|
Safety Factor posted:They're saying you can use the expanded power set in the Codex if you like, rather than limit yourself to the three in the Index. Then why did they explicitly say the discipline isn't being replaced? If its the same but bigger... it is a replacement? So its bigger but it must be missing one of the powers or something right? GW confusing wording as always.
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 19:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 05:44 |
|
|
Painted up with a friend the new objective markers - they turned out pretty rad! We're giving them away as part of a raffle for our gaming group  
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 19:55
|
|
|
I like those new objectives a lot, but it's a bit to spend on a set which won't always be cohesive or appropriate to the army/mission/table. Sharks Dont Sleep posted:I posted it a few pages back but there was a Warhammer Community (7/22 maybe?) post implying that Astra Militarum and Ad Mech would be after Grey Knights. God drat I hope this is the case. Would love a full codex for IG, even if there are no new models. Just looking at all those cool stratagems the Space Marines got . . . nothing to spend my 12CPs on in a brigade-detachment army!
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 20:02
|
|
|
Zaphod42 posted:Then why did they explicitly say the discipline isn't being replaced? If its the same but bigger... it is a replacement? So its bigger but it must be missing one of the powers or something right? This isn't hard.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 20:13
|
|
|
Safety Factor posted:It is not missing anything. What they are saying is that if you're playing Thousand Sons, you should feel free to use the new powers, trying to imply that they should also buy the new codex because that's what the community team does. No one is going to do that and they'll just find the powers online; some were already shown on the Warhammer Community page itself. Alternatively, Thousand Sons players can keep using the limited psychic options in the Index if they don't buy the codex, can't find the powers online, or are just plain dumb. If the existing powers are included then why would you have to say that though? Index has powers A, B and C and codex has powers A, B, C, D, etc. that inherently means A, B and C are still legal from the index, no? It shouldn't be hard but they always find a way to use confusing and/or ambiguous language when being very crystal clear wouldn't be hard.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 20:27
|
|
|
Zaphod42 posted:If the existing powers are included then why would you have to say that though? Index has powers A, B and C and codex has powers A, B, C, D, etc. that inherently means A, B and C are still legal from the index, no?  Index:  Codex: 
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 20:37
|
|
|
Hard to get excited about codexes when you still ave to use the indexes. What a cluster. Buuuuut holy poo poo are they knocking it out the park with the new gangers.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 20:44
|
|
|
Secondly, if you’re a Thousand Sons player, you may have noticed that the Dark Hereticus discipline in the new codex is larger than the one in the Index. Don’t worry – the discipline isn’t being replaced and you won’t need to get Codex: Chaos Space Marines to keep using it. Similarly, if you have Codex: Chaos Space Marines, you’re welcome to use the expanded Dark Hereticus powers with your Thousand Sons Psykers. If you’re a Daemons player, this change also applies to Be’lakor. All they are saying is if you want to spend the money one the new book/cards you can use it, but if you don't want to you can just use the old ones
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 20:49
|
|
|
Zaphod42 posted:If the existing powers are included then why would you have to say that though? Index has powers A, B and C and codex has powers A, B, C, D, etc. that inherently means A, B and C are still legal from the index, no? It is not confusing or ambiguous in the least. There's two use cases for 1k Sons: You own index but no codex. The powers in the index are still valid, you are not forced to buy the codex. You own index and codex. You can use the powers in the codex freely. This allows people who don't want to buy C:CSM to continue as they are but if they do buy it then they get to use the new toys. Same as Deathwatch in Index Imperium.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 20:54
|
|
|
It's about not invalidating little Johnny's purchase within 3 months, whilst Grognard Dave can spend 25 quid to fix the issues with Psyker heavy Chaos armies. It's a little confusingly worded, but you have to read most of the community stuff like that - they don't want to piss off people, but they obviously want to encourage you to buy it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:08
|
|
|
you are not allowed to use these rules unless you can furnish a hardcopy of the codex and a proof of purchase to your opponent
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:12
|
|
|
Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:you are not allowed to use these rules unless you can furnish a hardcopy of the codex and a proof of purchase to your opponent Depending on the opponent I'd prefer they have a physical copy, yes. I've had opponents turn up and summon Daemons without having the rules and stats for them, which is just bullshit. He was also running both Magnus and Ahriman in a 1750pt game, which was a little "Really? Two of the most powerful Psykers, one of which is a loving Primarch is showing up to fight my aspiring Nurgle lord for some objectives in a slightly underwhelmingly laid out battlefield, and you didn't mention this when we arranged our game?" Always be having conversations. I was mostly miffed as I was expecting him to bring Magnus without warning, but both annoyed me as it's so unfluffy for anything but the biggest battles as they hate each other's guts.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:22
|
|
|
what about a greyscale printout of a pdf of an obviously scanned book?
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:26
|
|
|
Why is this post necessary? Like I said, if the index powers are re-printed in the codex, why is saying that necessary? Then you posted a picture of the index powers and how they're re-printed in the codex. Cool. That's what I said. That's the loving point. Black_Nexus posted:Secondly, if you’re a Thousand Sons player, you may have noticed that the Dark Hereticus discipline in the new codex is larger than the one in the Index. Don’t worry – the discipline isn’t being replaced and you won’t need to get Codex: Chaos Space Marines to keep using it. Similarly, if you have Codex: Chaos Space Marines, you’re welcome to use the expanded Dark Hereticus powers with your Thousand Sons Psykers. If you’re a Daemons player, this change also applies to Be’lakor. So its just saying "If you haven't seen the codex, it reprints those powers, so they're still legal" Confusing way of saying it though. It only needs to be said for people who haven't read the codex, and like I said they didn't really make that clear so it almost seems to imply something else. Rather than saying "expanded" and "replaced" they should have simply said "The Dark Hereticus Index powers are in the Codex Dark Hereticus and still legal". That's very clear, simple, and un-ambiguous. See how easy that is? Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 13, 2017 |
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:29
|
|
|
Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:what about a greyscale printout of a pdf of an obviously scanned book? Friendly game yes, tournament no.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:30
|
|
|
Milotic posted:It's a little confusingly worded This was literally my only complaint. GW is often confusingly worded when rules for tabletop games should be written in as specific a way as possible. Its just silly. D&D and Magic the Gathering and X-WING Minis and every other nerd hobby out there uses crazy specific legalese language to make everything crystal clear, and GW has no problem being confusing. They need a proofreader.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:33
|
|
|
Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Does anyone have the data sheet for the Primaris Captain with PF? Also is there any way to find out a store's anniversary date outside of calling them? Anyone?
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:40
|
|
|
Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Anyone? I might have one for you by the end of the week.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:41
|
|
|
Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:what about a greyscale printout of a pdf of an obviously scanned book? Friend, that's fine. Down at the club or a tournament (not that I'd ever do a tournament), you'd better have the original rules. If you're playing to win, you should try to avoid all grounds for doubt. Obviously if you've discussed with your opponent before hand "Hey I'd like to try these rules and proxy this army/models as that one, that Ok?" that's fine. Experimenting before investing is fine.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:47
|
|
|
I have been reading the new Codex Chaos Space Marines on and off today at work. Probably my favorite Chaos Codex yet, and I say this as a 15 year player of World Eaters and Emperor's Children. Literally it gave me every thing I want as a Chaos player. Basically, if you don't like the new CSM book  Also, I wish other mini games could make faction books that are half this nice.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 21:59
|
|
|
Lord_Hambrose posted:I have been reading the new Codex Chaos Space Marines on and off today at work. Probably my favorite Chaos Codex yet, and I say this as a 15 year player of World Eaters and Emperor's Children. Literally it gave me every thing I want as a Chaos player. And half as expensive.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 22:02
|
|
|
SteelMentor posted:I might have one for you by the end of the week. Awesome. I am hoping to get one once a local GW in the MD area has their anniversary, but I want to know what options are available.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 22:05
|
|
|
Zaphod42 posted:Why is this post necessary? This is only an issue because Thousand Sons use the Dark Hereticus discipline and not a unique one. This was not an issue for Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves because their librarians and equivalents have access to their own tables. Deathwatch, however, are in a similar boat as the Thousand Sons. Their librarians use the basic space marine table which was expanded from three to six powers in the codex. GW is trying to tell people they are not forced people to buy a codex they don't really need for a relatively minor update. They have simply been saying that it's ok to keep using the ones available in the Index if that is all you have. The new powers are just further options and do not invalidate or replace the old ones. The reality is that anyone can find the powers online and will either memorize them, print them out, or go with the budget option and buy the data cards rather than fork over the money for a codex they don't need.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 22:23
|
|
|
Genghis Cohen posted:Glad to see Necromunda, although I had really hoped the teaser symbol was for Imperial Guard of some type. Yeah, I was pretty sure it was Steel Legion but I'm happy to be wrong here.
|
|
#
?
Aug 13, 2017 22:36
|
|
|
Rumors on Faeit say that there's an incoming Steel legion and Ork release. As a guy with a ton of old Steel Legion guys, this makes me very anxious.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 00:10
|
|
|
They could be mistaken and it's a Delaque gang.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 00:22
|
|
|
Just how necessary are anti-psyker measures in a competitive sense? "Every army must include a librarian" necessary, or what? I've yet to field a psyker outside of Grey Knights this edition and feel the loss that hard
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 00:35
|
|
|
The Sex Cannon posted:Rumors on Faeit say that there's an incoming Steel legion and Ork release. As a guy with a ton of old Steel Legion guys, this makes me very anxious. You and me both brother. Still, there will always be a place for the metals. Right?
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 01:05
|
|
|
Is it considered unfair if someone uses chapter/legion tactics/stratagems against an opponent whose army doesn't have a proper codex with those things yet?
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 01:24
|
|
|
Anybody still got a link to that old Necromunda comic that was going for a while? With the most beautiful baus?
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 01:28
|
|
|
goose willis posted:Is it considered unfair if someone uses chapter/legion tactics/stratagems against an opponent whose army doesn't have a proper codex with those things yet? I've been refraining from doing so mostly because the Codex player has so many more options, and also because they have free access to Relics.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 01:43
|
|
|
goose willis posted:Is it considered unfair if someone uses chapter/legion tactics/stratagems against an opponent whose army doesn't have a proper codex with those things yet? I'd ask my opponent but honestly I think it's a little silly to expect anyone to not use their codex until everyone has one.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 01:46
|
|
|
Most of my friends let me use another legion's tactics on my thousand sons, so yeah I think it's gonna be a case by case basis.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:01
|
|
|
I picked up some Delaques about a year ago, psyched to have a reason to paint them- probably won't be any plastics for a while looking at the rate of Blood Bowl teams.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:02
|
|
|
Most of the special traits don't seem like they'd change the entire balance of a game so I figure it'd be OK because my Tyranid friend kicks my Chaos rear end most of the time Some of the stratagems are pretty loving powerful but they're limited-use so it's not like I can just spam them all game
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:09
|
|
|
I'm having a little trouble understanding the wording of the Forward Operatives stratagem for Alpha Legion:quote:At the beginning of the first battle round but before the first turn begins What exactly are they saying because I'm looking at this multiple times and I still don't get it
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:13
|
|
|
goose willis posted:
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:14
|
|
|
Don't thoughtsmith me bro
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:18
|
|
|
Saw the new primaris transport up close and it's ooooook but the stubbers are stupid.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:18
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 30, 2024 05:44 |
|
|
goose willis posted:
Literally before you make your very first unit move, do this.
|
|
#
?
Aug 14, 2017 02:37
|
|