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I was a Civil War reenactor for a few years between being 14 and 18. I was part of an actual company, with ranks (that were democratically voted for), drill, etc since we wanted to be an accurate and authentic unit to represent what confederate soldiers were like. We were all city or suburbanites, largely democrat and overall were just big history nerds. I did it because my good friend was in the unit and it was the most affordable side to portray. Go camping, shoot some rifles, play war, cook out and party? Hell yes! What I hated the most though were the white trash pieces of poo poo spectators that would walk through our camps during "public" hours. We were basically told to do living history - cleaning our equipment, drills, cooking, playing cards/games. Drill was the one time we wouldn't be bothered by shitheel spectators because during the other times it was always chatter about how "the south will rise again" and "it's bullshit that the south lost". Hated it. People assumed I wanted slaves or believed in white supremacy, so while I'm in camp cleaning my equipment, I'd get some rear end in a top hat trying to get me to come to rallies and meetings. After I went off to college I decided to not do reenactments for a long time, and eventually just stopped caring. I've seen a few WW2 reenactments and I'm tempted to ask the German reenactors how many times they get approached by neo Nazi fuckwits. I'm sure they do.
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JohnCompany posted:Not sure if I prefer this or "Can't build the wall/Hands too small." More wit than Styrofoam man merits. The Glumslinger posted:Tomorrow? Maybe We just went from nuclear standoff to nazi rallies, and we haven't even TOUCHED hurricanes or the debt standoff. You think there are brakes on this thing?
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The Glumslinger posted:And they hosed up so badly, that democrats had 60 seats by 2008 Right but the GOP and their voters haven't gone anywhere.
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Propaganda Hour posted:From a few pages ago, but I like to bring up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation because what we have now is take two* on this whole country attempt. AoC was the dumbest loving idea and our federal government constitution is a response to that abject failure. The Articles of Confederation were so bad that they still affect us today. They're the source of the Sovereign Citizens movement in the US.
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I think "gently caress you!" Or maybe "gently caress you, oval office!" are the most authentic New York chants to do.
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Ringo Star Get posted:I've seen a few WW2 reenactments and I'm tempted to ask the German reenactors how many times they get approached by neo Nazi fuckwits. I'm sure they do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiLVAz-Jczg
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Propaganda Hour posted:From a few pages ago, but I like to bring up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation because what we have now is take two* on this whole country attempt. AoC was the dumbest loving idea and our federal government constitution is a response to that abject failure. Hell, they tried to write the constitution a year prior and only 5 states showed up. I listened to an interesting podcast last week where the historian was talking about how they tried it again the next year because Shays' rebellion made some of them scared that the states were too democratic and reactive to people's needs.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:22
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The public is not as opposed to nuclear first strike as we are. Your daily reminder the America is full of sociopaths.
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Yesssss https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/897241622349582336
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Covok posted:
We battle entropy itself, in this view we struggle against forces that our enemies fail to fathom. As one person put it earlier, they will cry fruitlessly about being maced, when the death of one of ours only pisses us off.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:23
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there is a perfectly good compromise for stone mountain: add outkast http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/16/us/georgia-stone-mountain-outkast-confederate-monument/index.html
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I'm fine with Mt Rushmore being torn down simply because it's in a dumb spot. South Dakota.
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Propaganda Hour posted:I'm fine with Mt Rushmore being torn down simply because it's in a dumb spot. Actually I think putting it in a Native American tribe's sacred land (the Black Hills) was the bigger dick move. Just a reminder to everyone: donate to the Crazy Horse monument since they will not accept any government funds.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:28
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https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/897252286988247040 It might be hard to unbend
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This is the cum in my shoes guy
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Ringo Star Get posted:I was a Civil War reenactor for a few years between being 14 and 18. I was part of an actual company, with ranks (that were democratically voted for), drill, etc since we wanted to be an accurate and authentic unit to represent what confederate soldiers were like. We were all city or suburbanites, largely democrat and overall were just big history nerds. I did it because my good friend was in the unit and it was the most affordable side to portray. Go camping, shoot some rifles, play war, cook out and party? Hell yes! While I was in the military, I had a roommate from Boston who was heavy into WWII reenacting. He had a full Luftwaffe Colonel Doctor's uniform, about 7 or 8 different Iron Crosses, and an almost fully accurate S.S. Hitler Youth private uniform. It was actually pretty interesting stuff when he talked about it. The first night we went out to a bar in town, I ended up flirting with a black girl. (I'm the textbook definition of pale faced whitey.) He decided to inform me on the way home that he could never date a black girl and become indignant when I gave him a wary look about it. Yeah, we ended up not parting on good terms.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/897252286988247040 If we left the statue like that, I think that's an acceptable compromise between the ideals of remembering our shame and removing icons of monsters.
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Mahoning posted:All Confederate statues in the state of Georgia should be replaced with statues of William Tecumseh Sherman. Or don't erect statues of another guy who contributed to destroying native people? 
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mango sentinel posted:This is the cum in my shoes guy 
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business hammocks posted:I think "gently caress you!" Or maybe "gently caress you, oval office!" are the most authentic New York chants to do. "gently caress YOU, pal!"
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Mahoning posted:Actually I think putting it in a Native American tribe's sacred land (the Black Hills) was the bigger dick move. I see my joke has failed 
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Mahoning posted:Actually I think putting it in a Native American tribe's sacred land (the Black Hills) was the bigger dick move. Destroying a mountain for a sculpture is a dick move because the land is sacred. So y'all should donate to destroy an even bigger mountain?  I do not understand the reasoning here.
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Vice posted video of Charlottesville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I
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alpha_destroy posted:Destroying a mountain for a sculpture is a dick move because the land is sacred. So y'all should donate to destroy an even bigger mountain? Because Crazy Horse was commissioned by a Lakota elder probably.
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alpha_destroy posted:Destroying a mountain for a sculpture is a dick move because the land is sacred. So y'all should donate to destroy an even bigger mountain? I think it's more so about carving the faces of people responsible for the genocide of native peoples into a sacred native mountain, not the destruction of the mountain itself.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/897252286988247040 Gonna take an unpopular opinion here but that's probably the least offensive civil war statue ever
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Now that is a bit of Southern Heritage worth honoring.
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alpha_destroy posted:Destroying a mountain for a sculpture is a dick move because the land is sacred. So y'all should donate to destroy an even bigger mountain? There's not much to explain. Putting monuments of your leaders on the land you stole from your enemies is an insult on par with pissing on graves. It's not really about whether or not the land is sacred.
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otoh its also not a very attractive statue, i like equestrian style myself
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/897252286988247040 So much for the fault tolerant left foot.
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*scribbling in a notebook* Yes, go on, which other ones do you not want them to deface?
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Starting to seem like this council won't exist by the end of the week. https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/897286565399015424
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This video has been hinted at, but I'm linking the full video because holy poo poo everyone needs to watch this now, probably a couple times. Before the US Department of Defense, we had the war department, and they produced a video to warn future generations of American citizens about the dangers of fascist populism. 69 years later, this message is now needed, and its really not all that dated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk
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Phoix posted:Starting to seem like this council won't exist by the end of the week. If they're afraid Trump might rage tweet them they should all resign so instead of Trump going at them one-by-one like the first guy he just skips right to the part where he pretends the council never existed in the first place.
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At the very least those last two so we can give them back to the native people who they rightfully belong to. Inshallah.
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Trabisnikof posted:Because Crazy Horse was commissioned by a Lakota elder probably. Mahoning posted:I think it's more so about carving the faces of people responsible for the genocide of native peoples into a sacred native mountain, not the destruction of the mountain itself. BlueberryCanary posted:There's not much to explain. Putting monuments of your leaders on the land you stole from your enemies is an insult on par with pissing on graves. It's not really about whether or not the land is sacred. Sure, a huge part of the problem with Mount Rushmore are the specifics as you all point out. And I am far from an expert on the issue. All I know is that I have heard my Native American colleague complain about this Crazy Horse project several times. And maybe they're the minority among Native Americans, like I said, I am no expert. We can all agree gently caress Mount Rushmore. I'm just wary of the solution to Mount Rushmore being a larger carving even if it is someone more deserving. Are the Lakota people in general in favor of the project? Is there polling on that?
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Seeing people spontaneously solving problems by pulling that statue down made me think of Fred Hampton. Before the police murdered him he would speak about racism being fought with solidarity, and to see that in action is exciting and hopeful. I hope it encourages people to see how much they can do without needing some goddamn politician to lead them around by the nose and tell them to wait wait wait while they trade horses with other goddamn politicians.quote:"We in the Black Panther Party, because of our dedication and understanding, went into the valley knowing that the people are in the valley, knowing that our plight is the same plight as the people in the valley, knowing that our enemies are on the mountain, so our friends are in the valley, and even though its nice to be on the mountaintop, we're going back to the valley. Because we understand that there's work to be done in the valley, and when we get through with this work in the valley, then we got to go to the mountaintop. We're going to the mountaintop because there's a motherfucker on the mountaintop that's playing King, and he's been bullshitting us. And we've got to go up on the mountain top not for the purpose of living his life style and living like he lives. We've got to go up on the mountain top to make this motherfucker understand, goddamnit, that we are coming from the valley!"
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Phoix posted:Starting to seem like this council won't exist by the end of the week. I know we are a long from done, but seeing time and time again parts of his plan failing is great.
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After being called a Nazi today (yeah I know  )I truly needed some of the things in this thread... three ceos saying you are on your own douchebag is the icing on the cake. 
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Mystic Mongol posted:Great Man History is awful. Lincoln certainly wasn't the most dedicated person against slavery of his time, nor the least racist, nor was he certainly the sole or even the primary reason slavery was eventually abolished. He had some really lovely ideas well into his presidency (see Colonization). He was certainly not a saint beyond criticism. He was able to be elected President with a platform opposing the spread of slavery. You can make the argument that the election of 1860 would be an easy one to win given that the Democratic Party split itself in two, but Lincoln was able to win "moderate" states (NJ, Penn, Ohio, Indiana) that sealed the deal. He was elected President at a time when slavery was enshrined in the Constitution. Congress could NOT prohibit slavery in a state. Then there was the Supreme Court. Dred Scott ruled that Blacks were not, could not be citizens. It was always Lincoln's stance that he detested slavery, but it was protected by the Constitution. His actions both before and after being elected Executive were consistent with a person who hated slavery yet acknowledged that it was protected by the Constitution. As a legislator, he voted against slavery in DC (as it wasn't a state, slavery wasn't protected in the constitution). He took a vote against the Mexican War, claiming it was a land grab by the Southern states to spread slavery. As a candidate (and in office) he would not budge from his stance of restricting the spread of slavery, which he could legally do. As President, he felt that freeing all the slaves unequivocally would be unconstitutional and a vast overreach of executive power. Remember, while he won big in the electoral college, he only received 40% of the popular vote, and didn't get any votes at all in some Southern states. Imagine if Obama had unilaterally banned all guns after Sandy Hook, or Bush II had suspended the First Amendment after 9/11. I'm sure some people would consider those acts justified at the time, but certainly not the majority. Instead, Lincoln did what he could do legally: push for states to outlaw slavery themselves. If this meant buying them, offer to buy them. The money was worth ending the practice. Push to change public opinion when possible. You mentioned Stowe above, but Lincoln's public letters in '63 were aimed at changing public opinion towards emancipation (remember that he had already shown his cabinet his draft proclamation as he wrote to Greeley, to Conkley). Invite African-American leaders to the White House and listen to their views (he tabled pushing for colonization after such a meeting). Learn from his constituents, his experience, the trials of the country and the office. Eventually he convinced himself that issuing the Emancipation Proclamation was legal as a war power. He then worked to protect the rights of the Freemen, pushing for the 13th Amendment to remove the cancer from the Constitution, generally supporting the Radical Republican's with their expansion of African-American rights, nominating Chase for Chief Justice despite their personal issues because he knew that he would protect those rights. In the end, he was killed because he announced he would support (at least limited) Black suffrage. I agree that any history saying "Lincoln was elected, he eradicated slavery, bing-bong so simple" is ludicrous. But there was no one who could have done that, no matter what their personal convictions. Even without pushing for emancipation the South didn't give him a chance and seceded before he took the oath of office. I'd argue that he was better than average for his time when it came to rights, but there certainly were people with more progressive views on race and equality. But to say that quote:Abraham Lincoln did a great job clutching his pearls but only truly ended slavery when it became clear that if the south rejoined the union with slavery intact the north would probably be the next to secede There were many heroes that fought against slavery, and Lincoln shouldn't diminish their standing or efforts. He wasn't the best man of the time on the issue. He did some terrible things, as all Presidents have done. But you can't dismiss Lincoln's accomplishments in getting elected, keeping the Union together, learning from the trials and rising to the occasion.
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