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Duzzy Funlop posted:Hey building/upgrading thread. Last time I was in this subforum, I got an excellent recommendation for a refurbished Lenovo T440 that has served me supremely well for school in the US in the last 34 months. Trackpad seems to be dying a slow death now, but excellent value for money over the time. Volta (GeForce 20x0) is also getting announced in September, so literally waiting one month could do wonders for your GPU options and price. ufarn fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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ufarn posted:Doesn't your motherboard support something better than 2400 MHz RAM? Would probably give you a decent bump without a major price hike. E: Looks like it does. Bumping RAM frequency is probably one of the best value-for-money decisions up until a certain point; $20-50 is usually all it takes. Regarding the RAM, I've picked a 3200 variant of the same manufacturer/model in roughly the same price class, plus a similar 1060 GTX card. What's the benefit of having a 6GB version of that model vs. a 3GB one? are 90 bucks extra worth that kind of performance? Since I'm moving, I kinda need to assemble this within the week, and I don't really mind too much that I wouldn't be getting the BEST value for money. This is what I've found at one of my previous online shops so far. 
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Is it normal for the contacts on DDR4 RAM sticks to stick out more in the middle than at the edges? What's that about?
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fleshweasel posted:Is it normal for the contacts on DDR4 RAM sticks to stick out more in the middle than at the edges? What's that about? Yeah, that's normal. According to wikipedia: quote:DDR4 DIMM modules have a slightly curved edge connector so not all of the pins are engaged at the same time during module insertion, lowering the insertion force.[12]
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Regarding the RAM, I've picked a 3200 variant of the same manufacturer/model in roughly the same price class, plus a similar 1060 GTX card. What's the benefit of having a 6GB version of that model vs. a 3GB one? are 90 bucks extra worth that kind of performance? Couple notes: You don't need to buy another cooler. Ryzen 5 1600 comes with a reasonable one in box that should do you fine. Getting a 6GB 1060 is very much worth it. The 6GB refers to the video memory on the card. Having more VRAM allows for better looking games now and much better compatibility in future. There are already games that can max out 6GB VRAM. In addition, the 6GB model has some additional processing power, which helps games run better too. Ryzen is very picky about memory. A quick google turned up a lot of people having problems with G.skill Ripjaws kits on the Tomahawk motherboard. Google for the QVL for the motherboard and pick something off that list. There should be an affordable 16GB 3200 speed kit on there (although I've heard mixed results actually getting to 3200 on Ryzen boards, might want to try 3000 instead). Like Llamadeus said, putting this in German PCPartPicker to get a handle on it would be a good idea.
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Arivia posted:Couple notes: You don't need to buy another cooler. Ryzen 5 1600 comes with a reasonable one in box that should do you fine. Thanks for the advice. Looks like I'll be switching to a KFA2 1060 GTX with 6GB, and a 2x8gb Corsair Vengance LPX 3000 kit, as per the compatibility release https://www.amd.com/system/files/2017-06/am4-motherboard-memory-support-list-en.pdf Parts Picker wouldn't find my specific card in the shop, but my selection should look roughly like this at the moment. Probably shopping for a case in person tomorrow, thinking about getting another Antec, if they're still around and make decent cases. Never heard of "KFA2" for graphics cards, but a bit of googling seems that they're a decent brand. This look alright? Price estimate is off by 0.4 cents in the shop where I'm ordering, that's pretty impressive. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (€199.90 @ Caseking) Motherboard: MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard (€90.74 @ Amazon Deutschland) Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€146.49 @ Mindfactory) Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€93.86 @ Amazon Deutschland) Video Card: Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Mini Video Card (€289.90 @ Caseking) Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€70.20 @ Amazon Deutschland) Total: €891.09 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-13 23:24 CEST+0200
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I checked the QVL for the motherboard and that memory kit should hopefully be fine. Only other thing you might want to add if you can is a small hard disk. 250GB doesn't go very far these days, now that games are north of 50GB.
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Arivia posted:I checked the QVL for the motherboard and that memory kit should hopefully be fine. Yeah, definitely. It's super easy to fill up 250GB with just the OS and a couple of modern games, especially if you want to record video. poo poo adds up quick. You can grab a 1TB HDD for a pretty decent price now, so I'd definitely toss one in there just for storage of music/documents/video/etc.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm honestly partial to the Air series: http://www.corsair.com/en-us/carbide-series-air-240-high-airflow-micro-atx-and-mini-itx-pc-case I've always seen this case in builds on reddit, but I've never realized you could flip it over. That's awesome. Gonna use this one for my next build.
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Khizan posted:Yeah, definitely. It's super easy to fill up 250GB with just the OS and a couple of modern games, especially if you want to record video. poo poo adds up quick. You can grab a 1TB HDD for a pretty decent price now, so I'd definitely toss one in there just for storage of music/documents/video/etc. Win 10 takes up like half of it right? Picked up a 1TB for like $55. It wasn't solid state, but 1TB is 1TB...
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hagie posted:Win 10 takes up like half of it right? Windows 10 doesn't take up that much space. I have it on a mini PC with 32gb of storage. It's getting a little full but I have 5gb or so after I installed some software.
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My mistake. I must have some whale of a mystery program some where taking up a poo poo ton of space.
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Can anyone recommend a case that supports an ATX motherboard and has a fan in front of the hard drive bay to provide extra cooling for the drives? There's too many options and I cannot find a site that lets me search by fan placement.
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khy posted:Can anyone recommend a case that supports an ATX motherboard and has a fan in front of the hard drive bay to provide extra cooling for the drives? There's too many options and I cannot find a site that lets me search by fan placement. Just get a Fractal Design Define R5. Fan slots and dust filters everywhere, plus it's nice and quiet to boot.
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teagone posted:I've always seen this case in builds on reddit, but I've never realized you could flip it over. That's awesome. Gonna use this one for my next build. Yeah, I use these on my Air 540 to ensure the PSU still has plenty of space to suck in ambient air from the underside: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-4-Inch-Self-Adhesive-Rubber-RUBBERFEET/dp/B00032Q30Q I don't know how large/tall the ones Corsair includes with the 240, since the 540 didn't come with them at all. It's nice not having to worry about HSF/GPU sag.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Just get a Fractal Design Define R5. Fan slots and dust filters everywhere, plus it's nice and quiet to boot. And it includes space for fans in front of the 3.5" drive bays, with the intake fan there by default.
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Arivia posted:I checked the QVL for the motherboard and that memory kit should hopefully be fine. Oh, that's fine, i still have two Western Digital drives with 500GB each that I'm taking out of my old desktop PC while leaving in the 250GB HDD. Are there any crucial tips for cases these days, or should I be fine with pretty much anything that has decent ratings? I recall a modding-freak friend of mine telling me everything needs to be tool-free and modular, and and and, but I was happy with both of my previous Antec cases under 100 bucks.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Just get a Fractal Design Define R5. Fan slots and dust filters everywhere, plus it's nice and quiet to boot. I'll check that out. Also IIRC from earlier in the thread, I want more exhaust fans than intake ones (negative pressure) to reduce dust, correct?
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khy posted:I'll check that out. Also IIRC from earlier in the thread, I want more exhaust fans than intake ones (negative pressure) to reduce dust, correct? No, the other way round.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Oh, that's fine, i still have two Western Digital drives with 500GB each that I'm taking out of my old desktop PC while leaving in the 250GB HDD. Make sure it fits your motherboard and any drives you're putting in it. If you're transplanting an optical drive too, 5.25" bays are becoming much rarer. Try to get a case with at least two fans - one intake and one exhaust - or buy an additional fan to go with. The one other thing you want to check is that it has good front panel connectors for your use - audio jacks, USB ports, etc. Beyond that it does largely come down to personal choice and aesthetics. Anything that isn't a €20 cheapie should be okay to work with. Toolless and modular just make it easier, and are to some degree perks that just start showing up on cases at a particular point. Some cases have integrated dust filters, some are quieter, etc etc. Edit: And Antec still sells fine cases, from what I understand. Arivia fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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I have a friend who made a frankly baffling decision to me a few years back and set up a system with dual SLI GeForce GTX 660's. They're looking for an upgrade for $400 or less if they can get a significant one, asked me for advice, and I'm both hampered by not really being a GPU guy (my desktop has an AMD RX 460, for crying out loud, and only because the i7 6800k doesn't have an iGPU). Is this possible? (I'm personally inclined torwards AMDs, but that's solely for Linux driver reasons and not really relevant for this friend.)
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hagie posted:Win 10 takes up like half of it right? hagie posted:My mistake. I must have some whale of a mystery program some where taking up a poo poo ton of space. IIRC, if you upgrade to W10 there is an option to backup up all your old stuff into one big file, maybe that's it. My W10 takes up about 25GB.
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hagie posted:My mistake. I must have some whale of a mystery program some where taking up a poo poo ton of space. Run WinDirStat or similar to figure out where the space goes.
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Do small discrepancies between motherboard standoffs matter? I scavenged up some posts from a bucket at a computer store and am feeling paranoid about damaging anything if I install a motherboard on top of these. edit: gently caress it, just bought a new case instead--I was overdue for one. brap fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Two (semi-related) questions. I got a couple of 140mm fans for intake after opening my machine for the first time and finding more dust than I was happy with. Get that positive pressure on. Any guidelines for setting a fan speed profile, or is it just "turn up until I'm bothered by the noise?" With the additional airflow, I guess I'll go ahead and overclock my 6600k. I actually am completely okay with the frame rates I'm getting in everything I play, though, so I'm not concerned with ekeing every bit of juice out of the processor right this second. If I just run the asus AI overclocker, it won't set my rig on fire, right?
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fleshweasel posted:Do small discrepancies between motherboard standoffs matter?
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gourdcaptain posted:I have a friend who made a frankly baffling decision to me a few years back and set up a system with dual SLI GeForce GTX 660's. They're looking for an upgrade for $400 or less if they can get a significant one, asked me for advice, and I'm both hampered by not really being a GPU guy (my desktop has an AMD RX 460, for crying out loud, and only because the i7 6800k doesn't have an iGPU). Is this possible? (I'm personally inclined torwards AMDs, but that's solely for Linux driver reasons and not really relevant for this friend.) A GTX 1070 would be a huge upgrade for ~$450 in games where SLI is not supported. In SLI supported games it would be maybe 2ish times quicker. It is however a good time to be waiting. That price should still come down over the next month or so, and early 2018 sees nVidia release Volta, at current rumours.
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Boxman posted:Two (semi-related) questions. Kinda depends on your fans, and other sources of noise. Case fans don't usually drown out a GPU working hard, but YMMV. If you're on an ASUS board, just play with them in AI suite and keep them where you want them. If you run fan tuning, it will work out a minimum RPM as well, which is nice to sit them on when you're watching a quiet film over speakers or are working. AI overclocker is ok, but don't shoot for much with it. On a 6600k that's maybe 4.5Ghz as a safe limit where autovoltages are useful. Doing it properly with an offset is safer. HWinfo can record average and peak voltages. You want that under 1.35 and 1.40 respectively. You can go higher, within spec, but it's not particularly good for long term lifespan. e: There's an overclocking thread if you want to get a higher clock from it.
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Parts should be in Friday! Case shows up tomorrow, got the 1060 yesterday. Kind of excited to have a project.
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hagie posted:Parts should be in Friday! Case shows up tomorrow, got the 1060 yesterday. Kind of excited to have a project. Did you end up getting a dual or quad-core CPU?
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I went with this bundle, which was similar to the suggestion in the OP: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3591098 Saved some money and got more RAM.
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Should I be expecting much of a price drop on graphics cards on Labor Day? Looking at the price history it seems like they've gone up significantly recently and not dropped nearly as much for the last two big sale days.
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Hello thread. I'm trying to navigate building my own pc. For the most part, budget is no issue, and I really just have a few general questions on how to proceed. According to this blurb in the OP, " SA Performance Gamer - A high-end gaming machine targeting 1080p, 60 FPS at High details on current titles Intel Core i5-7600K Z270 motherboard A large quiet CPU cooler 16 GB of DDR4-3000+ RAM GeForce GTX 1070 500 GB S-ATA SSD" This is a standard setup of parts that fits closely with what I'd like to do, but I'm curious if anything has changed since June to make any newer parts more desirable for a similar price point. The ultimate goal is to have a somewhat compact box that can run a 144z 1080p display on high settings for most games, specifically ones like LoL or counter strike. I am unsure of whether these recommended parts are still desirable for this, or if I may want some slightly better hardware for going up to 144 frames. I'd also like to be able to stream in 1080p/60f on top of whatever game/program running, and I have no idea how much more power I need out of hardware for this. I'd also love a brief list of total parts; this list in the op is missing a few things like the case and I don't want to miss anything. I'll have no problem coming back with a part picker link, I'd just like a bit more guidance so I know what to be looking at.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Should I be expecting much of a price drop on graphics cards on Labor Day? Looking at the price history it seems like they've gone up significantly recently and not dropped nearly as much for the last two big sale days. GPU prices go up and down because of market forces and new product launches, not sales. Nobody can tell when GPU prices will drop, and if you could then you'd be better off trading cryptocurrency with that knowledge.
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I was always under the impression that the whole idea of sales was prices going down. Let me explain my thought process. Prices on cards generally go down shortly after their release. Prices (specifically on the 1050ti and 1060) have gone up. Is there a reason for this, and is there any reason to expect that to change? For example, 5 years or so ago there was a giant hurricane or tsunami or something in Thailand that wiped out the majority of hard drive production for months. Prices went up. Is there something similar going on with graphics cards now?
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Should I be expecting much of a price drop on graphics cards on Labor Day? Looking at the price history it seems like they've gone up significantly recently and not dropped nearly as much for the last two big sale days. There's always a *chance*, but seeing as Vega's pretty much a mining card first and a gaming card second, nVidia's CEO is in no hurry, and Volta's making them tons in the professional/mega-corporate space: http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidias-next-gen-volta-gaming-gpus-arent-arriving-anytime-soon/ 22 Eargesplitten posted:I was always under the impression that the whole idea of sales was prices going down. When Vega hits with its supposed 70-100MH mining rates, we're probably going to have another ballooning in price. Especially since BTC hit $4k.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I was always under the impression that the whole idea of sales was prices going down. Cryptocurrency mining is huge right now, people are buying dozens or hundreds of 470/480/570/580 and GTX 1070, and to a lesser extent 1060s and 1080s to mine. Non-mining GPUs are getting some upwards pressure on pricing because people who would otherwise be buying a 570/580 are forced to look at 1060s or 1080s, which is pushing up prices of those too. If you want an example of what people are doing with them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCcBGX0E8ns
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