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stone cold
Feb 15, 2014


:pusheen:

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Mecha Gojira
Jun 23, 2006

Jack Nissan

Mechafunkzilla posted:

genuinely surprised that Sebastian Gorka is a chapo fan

Why? He's a regular caller.

pkay
Jan 4, 2005
"You and your ilk just made me vote downticket R in the midterms."
- a black man (- a magachud)

stone cold posted:

nazis are an existential threat to anybody who's not a white dude

So are you prepared to defend yourself from an existential threat with your fist?

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

DreamShipWrecked posted:

It's hard to make out with the blurry photo but the structure looks incorrect from what I can see. However, it doesn't look like any of the normal drug ones so I guess its something different?

Bit hard to tell from a blurry, partially obscured tattoo. What you can say is that it's a substituted benzofuran, they're often the backbone of synthetic stimulants or hallucinogenics, but they're usually pretty obscure. Could also be an antimicrobial, or a cancer drug, or dude just thought it looked cool

farraday
Jan 10, 2007

Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/896883383904518144

I don't think it's fair to drive someone to drink and then fire them for it.

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

pkay posted:

So are you prepared to defend yourself from an existential threat with your fist?

i like being alive

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

pkay are you aware that people that aren't white men also desire to stay alive

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

stone cold posted:

i like being alive

That's what conscripts in the SS said too. :v:

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

farraday posted:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/896883383904518144

I don't think it's fair to drive someone to drink and then fire them for it.

Hell at that rate you should fire all posters in this thread

pkay
Jan 4, 2005
"You and your ilk just made me vote downticket R in the midterms."
- a black man (- a magachud)

stone cold posted:

pkay are you aware that people that aren't white men also desire to stay alive

I am well aware. Obviously you are trolling but look below the avatar.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

stone cold posted:

who should we trust more on the subject of political violence: angela davis and malcolm x or you, goon who jacked off with your permit into this thread

Malcolm X also preached that whites were devils, blacks were superior to whites, and the white race was dying out. Not exactly an endearing message either.

Personally I prefer to look up to people like Dr King and Gandhi and their views on cultural change. The only reason people are able to bring up the "violence on both sides" of Charlottesville is because there was violence on both sides. Had the counter protesters just showed up and been attacked and not fought back the whole narrative would be different.

AmiYumi
Oct 10, 2005

I FORGOT TO HAIL KING TORG
Okay, you win, you can post as much Undertale as you want in the Fanart thread. :allears:

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
What happened in Seattle? Who won?

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

pkay posted:

So are you prepared to defend yourself from an existential threat with your fist?

When is it okay to be violent against real, without a doubt Nazis?

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

pkay posted:

Obviously you are trolling

:irony:

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012

Google Butt posted:

When is it okay to be violent against real, without a doubt Nazis?

When they put you into the camps and not a second before. Or invade your country. You don't want to accidentally lose the moral high ground by punching too early.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

BadOptics posted:

When they put you into the camps and not a second before. Or invade your country. You don't want to accidentally lose the moral high ground by punching too early.

Isn't that literally appeasement? How did that go last time?

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

as a samurai it is my sacred duty to avoid such situations whenever possible, as once my katana has been drawn it may not be sheathed until it has tasted blood. This is my bushido

pkay
Jan 4, 2005
"You and your ilk just made me vote downticket R in the midterms."
- a black man (- a magachud)

Google Butt posted:

When is it okay to be violent against real, without a doubt Nazis?

When they initiate a violent altercation or threaten me or my family with a weapon.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

Covok posted:

Isn't that literally appeasement? How did that go last time?

If anyone knows anything about pee, it's Donald Trump

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

AmiYumi posted:

Okay, you win, you can post as much Undertale as you want in the Fanart thread. :allears:
:tipshat:

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

pkay posted:

When they initiate a violent altercation or threaten me or my family with a weapon.

You mean like by say, showing up to "peaceful" protests armed with assault rifles, or deliberately driving cars into crowds of counter-protesters?

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Covok posted:

What happened in Seattle? Who won?

Pearl Jam outlasted all the rest of them

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Unoriginal Name posted:

Didn't someone post the MLK quote about negative peace like, two days ago?

It can be posted again.

MLK posted:

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

skylined!
Apr 6, 2012

THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

pkay posted:

When they initiate a violent altercation or threaten me or my family with a weapon.

their whole strategy is to intimidate, coerce and debilitate to the point where once this finally happens you are literally powerless to stop them

in fact it relies on it

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Google Butt posted:

When is it okay to be violent against real, without a doubt Nazis?

If I see one.

Google Butt
Oct 4, 2005

Xenology is an unnatural mixture of science fiction and formal logic. At its core is a flawed assumption...

that an alien race would be psychologically human.

skylined! posted:

their whole strategy is to intimidate, coerce and debilitate to the point where once this finally happens you are literally powerless to stop them

in fact it relies on it

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




pkay posted:

When they initiate a violent altercation or threaten me or my family with a weapon.

So you are perfectly fine as long as they stick to going after your friends, neighbours, coworkers, and fellow posters. Im sure there are no examples of this happening in history we could look towards in order to see how it ends.

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Good god.

El Burbo
Oct 10, 2012

pkay posted:

When they initiate a violent altercation or threaten me or my family with a weapon.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Azhais posted:

Malcolm X also preached that whites were devils, blacks were superior to whites, and the white race was dying out. Not exactly an endearing message either.

Personally I prefer to look up to people like Dr King and Gandhi and their views on cultural change. The only reason people are able to bring up the "violence on both sides" of Charlottesville is because there was violence on both sides. Had the counter protesters just showed up and been attacked and not fought back the whole narrative would be different.
Adding to your point:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Like, the poem that people quote isn't just some quaint little notion.

Martin Niemöller posted:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

THIS poo poo ACTUALLY HAPPENED. The socialists, trade unionists, and Jews were LITERALLY KILLED.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

There's a debate (albeit, admittedly one sided) in the media on which side is more at fault here: Nazis or people who aren't Nazis.

Peacoffee
Feb 11, 2013


pkay posted:

me or my family

Well, aren't you just a gosh darn selfish prick. Protecting your family isnt that brave really since most white men view the rest as an extension of them. Its just your own rear end, or your most basic parental duty. Protecting someone elses kid from that violence when you could otherwise avoid it all, is brave. No accolades for people who have such a hard time getting out of themselves that they think protecting their fuckin family is enough. I doubt you live in some stateless zone, so protect the god drat society that allowed you get to this point. Your beliefs seem founded from within that worst core american idea that we are exceptional to everything.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot
I saw the beginning of this an hour or two back, the speaker was really excellent, talking about how you should expect to be afraid, and to push through it together.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

The moral of the story is, yes, you actually are your brother's keeper.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



El Burbo posted:

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

It's funny, because in the end the Nazis were really coming for anyone and everyone not them. Any group of people could one day rise to challenge them. So they targeted everyone. It was just the low hanging fruit that got targeted first. In the end there were even plans to eradicate Christianity.

So I went to church today and was very proud that not a single person went in with the "two sides" narrative despite the majority of them being republicans. You know, later after the rage shakes. There were a number who didn't want to participate in the political process, but whatever, they weren't going to anyway.

I did tell them that by the end of this there was going to be a long national discussion about first amendment rights. That if Christians don't participate and get a handle on this poo poo they're going to find the law that protects them the most under siege by angry people and that to defend it they will have to defend Nazis. The mood got pretty grim for a few minutes after that.

Edit: There were calls for peace and the idea of violence was never really entertained. Both pleased and saddened by this. I really met a bunch of soft hearted people. Warms my cockles. I didn't really have it in my heart to tell them that praying for peace wasn't going to be enough, nor that peace was really going to be achievable.

Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Aug 14, 2017

glowing-fish
Feb 18, 2013

Keep grinding,
I hope you level up! :)
Some people might not think this is in good faith, but I was interested in where James Fields came from, in the geographic sense.

So far we know that he drove from Maumee, Ohio. And we have a report from one of his teachers from a school in Kentucky.

Maumee, Ohio is a town of 13,000 people that immediately adjoins Toledo, Ohio. It is in Lucas County, which is pretty Democratic, and has been for the past century. It is also pretty multiracial, being only 75% white. Also, like many midsized counties in Ohio, it has a pretty high poverty rate, at around 18% of the population. Maumee, however, is a different story: it is around 95% white and has a 3% poverty rate.
The highschool, Cooper High School, is in unincorporated Boone County, right outside of Florence, Kentucky. Boone County is part of the Cincinnati metro area, and is one of the three lowest-poverty counties in Kentucky. Its a rich suburban area, mostly powered by the DHL hub being there. The school itself is in a kind of rural area, but its like a mile away from McMansion territory. Trump won Boone County by 67% of the vote (he did a little worse than Romney).

All of this is relevant because, while there isn't any excuse for someone becoming radicalized to the point where they are committing terrorism, this is another piece against the narrative that these people are economically disaffected. Without knowing more of his details, Fields came from two rich, suburban, Republican, white areas, full of McMansions and high end malls. He did not come from a tiny crossroads town with a shuttered steel mill. He was radicalized in what seems to be a suburban vacuum.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
that pictures has always given me chills. i always wonder who the victim is, or if the nazi killing him is dead. did he get gutted horribly on the eastern front, or did he live out his days in ilgotten comfort.

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Piell
Sep 3, 2006

Grey Worm's Ken doll-like groin throbbed with the anticipatory pleasure that only a slightly warm and moist piece of lemoncake could offer


Young Orc

Azhais posted:

Malcolm X also preached that whites were devils, blacks were superior to whites, and the white race was dying out. Not exactly an endearing message either.

Personally I prefer to look up to people like Dr King and Gandhi and their views on cultural change. The only reason people are able to bring up the "violence on both sides" of Charlottesville is because there was violence on both sides. Had the counter protesters just showed up and been attacked and not fought back the whole narrative would be different.

King and Gandhi both supported violent resistance, they just thought non-violent resistance was better.

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