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glowing-fish posted:Mason, Ohio is an exurb of Cincinnati, about 25 miles from downtown Cincinnati. It has a median family income of over 100,000 dollars a year, and has less than 3% of the population living below the poverty line. It is in Warren County, which has voted Republican in every election since 1872. Its a posh suburb with many corporate headquarters and the one of the world's largest centers of tennis courts. fascism is a petit bourgeois ideology
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a foolish pianist posted:If we can get a specific anti-nazi law, Germany-style, I'm all in. Absent that, cops are going to use this as an excuse to brutalize left-wing marches. The anti-ACLU position is fundamentally authoritarian and places a lot of trust in cops. Are you for or against counter protesting? Should counter protestors just stay home?
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pkay posted:They just openly murdered and injured innocents. I'm sorry could you clarify your statement Mr. Trump?
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Your mistake is thinking that the reasoning the left wing uses remotely affects the reasoning the right wing uses, as if their logic system is on the same planet of each other. It's a failure of imagination you're experiencing that doesn't let you picture an authoritarian mind vs. a functioning one. People with better imaginations are embarrassed for you because they have seen the same fallacy so often it's super clear to them, but not at all clear to you. I'm sorry coyo7e fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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pkay posted:They just openly murdered and injured innocents. Yes. That was this weekend. We're still in this weekend. Are you okay? Would you like us to call you a doctor?
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evilweasel posted:there are countless sources that refute your idiotic stalinist apoligia but its so dumb its not worth more than just the first wikipedia link for a subject we all know about lysenkoism was corrected and in spite of it the soviet union managed to have the most educated population in the history of the world. cheers
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Crain posted:You know, maybe Pkay has a point. There's a lot more to think about when it comes to Nazi Punching than just "Fist meets Face". Yeah, if you don't know what you are doing you can easily break your hands. There's a reason why everyone has hand wraps under their gloves in boxing and MMA. Before you punch a nazi, practice.
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Party Plane Jones posted:It'd probably be easy because as the thread continues the dude had displayed his driver's permit (not even a license) on social media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bfyS-S-IJs&t=28s KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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pkay posted:they have been here and will continue to be here. Their presence is a constant but their level of influence, organization and aggression is a variable. Your thinking seems like it takes the latter as a constant as well.
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Nazi punching is okay because the number of nazis should be effectively zero at all times in a functional society. It should be a thing that never comes up. If it's a policy that is going to lead to widespread violence that means that there is a widespread infestation of NAZIS at which point a country needs to have a civil war if that is what it takes to end an internal nazi uprising.
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Google Butt posted:Are you for or against counter protesting? Should counter protestors just stay home? I don't understand where this question is coming from, but I want left-wing protests to happen, and not be prempted by right-wing cops who now have authority to arrest people for gathering. Are you a pro-police fascist? Because it kinda sounds like you are.
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Red Baron posted:You should go to as many protests as you can, and you should counter-protest them. You don't need to instigate, these assholes will do it for you, because they're loving NAZIS. This is my opinion. Don't offer them a fight. They don't need it. They'll find one on their own. Be willing to protect yourself now though. Otherwise you'll be like those poor protesters who got maced an beat down by those tiki torch fascists. If you're not willing to protect yourself but still want to peacefully protest knowing you could be assaulted or killed? Well that's a drat brave thing to do. But for the rest of us it's time to gird our loins in response. Be prepared to fight or chill. Don't instigate, but do respond. Except for the talking heads. They could do with more black eyes and less teeth. Words are their weapons and they're using it to attempt to destroy you. They have the right to free speech, but not the freedom from consequences. If someone gets angry enough that they want to punch you despite knowing it could end up with you in jail or with a record then you deal with it. Punch Nazis. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I mean, Elijah Muhammad was basically a father figure to him. It says something about who Malcolm was that he was able to recognize the bullshit eventually (largely due to going on hajj and talking to actual-Muslim nerds, at least as the book tells it). oh i get it and i am glad he finaly did. it's just tragic.
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a foolish pianist posted:I don't understand where this question is coming from, but I want left-wing protests to happen, and not be prempted by right-wing cops who now have authority to arrest people for gathering. Exactly
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Jesus, the tone of this thread since Saturday is frightening. How fast y'all went from a free and open forum to restricting free speech. There is not law you will be able to pass to muzzle any one group, no matter how heinous they are, or are believed to be. It is a slippery slope. For those that have expressed concerns that allowing these views to be aired will recruit more fascists and racists - well. maybe you should take a good look at how they wind up being receptive to such crap. Muzzling speech will not change that. We preserve free speech in this country. If we start conflating the horrible things people or groups say with what they might do, we'll wind up back here, again:  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Rigel posted:Yeah, if you don't know what you are doing you can easily break your hands. There's a reason why everyone has hand wraps under their gloves in boxing and MMA. Before you punch a nazi, practice. Weightlifting gloves are good for punching in a pinch. Strap them up tight, same with your boots - a blown ankle can takes months to regain full mobility, and you can rush through glass, heavy brish, etc, in a pinch or kettle..
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Alter Ego posted:Christ, you could drive a truck through the gap in that guy's teeth. What is it with assholes with lovely opinions and missing teeth? lovely opinions usually come from people with lovely thought processes that make lovely choices like smoking, chawing, drinking, and not brushing.
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So how many deaths will it take until it's ok to punch a Nazi?
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PainterofCrap posted:Jesus, the tone of this thread since Saturday is frightening. I'm gonna punch you.
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Push El Burrito posted:So how many deaths will it take until it's ok to punch a Nazi? We're including everything from the 1930s onwards, right?
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if mccarthism was about ruining the lives of nazis he would be my hero
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The Cheshire Cat posted:If you can afford it, you can also consider donating to groups that are helping to oppose them: http://www.refinery29.com/2017/08/167766/charlottesville-virginia-protest-support I actually have money coming in for once, so I may do that instead of fantasizing about punching the Nazis that I would be too much of a chickenshit to actually punch.
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Time to buy a bullhorn and learn the lyrics to Hava Nagila.
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Hey Johnny come lately and don't read the loving threads. No one is calling for change in laws because we generally agree that it's terrorism plain and simple. We don't need you to come in here with your centrist luke warm takes about how oh no free speech.
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PainterofCrap posted:Jesus, the tone of this thread since Saturday is frightening. Free speech, sure. Armed marches brandishing weapons and attacking innocent counterprotestors, all those things seem like a big NO to me. I mean, maybe there's some abstract argument that can be made for open carry but on the other hand waving a gun at people is not nonviolent, even if you don't actually fire it.
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Shouldn't have to pass a new law to shut down an armed group marching with Nazi symbols and torches. That's not a peaceful gathering.
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PainterofCrap posted:Jesus, the tone of this thread since Saturday is frightening. You should probably consider the fact that this is a VERY American idea and not one that a large portion of the world subscribes to. Even in pretty pro free-speech countries, exceptions are made for hate speech. And of course in Germany they specifically DO have "No Nazi poo poo" laws. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Push El Burrito posted:So how many deaths will it take until it's ok to punch a Nazi? Is there an equation for how many deaths? Is the value of the death variable to the individual's psychical, emotional and mental attributes?
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PainterofCrap posted:Jesus, the tone of this thread since Saturday is frightening. lol, this isn't a witch hunt, rear end in a top hat, they're wearing the loving Swastikas on their sleeve.
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Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. And at least one person has already gotten theirs bashed in.
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Why do I get the feeling we are going to see lots of ground being successfully stood by nazis in the near future
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PainterofCrap posted:Jesus, the tone of this thread since Saturday is frightening. Saturday also happens to be the date of the most prolific Nazi killing of an American in decades. It's not free speech that needs limiting, it's Nazi speech. Everyone has always been very specific about that point. It can be done, as other countries have done it. Nazi/white supremacist rhetoric is an open and obvious threat to anyone who isn't white and it's still pretty menacing to white women. That's not the kind of speech you want to preserve. I'm sorry, I thought this was America.
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R. Guyovich posted:lysenkoism was corrected and in spite of it the soviet union managed to have the most educated population in the history of the world. cheers Your precious loving Soviet Union allied themselves with the OG Nazis to wipe neighboring countries off the map and literally reduce their populations to ashes.
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PainterofCrap posted:
My problem with people who think this is -- there's no way to muzzle speech on the internet. You have to go the /pols and the 4chans and confront them but even that can only go so far. I prefer the Nazis can rally and show their faces. If you can't hear these people you can't silence them. I've also noticed among my lefty friends who choose to ignore fascist or hell just classic conservatism -- they don't do it because they're afraid of confrontation. They ignore them because they can't vocalize their own argument. They know they're right but they don't know why they're right and they can't argue with the rightwingers and their pre-planned talking points.
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Push El Burrito posted:So how many deaths will it take until it's ok to punch a Nazi? Speaking for myself and a few buddies of mine, this weekend pushed us over the line.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Free speech, sure. So, the Black Panther Open Carrying at a protest gets a tut-tut from you? Cause these days, it sounds like carrying around a weapon for self-defence and deterrence at any kind of protest is sounding more and more wise.
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Phyein posted:Why do I get the feeling we are going to see lots of ground being successfully stood by nazis in the near future Maybe it has something to do with people who don't want to acknowledge the nazi and racist problem in the US.
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Nazis came to my home and killed someone that lives with me. gently caress 'em. Hope all the Nazis die horribly.
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No, he personally isn't, this is true. But he's also not denouncing these fuckers and the violence they do. And this leads everyone, including those violent nazi fucks, to believe he supports them because denouncing only takes a few short words which he not only didn't say at the mic, but refused to say as he turned away while reporters asked. And you are a loving poo poo bag for not understanding this.
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