentions, the problem with doxxing is that false positives (not to mention malicious photoshopping) can ruin a person's life forever. I'm not sure what an appropriate solution here is, however. The issue is more with crowd based doxxing rather than traditional activist methods of exposing horrible people to the general public.
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:My only problem with this is that an innocent person who just looks like or has the same name as the nazi gets doxxed and harassed. Agreed.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Moral relativism is a thing. only to morons. spencer is immoral so what he thinks is moral or not means nothing.
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Neo_Crimson posted:A president with a 32% approval rating right now? In the crucial November 1932 elections, the nazi party got 33% of the vote.
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dr_rat posted:A whole bunch of politicians have come out openly saying this is a white separatist terrorist attack, and there been more then a few republicans calling for the sacking of Bannon, et al from the White House. It was a tragic weekend to be sure, and the nazi's may feel more empowered, but also there is a hell of a backlash to it all going on. Most people around where I live don't even know anything happened yesterday at all, it was just another ordinary Saturday to them. The few I talked to that do know either still don't care, or mumbled something about "well, this is what happens when people get pissed off and the politicians don't do anything about it..."
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BarbarianElephant posted:I imagine his sales went through the roof, so he's probably happy. "Sales." Regressive have wingnut welfare where regressive super PACs and orgs buy pallets of books then give them out for free.
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Orange Devil posted:In the crucial November 1932 elections, the nazi party got 33% of the vote. Don't be disingenuous, that was a Parlimentary system which combined with the seats won by other far right parties gave the fascists a clear majority.
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