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Is there any good place to keep updated about what is going on in Boston in response to countering any unite the right bullshit that might be going on?
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Kerning Chameleon posted:This thread is terribly amenable to "unconditional free speech rights" at the moment. Except they aren't unconditional. There are clear statutes - set by the supreme court not the ACLU - that outline what is appropriate speech. There's an argument that the legal definition of inciting violence is too narrow, but the case that defined the test (I can't remember the name) was decades ago.
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Mister Adequate posted:The ACLU is absolute in their belief that the 1A is important, probably the most important aspect of the entirety of American constitutional law. Defending Nazis in their right to 1A protections doesn't just defend Nazis - it sets a powerful precedent for everyone else because if those pricks can say what they want then, well, there aren't really any worse beliefs out there. It's a very effective use of their resources in pursuit of their objectives. You don't think there are other people who's first amendment rights are under attack who they can use those resources to help?
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Aug 13, 2017 21:33
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evilweasel posted:we can take some open land in like oklahoma and make the Official Park for Statutes of Traitors and Racists no thanks we already have enough of those assholes. don't need more sov cits, militias, nazis, or klanners in oklahoma thanks keep em to yourself
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mcmagic posted:You don't think there are other people who's first amendment rights are under attack who they can use those resources to help? Whose first amendment rights are under attack that the ACLU isn't defending? Joining a suit about TPM restrictions is hardly a use of resources.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:35
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cannot wait to see this guy punched
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That's a bold strategy. Let's see how it works out for him.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:36
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Exactly. The issue isn't the cops can't stop Nazis because of "free speech." The issue is they choose to loving let the Nazis do almost anything yet strangely seem to remember each arcane law to bust any actual protest. The issue is the cops support the Nazis more than their communities.
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7c Nickel posted:QUESTION FOR THE THREAD! It's never been as dramatic as anyone makes it out to be. There are definitely times when a misstep leads to unintended problems but off the top of my head I'm not remembering anything that was a complete and total failure due to a slip.
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mcmagic posted:You don't think there are other people who's first amendment rights are under attack who they can use those resources to help? I really doubt it. Its not like we have a massive epidemic of protest and rally requests being denied by the government and we need to triage which groups to help and which to let go. You have to be literal nazis before you start to get pushback on permits and approvals.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:36
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This man is a bunch of buzzwords made flesh.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:37
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The hosed up part is he might win because this world is a racist hellhole where no justice is served.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:38
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evilweasel posted:we can take some open land in like oklahoma and make the Official Park for Statutes of Traitors and Racists
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Aug 13, 2017 21:38
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Remember how the Israelis sough out and killed the people who aided in Munich in other countries with bombs and other poo poo afterwards? I think we need to do the same thing with nazi scum.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:38
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Calibanibal posted:i think its because everyone can agree that even though it doesnt belong in a public square its a rather nice statue and should probably just be relocated to a museum fully intact, IMHO It belongs in a landfill
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Aug 13, 2017 21:38
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/swin24/status/896727574914748416 Up until he is listed as one of Mueller's key witnesses, yes. Otherwise, yes, his reputation is shot.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:39
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Rigel posted:I really doubt it. Its not like we have a massive epidemic of protest and rally requests being denied by the government and we need to triage which groups to help and which to let go. You have to be literal nazis before you start to get pushback on permits and approvals. peeps have their first amendment rights violated all the time. like this guy https://www.courthousenews.com/inmate-loses-claim-over-black-panther-literature/ he didn't receive help from the ACLU. not everyone can. nazis don't have to be part of the lucky few the ACLU spends their resources on
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Hellblazer187 posted:What organization should I donate to now that I know the ACLU is bad. NAACP? That will be my first non-naked boobies Patreon.
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"Fascist Anti-fascist riots."  Edit: Reminds me of this jewel- 
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Aug 13, 2017 21:40
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For example: no loving way that torch mob had an approved safety plan, it was clearly a risk of injury or property damage to have a fire wielding mob, but yet it wasn't disrupted with 3 states worth of riot cops like a candlelight vigil would if people blocked a road.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:40
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nah i dont like robert elee but i like equestrian statues. i think a big 'ol confederate monument/statue park in bumfuck, oklarkansaw is an unironically good idea or they can give it to me and i will put it in my backyard
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Aug 13, 2017 21:41
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Red Baron posted:It's never been as dramatic as anyone makes it out to be. There are definitely times when a misstep leads to unintended problems but off the top of my head I'm not remembering anything that was a complete and total failure due to a slip. If you want a fun example of a slippery slope, Antonin Scalia's dire warning in Lawrence v. Texas that declaring anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional was only the first step of a slippery slope leading inevitably to the legalization of same-sex marriage ended up being so prophetic that it was repeatedly and gleefully cited by judges ruling against him for over a decade.
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I really dont know why the ACLU bothers to defend Nazis, its not like they will win over any Republicans since they all view the ACLU as just a big left wing organization anyway.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:41
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It's amazing how much more popular Obama is on twitter than Trump. Trumps bullshit" violence on many sides" tweet got 100k likes, meanwhile Obama's tweet with the little kids has 2 million likes. It must drive little Donny crazy.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:If you want a fun example of a slippery slope, Antonin Scalia's dire warning in Lawrence v. Texas that declaring anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional was only the first step of a slippery slope leading inevitably to the legalization of same-sex marriage ended up being so prophetic that it was repeatedly and gleefully cited by judges ruling against him for over a decade. yeah that owned
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Aug 13, 2017 21:42
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I just got 3 Bingo's.
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Death to Nazis anywhere anyhow.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/896828988328476675 Man Trump keeps promising to shoot people
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Charliegrs posted:I really dont know why the ACLU bothers to defend Nazis, its not like they will win over any Republicans since they all view the ACLU as just a big left wing organization anyway. Because the ACLU is ideologically pro freedom of speech and they're not doing it to try to make anyone like them.
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Condiv posted:peeps have their first amendment rights violated all the time. like this guy https://www.courthousenews.com/inmate-loses-claim-over-black-panther-literature/ You keep saying resources. The ACLU came out supporting the rally, like, two days before it happened. They didn't need lawyers or money - they came out and said the city was violating the law and that's about it. Prisoner's first amendment rights are pretty hosed up. The ACLU has defended them before and they typically lose. The government has decided many times that prisoners don't have the same rights. It's wrong but it happens a thousand times everyday.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:44
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I really would like to punch a Nazi right now
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:If you want a fun example of a slippery slope, Antonin Scalia's dire warning in Lawrence v. Texas that declaring anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional was only the first step of a slippery slope leading inevitably to the legalization of same-sex marriage ended up being so prophetic that it was repeatedly and gleefully cited by judges ruling against him for over a decade. Well sign me the gently caress up for this slip and slide then.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:44
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Remember that Stewart was the guy the Trump campaign fired during the primaries for being too unhinged.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:45
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So there was a rally in Greenville SC in protest of the nazis in VA and of course this being South Carolina you can guess who showed up: https://twitter.com/LaurenPetracca/status/896802486492770304 These were some shining examples of the white "race". Some even managed to have all of their bottom teeth https://twitter.com/LaurenPetracca/status/896808571861651456 https://twitter.com/gwdcountydems/status/896809889481314304
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farraday posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/896828988328476675 "If the President of the United States started summarily executing prisoners without a trial people would complain like snowflake liberal babies." I hope his daughter takes notes.
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Aug 13, 2017 21:49
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Wait, is Tim Kaine's kid antifa or is the alt right rear end in a top hat just conflating antifa with general protestors?
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Aug 13, 2017 21:51
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Shifty Pony posted:So there was a rally in Greenville SC in protest of the nazis in VA and of course this being South Carolina you can guess who showed up: Christ, you could drive a truck through the gap in that guy's teeth. What is it with assholes with lovely opinions and missing teeth?
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BadOptics posted:"Fascist Anti-fascist riots." According to these people, fascism is "I can't say and do what I want" instead of torches, boots on necks, nationalism, racism, militias and barbarism.
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