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Durzel posted:You nailed it. Actually king's landing and dragonstone are relatively pretty close but yeah still jarring even to the casual fans i've talked with
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How did they get the Tyrell gold back to King's Landing, I thought all the wagons got burned
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Aug 14, 2017 23:08
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The Walrus posted:the targaryens are the rightful rulers of westeros except for a betrayal of duty tho To make a case for the rebels: They were only rebels because they had each other's backs when the rest of the kingdoms were turning a blind eye to blatant abuses of power. When you think about it, is that really a betrayal? Who were they betraying? Loyalty is a two way street. Aerys demanded loyalty, but he offered only injustice and tyranny in return. They didn't owe him a loving thing.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:14
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So what if everything just ends up like how things started. Dany kills Arya, Gendry starts a rebellion, Tyrion opens the gates to let his armies in. Jorah stabs Dany in the back as she screams "burn everyone."
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Aug 14, 2017 23:15
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The Walrus posted:the targaryens are the rightful rulers of westeros except for a betrayal of duty tho Only because once upon a time a Targaryen did the same thing Dany did and said "bend the knee or die, I have dragons" Before that other people, non-Targs, were the "rightful kings". tooterfish posted:To make a case for the rebels: They were only rebels because they had each other's backs when the rest of the kingdoms were turning a blind eye to blatant abuses of power. When you think about it, is that really a betrayal? Who were they betraying? Loyalty is a two way street. Aerys demanded loyalty, but he offered only injustice and tyranny in return. They didn't owe him a loving thing. Agreed. The Targs betrayed their own duty as kings and lost their right to rule as a result. The Baratheons have a better claim than the Targaryens if we're talking about "rightful ruler". Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Aug 14, 2017 23:17
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PantsBandit posted:I thought it was a little dumb that Jaime insisted that no army could beat the Dothraki. They routed the Lannister army but that was because they got surprised by a loving mythical creature burning up their formation and letting the cavalry get behind them. They have plenty of weaknesses (arguably more than the Westerosi, since they rely so heavily on horse-combat), it's not like Jaime to be so defeatist. I agree completely; their big "thing" is that they don't wear armor and fight with weapons that are ill-suited to fighting against armor. Based on the Jorah v Dothraki stuff, the Dothraki army should be ineffective in Westeros, not loving unstoppable. I can totally buy that they have the numbers and surprise and they're excellent horsemen so they do actually have advantages against the Westerosi armies even without proper armor, but it should be a tradeoff at best. They shouldn't be just gods of warfare for no loving reason.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:19
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:She doesn’t want prisoners that can continue living and hating her and showing everyone else they can just refuse her and go to jail. She wants everyone to follow her. Yeah but isn't forcing people to work/fight for you and killing the ones who refuse basically just slavery? You know, the thing Dany hates so much that she spent a few seasons murdering people for doing it.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:30
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The legitimacy of claims is really more of a post hoc rationalization though, right? At the end of the day the throne belongs to whoever everyone collectively agrees it belongs to. And the biggest stick is usually the dominant factor. I mean, who is the legitimate government of China?
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Aug 14, 2017 23:37
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I question whether Cercei is actually pregnant or just saying she is to manipulate Jaime.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:40
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Scooter_McCabe posted:So what if everything just ends up like how things started. Dany kills Arya, Gendry starts a rebellion, Tyrion opens the gates to let his armies in. Jorah stabs Dany in the back as she screams "burn everyone." So you're going for the "Lost" version of endings; most unsatisfying thing that could possibly happen. They seem to be trying so desperately to tie up every loose end and I wish they would just let some of them go. Right now, there is no point for anyone to ever set foot on a ship ever again; so Euron, Theon and the Greyjoys are totally irrelevant and I hope they just let them go. The Sand Snake in the dungeon and her mom are useless so just let them go or, an alternative, give Bronn a five minute farewell scene to break them out and head south never to be heard from again, otherwise just let Bronn go. Littlefinger has served his purpose and is an annoyance at this point, let Arya cut his throat in the first scene next week and just let him go. fruit on the bottom posted:The legitimacy of claims is really more of a post hoc rationalization though, right? At the end of the day the throne belongs to whoever everyone collectively agrees it belongs to. And the biggest stick is usually the dominant factor. That's kind of been Dany's whole character arc for the entire show. She's never been the legitimate heir to anything. Every kingdom and people she rules have willingly given her their loyalty. vvvv what's Vary's riddle? radical meme fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Aug 14, 2017 23:43
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fruit on the bottom posted:The legitimacy of claims is really more of a post hoc rationalization though, right? At the end of the day the throne belongs to whoever everyone collectively agrees it belongs to. And the biggest stick is usually the dominant factor. This has always been one of the points of the show (and the books for that matter). Hence Varys' riddle.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:45
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esperterra posted:Qyburn kept visiting her for checkups iirc, I think there were some conversations about her moon's blood and moon tea. There was also a conversation between the queen of thorns and Tywin Lannister, that wouldn't have stuck in my mind but for all of the tribute videos including the burn. She said "Cersei is" he listed off her qualities and she went "old" and then explained that as her menopause was due she wouldn't be a great choice for her grandson.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:49
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radical meme posted:vvvv what's Vary's riddle? Where does power lie? There's a sellsword, a rich merchant, a priest and a king. They all order the sellsword to kill the others and protect themselves. Where does power lie? Money? God? Authority? Or Might itself? Wherever you think it does The swordsman has the only real power (sword), but of the three, he's the 'lowest'. Its a great thought experiment.
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Aug 14, 2017 23:59
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radical meme posted:vvvv what's Vary's riddle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpL6Fwu0wkw
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Aug 14, 2017 23:59
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Centzon Totochtin posted:How did they get the Tyrell gold back to King's Landing, I thought all the wagons got burned They had an elf spin it into hay so it could travel faster then the wagons loaded with hay then he spun it back to gold.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:00
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Zaphod42 posted:Where does power lie? It kind of reminds me of Planescape: Torment. Throughout that game there's a lingering question about "what can change the nature of a man"? Is it love? Fear? Greed? Etc. While it never comes out and says that there's a right answer, the one the narrative seems to support as the one with the most truth behind it is very similar to answer for Varys's riddle.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:11
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I wish we still got scenes like this.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:13
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Centzon Totochtin posted:How did they get the Tyrell gold back to King's Landing, I thought all the wagons got burned Please don't troll.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:13
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Was the Waif in one of the wagons?
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Aug 15, 2017 00:18
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The whole episode was stupid, but some people enjoyed it, and I like that. Gendry was completely out of the blue. Hero squad is dumb has hell. Dragging a zombie to a urban area will not byte them back ... or a random guard. No sir.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:25
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I feel like I need to really pay attention to who is never in the same room as Arya from here on out, since I'm fairly sure she's going to one-up Littlefinger by stealing a face.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:31
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The only satisfying death for Littlefinger I can think of is him overplaying his hand, and finally miscalculating in a really fatal way. His entire MO has been assuming the worst, most selfish motivations for people, and generally being correct. It'd make sense to me if his final error is operating under that same assumption with the Starks, and catastrophically underestimating who they are or how they think. He's trying to alienate Arya from Sansa with the scroll she wrote under duress, and trying to sow distrust between Sansa and Jon...the best reversal I can think of is Sansa being savvy enough to realize it, but also decent enough to reject it. Communicating with her family, assuming the best of her allies instead of the worst, etc. It's gotta be Sansa who destroys him, though...he keeps assuming that at her core, she's as amoral and manipulative as he is. It'd be poetic if that misread is what does him in. Not just that she's smarter than him, but that she's better than him. Ocean's 11 team-up prediction: Thoros dies to raise stakes, since he can no longer rez anyone. Then Gendry dies, but Beric invokes the LoL to trade his life for Gendry's to make amends for selling him out. (Which would also reference how Lady Stoneheart came back in the books.) Also Jorah dies. Jorah is clearly going to die, right?
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Aug 15, 2017 00:34
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Xealot posted:
Plus, it would be poetic justice since Sansa reminds him of Catelyn and Littlefinger actually has a romantic attraction to her.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:01
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it would be super funny if they brought Gendry back just to get killed next episode but it better not happen because I really like the guy who plays him (he was fuckin' hilarious in seasons 1-2 of Skins) better be tons of shots of him going to hammertown on some zeds Also goddamn Davos is the best character on the entire show.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:06
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Tei posted:Dragging a zombie to a urban area will not byte them back ... or a random guard. No sir. Doesn't the Night King need to raise the dead into zombies? Once raised, do they follow traditional "You get bit, you turn" rules? Sure, the zombie is going to cause trouble but will it start new zombie horde?
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Aug 15, 2017 01:07
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precision posted:Also goddamn Davos is the best character on the entire show. Don't kill davos please 
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Aug 15, 2017 01:09
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I suspect Davos is going to live because someone needs to kill the red witch, and I don't think she's going to be able to walk away scot free like she seems to have done.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:11
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Hold up you guys "You would burn the world to sit on a throne of ash" There is now someone in a position to literally burn Westeros to the ground.  I know it won't happen but I would be very happy with Gendry becoming King, with Tyrion/Varys as Hand. Some cultures believe that the best person to make a leader is the one who wants it the least. Jon's mouth says he doesn't want to be a king or a ruler but his actions clearly say otherwise.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:18
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Gendry is the obvious choice, hey who should get this child? Let the hammer decide!
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Aug 15, 2017 01:23
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My list of seal team 7 in order of 'i dont care if they die' to ' this would be a bummer if they died' Beric Jorah Thoros Jon Tormund Gendry Hound
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Aug 15, 2017 01:42
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I'm not sure why they brought Gendry back at all, outside of more or less fan service, but I'm ok with it because I am a fan. If their intention is to pair him off with Arya, that'd be cheesy but would make sense. Firstly, because he's as resentful as she is of court life and social status, so actually they're a good match. But also, it'd be a nice way to reconcile Robert Baratheon's story with everything else going on. Arya's exactly like Lyanna, and Robert's failure to marry her essentially destroyed his life and his dynasty (he'd never have married Cersei, he'd probably not have become a fat, whoring drunk, and his "son" wouldn't have been anything like Joffrey.) Now, Gendry is the son he should've had, carrying on his legacy as a stag-hammer'ed crusher of heads, who might wind up with the girl his father never could. Which only makes sense if he's legitimized. But whatever, sure, he's also on a team with Jon, Tormund, Jorah, and the Hound, so fanfic is coming true left and right.
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[Heroes return from beyond the wall with a zombie] Jon: We're back! And we have a member of the army of the dead to show Cersei that these things are real! Northern Lords: Cool Davos: We also have some help, these Brotherhood guys and uh Clovis Clovis (Gendry): Arya! Hello! Arya: Uh hello who are you Clovis (Gendry): It's me, Gendry! Arya:  Clovis (Gendry): Something's not right here, no, not at all Arya: Fine, whatever, I'm an assassin waif Clovis (Gendry): Whatever
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Xealot posted:The only satisfying death for Littlefinger I can think of is him overplaying his hand, and finally miscalculating in a really fatal way. His entire MO has been assuming the worst, most selfish motivations for people, and generally being correct. It'd make sense to me if his final error is operating under that same assumption with the Starks, and catastrophically underestimating who they are or how they think. He's trying to alienate Arya from Sansa with the scroll she wrote under duress, and trying to sow distrust between Sansa and Jon...the best reversal I can think of is Sansa being savvy enough to realize it, but also decent enough to reject it. Communicating with her family, assuming the best of her allies instead of the worst, etc. Yeah I'm expecting both Littlefinger and eventually Cersei's deaths to come at the hands of the people they think they're manipulating. So like Littlefinger will start talking poo poo about Arya and maybe Bran to Sansa and then curtain pull, both of them are also in the room with them. Cersei will try and attack Jon and Dany either when they're establishing the alliance with the zombie proof or when they think they've won against the dead and everyone will just be like "yeah we assumed you'd be betraying us right about now" and you get a reverse of the Red Wedding crossbow barrage scene.
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re: Gendry Them shoehorning him back in may have to do with whatever outline GRRM gave them years ago, as he still has more relevant ties to the plot in the books and most recently saved Brienne's life. I always assumed Arya will encounter him when she returns to Westeros, as well. It's awkward af bringing him back this way, though, after not having seen him since Stannis was on Dragonstone. But I'm glad he's back at any rate. We're running low on good actors.
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The thing about Gendry is that the North now has someone with a claim to the Iron Throne. That could come up later if they have to go against Daenerys or she dies or something.
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Aug 15, 2017 02:22
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The thing about Gendry is that the North now has someone with a claim to the Iron Throne. That could come up later if they have to go against Daenerys or she dies or something. They already have Jon who has the strongest claim of them all.
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Aug 15, 2017 02:26
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Considering that, as the oldest living Targaryen male, Jon's true heritage basically removes Danaerys' entire claim to the throne, you're not quite wrong. I wonder if she'll play a game of marry, kill, or BEND THE KNEE upon finding out.
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The Bee posted:Considering that, as the oldest living Targaryen male, Jon's true heritage basically removes Danaerys' entire claim to the throne, you're not quite wrong. They'll get married the instant Jon rides a dragon.
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hobbesmaster posted:They'll get married the instant Jon rides a dragon. Bring that printer over here we need to mail out some announcements.
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It just dawned on me that the whole "bring a wight to King's Landing to prove the dead army is real" is absolutely dead on arrival. All Cercei has to say is, "This proves nothing. I've got a dead guy standing right there," as she looks at Zombie Mountain. Qyburn rezzing the Mountain casts doubt on any kind of magical shenanigans regarding White Walkers or wights, even though it's a matter of fact they exist. If Cercei is a skeptic to begin with, nothing less than a White Walker would convince her. The burden of proof is too great. Only if Qyburn admits he used magic or admits that he can't duplicate it would it hold any water and I don't see him sticking out his neck for anybody at this point.
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